> well then the prevalent view here is wrong.  the festival works best when it
> books diverse acts to pays its bills and perpetuate its own existence.  big

There is no evidence to support the assumption that booking more
artists outside of the Detroit tradition improves the success of the
festival. There is in fact evidence that the festivals that were about
Detroit's electronic music legacy had much larger attendance -- there
is no way to know how many of those people would have attended had it
not been free, but it's fairly safe to assume that the first few
festivals would have been the greatest successes had an entry fee been
charged and had the festivals been competently managed. The
sponsorship was there (selling the festival as "Detroit Techno" all
over TV, to boot), mainstream media was there, the initial excitement
was there, the widespread local appeal was there. The only thing borne
out as a more successful approach in the past few years is the
charging of an entry fee and a much more competent management of the
festival in general. You aren't going to convince anybody jumping to
conclusions that aren't borne out. You can only claim Paxahau's
festival would be less successful as a Detroit-centric festival if
they throw one and it is decisively less successful. You may well be
right (I think you are) considering the trends in electronic music
these days, but they haven't had that festival to prove it, yet.

> member that wants that 25 percent, there is someone out there looking for
> the dnb stuff they are booking, or this or that.  just because YOU dont dig
> it, doesn't mean its invalid and has no place at the festival.

That's certainly true enough, but helllooo McFly, why the hell are you
on the Detroit Techno mailing list if you don't think Detroit's legacy
is more important, ultimately more culturally relevant, than global
superstar dj's or the newest hype for the majority of people
attending. There has to be a balance between commerce and art/culture,
but considering it's Detroit, and the only electronic music festival
in Detroit, I think it's reasonable to expect there will be an
undercurrent to the festival that celebrates Detroit's legacy. I don't
think Paxahau has failed to address that, but as Detroit Techno
devotees we want more, we want Paxahau to have the balls to risk it's
ass to throw another Detroit-centric festival, now that they have put
in place proper management. It is a bit unreasonable. Paxahau's
business smarts that dictates the festival goes increasingly in a
different direction -- the cultural relevance has been minim(al)ized,
because....

I'm afraid electronic music, especially American electronic music, has
suffered tremendously in the last 7 years. It would be crazy to throw
a festival like the first few festivals again given that no one
(comparatively) in America is buying Techno, and maybe more
importantly look at the output of Detroit (and America in general).
Paxahau is smart and they have probably judged the market correctly.
You gotta get the kids there. There ain't many heads among the kids
these days. The heads have jobs, kids, old fogie legs that don't dance
so good no more...The kids ain't got no responsibilities and are much
more carefree about burning through their dough. The majority just
wanna party. Perhaps they would be open to learning about why
Detroit's legacy is so important and unique to electronic music. But
there is no real exciting reason why they would care to learn. The
infrastructure to put Detroit/American electronic music culture in the
public eye and make it compelling just isn't there.

/0 may be obnoxious (ain't we all sometimes), but I'm afraid he's right.

That said I'm attending if it's within my budget (plane tickets and
gas = megabux right now) and a lot of friends of mine who have never
gone before -- heads even -- want to go this year. It's the best we
have and it's not going to improve if it's not nurtured. I believe
things will come back around, and besides it's the best opportunity we
Americans have to see so many artists we like in one place, without
using a passport. And if the festival ain't up to snuff for you, you
can shift your attention to soaking up the city and hanging out with
seldom-seen friends...It depends on your budget etc whether it's worth
it or not -- if budget isn't a primary consideration, absolutely it
is...

I miss Detroit a lot...

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