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From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "313 Detroit" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon..


> Since I am on off topics but on topic, I read Carl Craig is a Lutheran, he
> was talking about not having been exposed to gospel when younger. Is there
a
> Black Lutheran church?
> I looked at 'Detroit Lutheran Church' on the Web and couldn't find much.
Or
> is it a mixed congregation in the Detroit Lutheran Church (es)?
> Does anyone know much about the US Lutheran church at all? I had assumed
> it's small in the US and confined to people of Scandinavian, Teutonic or
> Slavic origin. I would expect it to be bigger somewhere like Minneapolis.
> I know one of the Geto Boys was Lutheran and that would be the South.
> I've always been fascinated by the cultural role of the Church in the US,
> and the rise of the Black church, so if anyone can shed light I'd be
> interested.


I think this is really topical actually, especially when you look at TP's
transformation. The Lutheran church in the states is not very racialized,
like the Baptist church, for instance - but the Lutheran church is quite
large and generally has an appeal for those who might question other aspects
of society, while looking for a metaphysical solution with a group behind
it. It's one of the most inclusive sects that I've dealt with. For instance,
I was never Lutheran, but I sang in a Lutheran choir when I was a kid - went
to church with Lutherans, etc. From the outside, I think it's looked at as
quite an innocuous religious choice, in my experience anyway.

 There are tons of examples of the influence on techno and house, and I
totally agree that it is fascinating, and a very interesting issue for
discussion. It typically gets lumped into agree/disagree mode, which I think
is quite small minded. I'm not religious in any way, but I love the effect
that passionate involvement in religion has on music for everyone. As a
listener, I don't really care what someone is passionate about, as long as
it transfers into their expression. Obviously, I still invoke my own
political views, but religion can be deeply personal, and I think it serves
some people very well - just as it harms others.

Tristan
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