I think Surgeon is very on topic. I don't have a problem with it. I'm a major culprit for offtopicness but I think it's hard (and unhelpful) to isolate Detroit music. I am not a huge fan but I respect Surgeon - and I could be wrong in my views. I've probably danced to his records. It's good when people express different views as you learn something from it. Hey, anyone see Prince in Oz, how amazing was it? The soundcheck was off the hook. Prince is now a very devout Jehovah's Witness so he has modified his lyrics and is not performing some songs but it just goes to show how he does not need the sexual persona to be charismatic. He performed an incredible version of Sign Of The Times, much looser in arrangement, jazzier, and Controversy and Alphabet Street, which I think is due for a comeback. It was just stunning. Since I am on off topics but on topic, I read Carl Craig is a Lutheran, he was talking about not having been exposed to gospel when younger. Is there a Black Lutheran church? I looked at 'Detroit Lutheran Church' on the Web and couldn't find much. Or is it a mixed congregation in the Detroit Lutheran Church (es)? Does anyone know much about the US Lutheran church at all? I had assumed it's small in the US and confined to people of Scandinavian, Teutonic or Slavic origin. I would expect it to be bigger somewhere like Minneapolis. I know one of the Geto Boys was Lutheran and that would be the South. I've always been fascinated by the cultural role of the Church in the US, and the rise of the Black church, so if anyone can shed light I'd be interested. Maybe best to send me stuff offlist. ;)
---------- >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:35 PM > > As someone new to this list, its interesting to see people discuss these > matters about Surgeon, and what is and isn't on-topic! > > As far as I can see from the tracklist, though I can't listen to it yet- > there's a lot of 313 stuff and music that I consider closely related to > 'Detroit Techno' in there, at the very least these tracks: > > Dave Angel - Airborne (Carl Craig Drums Suck mix) > Inner City - Buena Vida (Carl Craig mix) - KMS > Kraftwerk - Tour De France - EMI > Carl Craig - Tres Demented - Planet E > Model 500 - No UFO's (D mix) - Metroplex > Underground Resistance - Amazon - UR > > so as for > > "basically no. > and based on the mix posted the other day, its not 313 related" it just > seems a strange comment to make based on some of the content of Surgeons > mix? > > Anyhow, If I'm going to comment on this, I guess its only fair I should at > least offer my opinion. I think there's a lot of music out there that is > related to Detroit Techno- whether its the 80s Italian artists recently > discussed as inspiring the whole thing, or artists not strictly making > 'techno' but still making quality electronic music derived from the city or > retaining the innovative attitude.. people such as Amp Fiddler for example.. > I think all these people are fair game. (but hey, I don't make the rules!) > > as for surgeon, i think his music and DJing is getting more interesting all > the time, and I'm very much looking forward to seeing him play in Manc > tomorrow night. If I get a chance to chat, I'll mention to him that he has > inspired much debate on our humble forum! Personally, I think it makes > sense to consider him as relevant to this forum, though not the 'most' > relevant of artists.. > > As a final thing, I'd say we're all 313 at heart, music is just something > that is very hard to pin down and what I see as Detroit, someone else > won't.. don't let the geekiness get in the way of the music! > > kev > <<WILD LOOPS>> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Odeluga, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Placid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:11 AM > Subject: RE: (313) Does the Surgeon.. > > >> >really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings >> >> Basically yes. >> >> Surgeon makes electronic dance music in the same vein of many widely >> reknowned producers from Detroit and beyond. In the same way that I don't >> particulary like a lot of what Richie Hawtin does but accept that as a >> subject, it's on-topic, I feel that Surgeon is on-topic too. But I happen > to >> like everything I've heard produced by Surgeon btw! >> >> k >
