I just wanted to make a few side remarks about your view on the situation here in Europe. I once did an interview with Jeff Mills where he explained why he affoids spinnin' in the UK: too much trouble with racist customs officers when entering the country. he even swore he would never spin there again. i'm not in a position to tell if the situation in europe is better or worse than in america, but i personally think that's beside the point. it's definitely also a problem on this side of the atlantic.
but you just can't take the situation of black people in europe as a reference point. the comparison's wrong. In europe there are other racial problems but they are created by exactly the same mechanisms. Here in Belgium we have a large group of people who migrated from countries like Morocco and Turkey back in the fifties, but I have yet to see one dj with north-african roots spinnin' at a local party, no matter how small, let alone that I can think of one hot shot dj with north african roots. and I think that is a question of skin colour and opportunities, of the exclusion of a large part of the population from popular culture (can't think of a migrant talk show host or sex icon either for that matter). yesterday one out of three people in Rotterdam voted for a right-wing conservatist who's constantly been making racist remarks about muslims. the same thing happened in my town (Antwerp) a few years ago. Where I live north african youths get pulled over by police everyday just because they are north africans. so you're right: europe is not Wonderland, not at all. koen --- BEATS @ KindaMuzik http://www.kindamuzik.net/beats > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Verzonden: woensdag 6 maart 2002 23:48 > Aan: [email protected] > Onderwerp: Re: [313] Regarding Business - get with it > > > > >who > >is that carl cox figure..... > >fat ass dj running intec.... nothing special.... > > >::::clap clap clap::::: there ya go! > > >I certainly didn't see richie in a commercial in europe where > >he's got an apron on and mixing batter in a bowl in a kitchen, promoting > >some mix cd or club night. > > Hold on there - you are comparing apples and oranges now. > > You are refering to a commercial that ran in Europe where people > tend to be > a bit more open minded about the arts - music included, and > therefore about > the people who create the arts - ie. Carl Cox > > Yeah, Cox leans toward a populist audience but when I've seen him play in > Minneapolis he really went balls out with the techno - and you should all > know by now how rare a techno artist comes here. So I think he knows what > he's doing and staying true to himself. Juan Atkins - no offense > to the man > for I do respect him greatly - has not shown up for the last two > event that > I was aware he was supposed to attend here (no explanation was given by > either the promoter or the artists camp so who knows what happened). You > can't help but start thinking twice about going to see him again - will he > show or won't he? Just for the record - I'll go because he just might show > up and rock the place. I think I'm digressing but everything is > so confused > at the moment I can't tell for sure..... > > Since I live in the US where the arts are slashed out of school programs > and the tight ass right wing politicians attack it for, *gasp*, > challenging > their perspectives, I don't see either Richie or Carl Cox in a > commerical - > I hear Juan (Ford Focus) but I see and hear Moby (Nordstroms/SciFi > channel)! Ahhhhhhhhh this thread is running in nasty evil circles! > > Plus - Carl Cox is a black man and I thought this was an issue of skin > color and opportunity - though *maybe* (this is an assumption I am making > not based on any facts of his life that I know) he's had it easier living > across the ocean - seems like Jeff Mills, Claude Young and a slew of other > black American artists always have (all the be-bop jazz artists for > example). That's why they go there to play and live - it's easier for them > and I don't blame them if they do. What would you rather do - stay some > place where it never seems to get sorted out or go where people are going > to respect you for who you are - not what color your skin is. I'm not > saying that Europe is Wonderland - its got its problems with racial issues > too but obviously if some of these cats are going there to live they must > be doing something better there than we are here. Has Claude Young ever > spoken about the differences between living in Detroit and living in > Glasgow? I'd be interested in reading/hearing what he has to say. > > We shouldn't confuse this very important topic - it's not about if you are > underground or if you are from Europe - if Carl Cox came to live in the US > he'd probably run a greater chance of getting pulled over by a cop because > he is black. The issue is being black and living in the "land of > the free". > Stop arguing over personal shit - take it off list. Let's get with the > program and work this m*therf*cker out! > > > MEK > > > > > glyph1001 > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: > [email protected] > > ink.net> cc: > > Subject: Re: > [313] Regarding Business > 03/06/02 04:04 PM > > Please respond to > > glyph1001 > > > > > > > > > > cox is definitely more known in a 'mainstream' type of way as opposed to > richie. I certainly didn't see richie in a commercial in europe where > he's got an apron on and mixing batter in a bowl in a kitchen, promoting > some mix cd or club night. > > g. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >hmmm. hawtin or cox. internationally, i really think cox might have a > >slightly higher profile, although i could be wrong. > > > > > > > >On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Berislav wrote: > > > >> > >>>trance: oakenfold, sasha digweed (white) > >>>techno: carl cox? (black) > >>>jungle: goldie (black) > >>> > >>come on, man ,techno carl cox > >>if somebody is mega super star in techno thats got to be Richie Hawtin, > who > >>is that carl cox figure..... > >>fat ass dj running intec.... nothing special.... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>b. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
