"Just for discussion sake, I'd say that a good portion of long established systems have 100% of their space already occupied by classic code….” Couldn’t agree more! As the average age of installed base of programmers decreases, the % of “classic” code in production systems will drop (hat’s the audience that will use ORDA + OOP in 4D)
"The use of the Form object offers so much that I am resigned to let go of some generic code, not happy, but willing to pay that price.” Agreed. If change wasn’t an inherent part of all facets of life, life would have stopped at the amoeba. -- Douglas von Roeder 949-910-4084 On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:23 PM lists via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > Doug, > > Just for discussion sake, I'd say that a good portion of long established > systems have 100% of their space already occupied by classic code.... > > The use of the Form object offers so much that I am resigned to let go of > some generic code, not happy, but willing to pay that price. > > Lahav > > -----Original Message----- > From: 4D_Tech <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com> On Behalf Of Douglas von > Roeder via 4D_Tech > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:51 PM > To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > Cc: Douglas von Roeder <dvonroe...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Object notation replacement for use of Self in a script — v18 > > Randy: > > "If there is such an issue trying to get object values to work right, > what’s the reason to use them at all?” > The new language is extremely powerful and I found it quite easy to pick > up (mostly). The fact that it doesn’t give us 100% backward compatibility > is not unexpected. > > "I know everyone is all excited about object notation, but it’s not > mandatory. Why should we even consider using it if doesn’t do what we > need? I’m sure there are some areas where it’s useful, but it sounds like > there’s a lot where it isn’t. Am I missing something” > “[doing everything that] we need” is a pretty high bar, wouldn’t you > agree? For me, I’ve been using ObjectTools + constructors since the late > 90’s, biding my time for 4D to adopt objects/object notation/OOP. At this > point, I’ll take what I can get. > > While I was quite not-happy with this particular limitation (I have forms > with hundreds of fields that use Object name that are used with Object get > pointer), I think the last paragraph of Miyako’s posting, above, is sound > advice - "I would focus my use of object notation to areas where classic > code could not go, not spaces already occupied by classic code." > > -- > Douglas von Roeder > 949-910-4084 > > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 3:03 PM Randy Kaempen via 4D_Tech < > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:43 PM, lists via 4D_Tech > > > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > OK, based on this design, we are back to using variables (or dynamic > > variables) for data entry of anything that needs any kind of > > processing done to it after an entry, having to load the values to > > these data entry objects when loading the form, and copying the values > > back when we want to save any user changes. > > > > > > OR > > > > > > We can use the Form.XXX notation to gain the advantage of that new > > > nifty > > option, but lose the generic coding ability. > > > > > > I'd say it's a choice, but the lack of the ability to address an > > > object > > from within generically definitely seems to be a glaring omission... > > > > If there is such an issue trying to get object values to work right, > > what’s the reason to use them at all? > > > > I know everyone is all excited about object notation, but it’s not > > mandatory. Why should we even consider using it if doesn’t do what we > > need? I’m sure there are some areas where it’s useful, but it sounds > > like there’s a lot where it isn’t. Am I missing something? > > > > > > Randy Kaempen > > Intellex Corporation > > > > ********************************************************************** > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > > ********************************************************************** > ********************************************************************** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ********************************************************************** > ********************************************************************** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **********************************************************************
