hey that's a good idea, I've got both records but have never tried them together.
there's an excellent Terence Fixmer rmx of "Let Your Body Learn" on the flip of that Novamute record, plus I've got another N. Ebb 12" on Novamute with a Derrick May remix of "Shame"...
- jobot
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:04 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh? > Actually, there is a wicked remix of "control i'm here" on> novamute, by
> the Hacker, and it has the wicked vocals, and the original synth
> cut, but
> updated kick and improved bassline. Fun to play with that and the
> original...
>
> dense
>
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > GET THIS!
> >
> >
> >
> > - jobot
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:45 pm
> >
> > Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
> >
> > > I don't see Front 242 as being all that more obscure than Nitzer
> > > Ebb. John
> > > Acquaviva used to loop the bass line from Headhunter and play it
> > > for 20
> > > minutes underneath his unfortunately more progressive fare.
> > >
> > > Adn yeah- making fun of Join in the Chant is easy. Its a silly
> > > song. It
> > > was silly when I first head it in highschool (and i was NOt an
> > > industrialfan in highschool), but Control I'm Here is the jam, as
> > > is pretty much
> > > everything on Belief. Much more subtle and growling (as
> opposed to
> > > shouting)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider that
> > > to be good
> > > > >thing then?
> > > >
> > > > Yes - very much so. It's good to hear someone is playing
> > > something from
> > > > that era besides Nitzer Ebb
> > > > they along with several other groups had a more consistent,
> > > longer, and
> > > > less one-dimensional career
> > > >
> > > > >Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the
> > > 'big names'
> > > > >of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't
> > > have to like
> > > > >thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age'
> > > sound like a
> > > > >pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or
> > > 'Showtime' and u
> > > > >wil hear a different band.
> > > >
> > > > I don't like 'That Total Age' but it does seem to be the only
> > > one that gets
> > > > played in techno sets.
> > > > I'd love to hear tunes off of their other records within techno
> > > sets - but
> > > > it doens't happen.
> > > >
> > > > it's always either 'Join in the Chant' or 'Let Your Body Learn'
> > > that I hear
> > > >
> > > > and yes, I do think they are crap tunes - explain to me what
> > > this is about
> > > > beyond vague sloganeering.
> > > > If they were trying to mock fascists then Laibach beat them to
> > > it except
> > > > Laibach has a much better and more fleshed out idea and message.
> > > > If they were trying to be angry but danceable then Front 242 has
> > > them beat
> > > > there.
> > > > I've never been a fan of bands/artists that have really vague
> > > yet anthemic
> > > > tunes - especially those that have big chanting sing-along type
> > > lyrics> lots of rage (or feigned rage) but what is the target or
> > > cause? There's
> > > > just nothing there. I just want them to light a joint and calm
> > > the f*ck
> > > > down - maybe think of something interesting to say while still
> > > making me
> > > > dance. However the lyrics in these two tunes are about as
> > > interesting as
> > > > Madonna's.
> > > >
> > > > I read a Amazon customer review that pretty much sums up
> > > Nitzer's entire
> > > > first album:
> > > >
> > > > >>NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down a
> > > pummeling beat,
> > > > shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hooks
> > > on top
> > > >
> > > > look at these lyrics:
> > > >
> > > > lies, lies, lies, lies
> > > > gold, gold, gold, gold
> > > > guns, guns, guns, guns
> > > > fire, fire, fire
> > > >
> > > > gold, gold, gold, gold
> > > > judge, judge, judge, judge
> > > > guns, guns, guns, guns
> > > > fire, fire, fire
> > > >
> > > > muscle and hate
> > > > muscle and hate
> > > > muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle
> > > >
> > > > lies, lies, lies, lies
> > > > books, books, books, books
> > > > burn, burn, burn, burn
> > > > fire, fire, fire
> > > >
> > > > judge, judge, judge, judge
> > > > gold, gold, gold, gold
> > > > guns, guns, guns, guns
> > > > fire, fire, fire
> > > >
> > > > muscle and hate
> > > > muscle and hate
> > > > muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle
> > > >
> > > > join in the chant
> > > > join in the chant
> > > > join in the chant
> > > > join in the chant
> > > > muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle
> > > >
> > > > lies, lies, lies, lies
> > > > books, books, books, books
> > > > burn, burn, burn, burn
> > > > fire, fire, fire
> > > >
> > > > guns, guns, guns, guns
> > > > gold, gold, gold, gold
> > > > judge, judge, judge, judge
> > > > fire, fire, fire
> > > >
> > > > muscle and hate
> > > > muscle and hate
> > > > muscle, muscle
> > > > muscle and hate
> > > > muscle and hate
> > > >
> > > > force is machine
> > > > force is machine
> > > > force is machine
> > > > join in the chant
> > > > force is machine
> > > > join in the chant
> > > > muscle, muscle
> > > >
> > > > lies, lies, lies, lies
> > > > books, books, books, books
> > > > burn, burn, burn, burn
> > > > fire, fire, fire
> > > >
> > > > judge, judge, judge, judge
> > > > gold, gold, gold, gold
> > > > guns, guns, guns, guns
> > > > fire, fire, fire
> > > >
> > > > muscle and hate
> > > > muscle and hate
> > > > muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle
> > > >
> > > > force is machine
> > > > force is machine
> > > > join in the chant
> > > > force is machine
> > > > join in the chant
> > > > join in the chant
> > > > join in the chant
> > > > join in the chant (muscle)
> > > > muscle, muscle, muscle
> > > >
> > > > fire, fire, fire
> > > >
> > > > join in the chant
> > > > ____________
> > > >
> > > > yeah, whatever.
> > > >
> > > > MEK
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Martijn de Blaauw"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > chline.biz> cc:
> > > [email protected]>
> > > Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
> > > > 06/22/04 01:48 AM
> > > > Please respond to
> > > > martijn.de.blaauw
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Crap? don't think u can call their tunes crap...they where one
> > > of the very
> > > > few electronical bands to come out of the UK and have a some
> > > reputation or
> > > > respect within in the Electronic/EBM scene from back in the
> days.> > >
> > > > Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the
> > > 'big names'
> > > > of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't
> > > have to like
> > > > thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age'
> > > sound like a
> > > > pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or
> > > 'Showtime' and u
> > > > wil hear a different band.
> > > >
> > > > Futhermore i think that their titles and lyrics really go
> well with
> > > > techno..'let your body learn', 'join in the chant',
> 'murderous' and
> > > > 'Control i'm here' just fit well with hard looped techno:-)
> > > >
> > > > Hawtin, Surgeon and the rest just might feel that these song are
> > > classics> and they grew up with it as being their early contact
> > > with electronic
> > > > music and this is their way of paying respect.
> > > >
> > > > Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider
> that to
> > > be good
> > > > thing then? i do....great tunes were made back in those days,
> > > they deserve
> > > > to be played out again
> > > >
> > > > And yes, Douglas Mcarthy, the former shouter of Nitzer Ebb has
> > > made a
> > > > great, very great album with Terence Fixmer called 'between the
> > > devil..'> and this mix between oldschool EBM, his vocals and 2004
> > > techno really my
> > > > stereo at the moment...Highly Recommended!
> > > >
> > > > just my 50 cents on this sunny morning..
> > > >
> > > > Martijn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What's with their sudden popularity again?
> > > > > Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his "Decks,
> > > efx&909"> > mix?
> > > > >
> > > > > They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm
> concerned.> > > > They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were
> rudimentary, and
> > > their debut
> > > > > album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same
> > > elementary themes
> > > > > over and over.
> > > > >
> > > > > There were at least a handful of artists that were better:
> > > > > Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper)
> > > > > Front 242
> > > > > Front Line Assembly
> > > > > Foetus
> > > > > Depeche Mode
> > > > > SPK
> > > > > Test Dept.
> > > > > Throbbing Gristle
> > > > > Cabaret Voltaire
> > > > > 23 Skidoo
> > > > > A Certain Ratio
> > > > >
> > > > > and on and on.....
> > > > >
> > > > > each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do
> > > but they
> > > > all
> > > > > did it better
> > > > > and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage
> boy band.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I hear that line "Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire
> > > etc." anymore
> > > > > I'm going to lose it.
> > > > > It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap
> > > tune now.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and
> > > why do they
> > > > > end up in so many techno sets nowadays?
> > > > >
> > > > > MEK
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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