Daniel James wrote:
> This is what got me started using Clusty in the first place, after 
> Google caved into the Internet Police in China. I don't think we built 
> a free and open Internet to let it be abused in that way.

I know some other issues that speak against Google. I guess they will 
come along with some laws that have a lot of advantages, but also 
protect, in a 'freaky' way, their own political interests. I'm 'happy', 
not proud, to be a German and I also would be happy to be an 
US-American, but also without proud. The same, if I would have the 
nationality of many other countries that are democratic. 'Our' nations 
have some embargo against several other nations. (I guess) you Daniel 
are from the UK, so we both are Europeans. I don't like many embargo the 
EU and the USA pursue and I guess most commercial projects e.g. Google 
follow extreme opportunistic the words of the laws of the countries they 
are from.

For Google I also don't like that they make a conquest of highly gifted 
people, by manipulative concessions.

Full ACK to your argument.

Can we trust Clusty and other alternative search engines?  Just to  
publish funny cartoons isn't an evidence for the truth.

I can imagine, that if we have trouble with Linux and ask the community 
on other mailing lists and forums, we will be dissed, if we won't ask 
Google before asking the community.

The long and short of it

- Now I be for it to remove Google from your distro, you are right with 
your argumentation. For me Google is similar to VST, it has no place in 
FLOSS by default, but I have the liberty to use it for/ with the FLOSS 
I'm using.
- Anyway, I will use Google, because it's the fastest way to get 
information about e.g. Linux. Political and because of data protection I 
won't trust any search engine.
- In Addition to Google I will try to use more often alternative search 
engines in the future.

Google for me seems to be like democracy, it's far away of being perfect 
or just good in any way, but the best solution of all lowest common 
denominators. The anarchistic way I prefer would cause a disaster, 
because it's not common.

I guess removing Google from Firefox's default search won't have any 
positive or negative effects, but it still would be a statement.

Cheers,
Ralf
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