I've heard the 'try before you buy' argument before . and I certainly
   think it has merit' as I have gone through a similar experience with
   several pieces of software that I now own.

   However in the case of vinyl or music I have a few issues, with the
   suggestion that P2P will have a positive influence.

   I think the first and most important is the buying culture of young
   people.  While file sharing has a potential to expose people to new
   music, if they can find the music they like for free on a P2P network.
   Why would they then try and find similar music at a much higher cost
   in an specialist format (vinyl) or even CD.

   As mentioned the good sounds you find on P2P will most likely never
   be available at your local store.  Perhaps only over the net, which
   requires a credit card .. etc etc.  Not impossible but more difficult
   than search and download.

   While we grew up with vinyl, the general music listener under the age
   of 24 will not be as familiar with it or share the same affinity with
   the medium as an older person would.

   /

   My assertion would be that P2P networks are an example of the future
   of music distribution.

   How will new music producers develop income from their art?

   /

   I think it says exciting things about live performance! as this will
   be a distinct way that the artist can create income from their work.

   However, as the 'underground' (313) are we interested in following
   ourselves into a corner, or should we be willing to define the future
   of music distribution in our own networks.

   I think the free distribution of music will certainly inject life in
   to a very hidden sound, but will it also turn it into a labor of
   love for producers.

   What is Anarchy without respect ?



  .simon

  ps. this was typed listening to free music from http://www.rohformat.de






[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. I've never been concerned about doing things that are illegal, isn't that what makes underground, well, underground? Hey, I'm an anarchist though... 2. As I have said many times, I buy as many records as I can afford. I love vinyl. Soulseek does not change my record buying, it just makes me a better informed consumer. Soulseek actually increases my craving for record buying. The biggest problem is that often I CAN'T FIND MOST OF THE RECORDS I REALLY WANT in stores...
Yes, people will trade your tracks for free and make new friends while doing 
it.  BUT, they just might buy your record when they see it, which is pretty 
unlikely if they never heard of you before.  I bet most true music lovers feel 
the same way I do.  In the long run, I just don't buy that P2P will ruin the 
industry.  I feel the same way about software.  I would have never purchased a 
legit copy of Ableton if I hadn't tried it, really liked the product, and 
decided their company was worth giving my money too.

My most recent craving is some stuff from Breakin Records, never listened to 
that label before, some wicked electro and acid.  That actually stems from 
checking out a link to Cylob's live set off of his website.  But I bet none of 
the local shops carry it.  I really don't like internet mail order much, but I 
might have to do it, because distribution in the US sucks right now.

~David


---------- Original Message -------------
Subject: Re: (313) tons of tones / future ??
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:12:23 +1300
From: Simon Kong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313 <[email protected]>


    Alright ' I know there is no ethics going down on this thread.

    but it's starting to sound down right loverly ' this business
    of trading other people music without their permission ..

    just cause I'm friends with my drug dealer doesn't make it legal

    ..

    I guess I'm mostly wondering where all this is going to take us .

    Pitch Black ' NZ biggest electronic band have basically committed
    to never making money from an album due to the ability to copy
    and share their music ..

    It hasn't stopped them making music, but their love is our
    enjoyment.

    Six months ago . the word about P2P is that it will only hurt
    the majors ' but as we are all obviously willing to seek and
    share more obscure and leftfield music . where does that leave
    the minority players . .

    also only money being talked about here ' is going towards the
    development of a better file sharing network ..

    / please understand I'm not speaking against P2P

      I am just interested to see where people on the list
      believe this will take music and the artist ' as we
      progress down this path ..

      there may be some positive outcomes in the long run ..

      but currently ' if your music is good .. then expect for
      it to be handed around freely while people make friends
      in the process ..

      I'm not innocent ' just curious about future navigation


    .simon





Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Simon Hindle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

My favourite thing about slsk is the way you can chat with the people
you're downloading from, and browse their other files as well.


exactly. there really is a community based around it with many
many cool people. i never just chat on the internet (im more a
message board/email list kinda guy ;) but ive spent some time
talking to people just learning about good music. tom
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