Do you ever take this as a 'teaching moment' and tell them why that is a horrible way to view things?
Of course, this just goes to show what everyone's probably noticed: 99% of DJs are complete wankers. Present company excepted off course. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A very quick interjection from me! > > We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we > currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been > growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the > customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is > great because "I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download > it for free". It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the > majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting > something for "nothing". > > Jason > > Rubadub > > 2008/9/26 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Wait a second... >> >> how is it _not_ the "fans" fault for Geist not getting paid for his music >> when people download via P2P before it's even out? >> >> you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get >> it from A to B >> P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the >> files on them >> nobody is holding the "fans" at gun point and telling them that they MUST >> share the files with all of their friends >> >> they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist >> - especially the struggling independent artist >> >> people are looking to get something for nothing >> >> it is the "fans" fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions >> are hurting the musicians they claim to love >> it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling "I can't >> hear you!" >> >> you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the >> fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians >> aren't getting paid for it >> >> it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give >> something in return that the musician can use >> most of the time, that something is financial funding >> >> if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't >> have it - >> in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a >> gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires >> you should be content with having less >> >> music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone >> else >> >> continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - >> they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a >> friend hurts Morgan Geist >> >> MEK >> >> "JT Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: >> >> > It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic >> > re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any >> > balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG >> > was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to >> > music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what >> > site you uh cite. The "artifact" and "reality" of music is ceasing to >> > exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to >> > have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave >> > about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital "objects", >> > but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and >> > valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead >> > of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and >> > talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm >> > tired. >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > > Reason it's not a business is because his "fans" won't let him make a >> > > living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on >> a >> > > record that isn't even released yet. >> > > That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called "fans" >> say >> > > straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they >> > > didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. >> > > >> > > That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. >> > > >> > > I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could >> you >> > > possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? >> > > >> > > MEK >> > > >> > > Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is >> > >> > refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living >> from >> > >> > music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very >> > >> > (financially) successful. >> > >> I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a >> business >> > >> and back to a hobby. >> > >> >> > >> m >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> >
