Douglas,

Yes, I know about ALP, but I have quite a bit of time and effort invested in 
list boxes, which fulfil most of my requirements.

What interested me was not a bug fix but a newly-introduced feature. I get the 
impression from your reply that it won’t be until v17 (or v18, or whatever it’s 
going to be called) is released that LISTBOX SET PROPERTY will be more 
generally available. I was rather hoping that wasn’t the case.

I do think the comment that “list boxes do not generate revenue for 4D” is 
rather superficial, though. Improvements in 4D generate revenue; that’s why 4D 
keeps developing.

Jeremy


Jeremy Roussak
[email protected]



> On 21 Jan 2018, at 18:41, Douglas von Roeder <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Jeremy:
> 
> 4D's dot releases are bug fixes; R releases have features and bug fixes. This 
> link <http://www.4d.com/products/r-release.html> where it reads "Instead of 
> developing and distributing major releases with a large set of features every 
> 18-24 months (as is usually done for large software projects), we have split 
> the feature set into smaller parts, releasing 3-4 new versions each year."  
> 
> Insofar as waiting for a list box fix, that's the nature of using any of 4D's 
> feature. The fact that ITK and NTK exist as products indicates that there's a 
> market for a product where 4D Internet Commands isn't satisfactory. It's the 
> same with AreaList Pro - list boxes do not generate revenue for 4D so 4D will 
> tend to not fix bugs and will tend to not add features.
> 
> I'm not knocking list boxes, they do some pretty cool things, but there is an 
> inexpensive alternative that has a huge feature set and is backed by a 
> company whose bottom line depends on their ability satisfy customer demand. 
> Over the years some of the feature requests and/or bug fixes that I've 
> submitted have resulted in the release of a new version within 24 hours. In 
> contrast, there are many emails here on the NUG where folks are running into 
> bugs that go unresolved. There is an inexpensive, well-supported alternative 
> <http://www.e-node.net/redir/EN/produit_id_20/AreaList-Pro.html>. 
> 
> --
> Douglas von Roeder
> 949-336-2902
> 
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:34 AM, Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Is there a timetable for new features in R releases to be added to public 
> releases?
> 
> There’s a new command (LISTBOX SET PROPERTY) that I’ve been anticipating for 
> years; it was introduced in v16R2, apparently, but isn’t in v16.3
> 
> I’m not a partner and don’t get R releases, which I accept means I’ll have to 
> wait. I’m just wondering for how long.
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> Jeremy Roussak
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> 
> 
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