but it gets simpler than that. it's basic audio theory. a sample can have
unique qualities (as it can be chopped, reversed, etc -- you have the ability
to deconstruct and alter envelopes that is impossible with "real" playing --
it's a recording) that can not be performed by any other instrument. it's not
necessarily an imitation or substitution for the real playing being sampled,
the sample is the thing itself. thus a sampler is an instrument in it's own
right. doesn't really matter if you can recognize a sample or not. i think it
was more appropriate when courts decided how (in)appropraitely one work borrows
directly from another via samples. art is subjective afterall.
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To: "J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
well said, J.T. I knew somebody else on the list would voice my opinion before
I got a chance.
The granularity in today's music production software such as Ableton and
Cubase, coupled with both software and outboard hardware effects and
processing, can easily alter a short sample of a song far beyond the point of
recognition to the producer of the original work. In my opinion it's really no
different than using a synthesizer as a sound creation source -- instead of
starting with a sound from a produced work, you're using an oscillator or a
preset designed by a Korg or Waldorf engineer as a starting point. Producers
-- whether using samples as a foundation or not -- are limited only by their
imagination and production skills. I suspect most good producers use a
combination of these approaches - and I would bet that all of us have music in
our collections that is "sample-based" but disguised so well we're not even
aware of it, even if we are familiar with the original work.
- jobot
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From: "J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 9, 2004 2:45 am
Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
> this is like a right-wing fundamentalist approach to music,
> wicked...unique mix of hatred, bitterness, ignorance and misplaced
> optimism....exquisitely stupid even. lovely!
> build your own instruments, invent your own musical notation, and
> come up with a unqiuely tuned scale while you're at it! stop
> taking the easy route and using others' creativity! then we will
> be great and successful artists hurrah hurrah!!
>
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> Sent: Sep 9, 2004 3:02 AM
> To: Kent Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, do id
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> list 313 <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
>
> Learn hoq to make your own music or pay the guy that went thru all
> the trouble to get it out there. Sampling is stealing. It's not
> paying tribute, or showing respect. Maybe if you were sampling
> and giving away your music, but you are not. You are struggling
> just like the guy you sampled from, but you are taking the easy
> route. The only reason you hate this ruling so much is that now
> you realize your own creative level is almost non existent, and
> youre screwed. I guess the market will just have to go back to
> being less saturated, and the few actually striving to make
> something new will be able to actually pay their rent, on time.
> Steve
>
>
