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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 64studio VSTs with FST or dssi-vst (Ralf Mardorf)
2. Re: 64studio VSTs with FST or dssi-vst (Mathias Krause)
3. Re: 64studio VSTs with FST or dssi-vst (Mathias Krause)
4. Re: 64studio VSTs with FST or dssi-vst (Dave Phillips)
5. swap (fred)
6. Re: 64studio VSTs with FST or dssi-vst (Ralf Mardorf)
7. Re: swap (Quentin Harley)
8. Re: swap (Ralf Mardorf)
9. Re: swap (Quentin Harley)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:06:01 +0200
From: Ralf Mardorf <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [64studio-users] 64studio VSTs with FST or dssi-vst
To: Dave Phillips <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Dave Phillips wrote:
However, I will point out that those of us who can actually play those
traditional instruments are more fun at parties and other impromptu
events. Hitting the spacebar on a laptop just doesn't compete with the
drama of a fingerpicking guitarist trying to woo the affections of the
lady-types. :)
I don't agree. I'm able to play Guitar very well and at a party I
preffer to do it, but today we have also people that perform art by
using computers. The times have changed.
I've heard brilliant music made with a 4-track PortaStudio and a
C64, and I've seen & heard the sonic equivalent of well-polished turds
made with AVID and Pro Tools systems.
Full ACK, I didn't use the PortaStudio but the MT44D and I did not only
use the C64 as sequencer, but also as a MIDI sound sampler I programmed
myself. For my Linux computer I can say that it has much too much jitter
when using Linux in wanted sync to external MIDI equipment, using the
C64 I never had jitter. I guess there are some points where Linux isn't
as good as the C64 and different Ataris. The C64 and the Ataris were
used in many very well known professional audio studios, while they
today don't use Linux PCs, but some still do use the Ataris.
Doing brilliant work with less good equipment is not a good argument. I
did it, but I also could use this gift when working with Neve & Co., the
talent won't get lost if the possibilities become better ;).
Ralf
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:37:06 +0200
From: Mathias Krause <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [64studio-users] 64studio VSTs with FST or dssi-vst
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Hi Dave,
ok ... so what I think at the moment:
For making music, Linux is NOT a good alternative at the moment,
especially if one needs to use a lot of VST instruments. For recording
and mixing, things look different. What do you think?
Hi Mathias,
I would say it depends on what kind of music you make.
I would also say that Linux is not a good alternative especially if one
can *only* make music with a lot of VST plugins. There are whole new
classes of musicians now who can't play traditional instruments, but
because the virtual instruments and effects are available they can make
very "real" recordings. I do it myself, so please understand I'm not
particularly opposed to the phenomenon. However, I hope you'll agree
that the mere possession of a nice set of plugins does not confer
musical intelligence, musical sensitivity, or musical skills. I own a
shovel, but I'm no gardener. I can still have fun in the garden, but I
know the difference between myself and someone who really knows what
they're doing.
Nothing to add. You're totally right. Except one thing: I think, If I
would like to have fun in the garden, and in fact, I am NOT a
professional studio guy, and all I want to do is to test, if linux is
suitable for me.
At the moment, I doesn't look like. Hydrogen is not starting. VST
instruments are not really usable and there are only some rare native
instrument plugins available. Currently there's no good sequencer
available (but qtractor seems to get the chance to become one...)
However, I will point out that those of us who can actually play those
traditional instruments are more fun at parties and other impromptu
events. Hitting the spacebar on a laptop just doesn't compete with the
drama of a fingerpicking guitarist trying to woo the affections of the
lady-types. :)
Hm ... I can't agree with that. Of course, I AM able to play some
instruments. I play drums, accordion, keyboard and a little bit guitar.
But that does not help me when I try to create a song and i want to
quick-setup some instruments with VST instrument. Maybe just to get a
demo or a playback for the recording? That's how we do it.
When talking about instruments, for making music with linux, I think we're
talking about synthesizers and drums ...
No offense intended, but I think you maybe need to listen to more of the
variety of music made with Linux audio tools.
Have you heard much music made with Csound ?
In the last analysis, your music is what will interest me, not the tools
used. I've heard brilliant music made with a 4-track PortaStudio and a
C64, and I've seen & heard the sonic equivalent of well-polished turds
made with AVID and Pro Tools systems. Talent and ability still matter to
some musicians, and a gussied-up piece of crap still smells like crap,
despite the best efforts of Autotune and Melodyne. Of course, people
will buy what they like, and there is indeed no accounting for taste.
Mine tends towards the music of Charley Patton and of Elliott Carter. :)
That's right. But doesn't help me for getting a good linux system for
making music (and thats what I tried to do)
regards,
gizzmo
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:39:43 +0200
From: Mathias Krause <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [64studio-users] 64studio VSTs with FST or dssi-vst
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Hi Ralf,
ok ... so what I think at the moment:
For making music, Linux is NOT a good alternative at the moment,
especially if one needs to use a lot of VST instruments. For
recording and mixing, things look different. What do you think?
Full ACK, but keep in mind that the times are changing. Knowledge is
kept as secret, only rich people are able to pay universities etc., so
it's not only a question about the quality. For recording and mixing
things don't look different. A lot of film sync techniques are
impossible by Linux. If you run a good multi band compressor like
Jamin you bring the computer to it's knees by using Linux, not by
using Windows. Latencies are better for Windows, if you do heavy
mixing, even if you start with better latencies by using Linux.
For the pc I use, w$ is worse than Linux on every task...
I decided to use Linux, if possible. Linux only can become better, if
critical folks will stay at Linux.
Yeah. And that's exactly my plan...
Mine too !
regards,
gizzmo
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:37:57 -0400
From: Dave Phillips <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [64studio-users] 64studio VSTs with FST or dssi-vst
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Mathias Krause wrote:
However, I will point out that those of us who can actually play those
traditional instruments are more fun at parties and other impromptu
events. Hitting the spacebar on a laptop just doesn't compete with the
drama of a fingerpicking guitarist trying to woo the affections of the
lady-types. :)
Hm ... I can't agree with that. Of course, I AM able to play some
instruments. I play drums, accordion, keyboard and a little bit guitar.
But that does not help me when I try to create a song and i want to
quick-setup some instruments with VST instrument. Maybe just to get a
demo or a playback for the recording? That's how we do it.
Ach, I guess I should have put about three more smiley faces at the end
of that statement. It was a joke, guys.
Bye,
dp
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:00:32 +0200
From: fred <[email protected]>
Subject: [64studio-users] swap
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Hi list,
I'm trying to mix many tracks in Ardour with plugins everywhere, and CPU
is 92% used. So Ardour insults often, saying that HD is not speed enough.
Have modify QJackctrl settings, and change defaults in /etc/fstab to
noatime,
but it's not enough... All needed is some CPU more to track down the mix
with
one more plugin for voice (if delete this plugin it works...)
I type "top", and it appears that swap is not used at all.
Do you think it could help if swap could be used, and how using it ?
Any help will be appreciate !
Greets,
Fred
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:23:53 +0200
From: Ralf Mardorf <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [64studio-users] 64studio VSTs with FST or dssi-vst
To: Mathias Krause <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Mathias Krause wrote:
Hydrogen is not starting.
Do you get any messages if you run it in a terminal?
qtractor seems to get the chance to become one
I do agree, while Rosegarden seems to be in a dead end, even if it's
still better than Qtractor. In theory MusE seems to be the best Linux
FLOSS sequencer + HD recorder, but it isn't fine on any of my several
Linux installs and I often heard that MusE should be broken for many
people. EnergyXT might be a good sequencer too, dunno, because it's not
FLOSS.
I decided to use Linux, if possible. Linux only can become better, if
critical folks will stay at Linux.
Yeah. And that's exactly my plan...
Than we're two :).
Have to say we are, AT LEAST, 3 !!
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:31:22 +0200
From: Quentin Harley <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [64studio-users] swap
To: fred <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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fred wrote:
Do you think it could help if swap could be used, and how using it ?
If you are using everything in memory (as you would in an plug intensive
session) you want to steer away from swap. Swap slows down the system
as it constantly has to read form hard drive in stead of RAM only. Swap
is only useful if you are using more ram than you actually have - It
works almost like a credit limit ;-)
You will have to either optimise your plug settings, or start to print
the effects to tracks to take some strain of the processor. Create some
tape mode tracks, and route the output of a track with effects to its
input, and record. Now disable the effects of the original track, and
mute it.
Cheers,
Quentin
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:35:58 +0200
From: Ralf Mardorf <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [64studio-users] swap
To: fred <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
fred wrote:
Hi list,
I'm trying to mix many tracks in Ardour with plugins everywhere, and CPU
is 92% used. So Ardour insults often, saying that HD is not speed enough.
Have modify QJackctrl settings, and change defaults in /etc/fstab to
noatime,
but it's not enough... All needed is some CPU more to track down the mix
with
one more plugin for voice (if delete this plugin it works...)
I type "top", and it appears that swap is not used at all.
Do you think it could help if swap could be used, and how using it ?
Any help will be appreciate !
Greets,
Fred
What's the setting of "@audio - memlock" in /etc/security/limits.conf.
Don't know if this will change anything.
Is duplex needed? Don't know if this will change anything.
For on-board graphics it might help to reduce the frame buffer by the
BIOS settings, to get some more RAM.
A WM like Ion2 is using less resources, than e.g. Fluxbox. I know that
this will reduce load.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:51:49 +0200
From: Quentin Harley <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [64studio-users] swap
To: Ralf Mardorf <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], fred <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
For on-board graphics it might help to reduce the frame buffer by the
BIOS settings, to get some more RAM.
This makes a huge difference. As a matter of fact, disable on-board GPU
and use an AGP or PCI-e graphics card.
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