Good Morning Kevin:
Good Morning Ralf:  ( I finally figured out how you spell your name SORRY)
Good Morning Daniel:
 Good Morning the whole darn group of you guys and gals -- your the best!!!
>>>>>>
Thirdly, I'm not clear if you're using 64Studio as your distro.  If not, 
please say what you are using, because your choices may be slightly different 
in that case.
>>>>>>
I am using Ubuntu 9.10.   The reason is it was the only distro that I could get 
the sound to work on.  To say the least it took well over a month - after I 
figured out how to get the wireless to work.

>>>>>>>>>>>>
Fourthly, please post follow-ups to [email protected], so that 
other users can follow.  Ralf gave the address earlier - you can subscribe at 
this page: http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-users, or read 
the archives there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
I have done and am doing both of your suggestions.  I am so glad you folks 
haven't taken offense to my modern ineptness.  If I told you when I started in 
design and software development of computers --- well thats a long time ago and 
a long story.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The first thing is to install Avidemux.  On beta 3 of 64Studio 3.0 (which I am 
using), you go to GNOME -> System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package 
Manager. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ubuntu 9.10 also has avidemux and I have loaded it.  So I'll try it out later 
today.  Suppose to rain this afternoon so I won't be able to drive the horses 
-- good time to do this. 

>>>>>>>>>>>
Say hello to the aliens for me :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
I will do that for you LOL.  We have a landing pad out back 150' X 300' that 
they use at night.  Also have a customs building they stay in at night.  They 
let us use it in the day time when it is to bright for them with those big 
eyes.  You can see them on our website.
OH Pat said if you want any Alien stuff give us your mailing address we can 
send you guys some.


So for now I am off to doing a little driving this morning and then on to 
working with Linux.

I must say your website is fantastic.  Especially the "Team" section.  It 
really puts a personal touch and explains why you folks are so helpful.  It is 
a total understatement to say I appreciate all you guys and gals have 
provided.  It is so helpful.
.......................    Al

Aspice Morgans  
Albert Seminatore  
Roswell, NM  
E-Mail:    [email protected]  
WebSite:   http://www.aspicemorgans.com  
Pacific Carriage 
 Authorized Dealer in Co., NM, west TX.

--- On Tue, 10/20/09, Kevin Donnelly <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Kevin Donnelly <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [64studio-users] What DV Camcorders are supported
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 5:48 AM

Hi Albert

On Tuesday 20 October 2009 03:08, Albert Seminatore wrote:
> >   I have a HItachi MV 380A camera with a USB interface and the mini
> > DVD for recording.  I can down load the video from the camera to my
> > hard disk no problem.  There are two files, one I think is a backup of
> > the other, they are ".IFO" and ".VRO".
> >   Now I can get the .VRO to play on my laptop under Linux no problem.  
> > BUT  there is stuff in that file I'd like to edit out.  Things like
> > looking at the ground or sky while walking!  I can read the file into
> > LiVES but I haven't the fogest notion of what that program is doing.
> >
> >   What I would like is a simple little editing program like DVDCAM (
> > no longer supported by Hitachi) that would allow me to add titles, cut
> > out pieces of the movie I don't want and then burn it to a DVD that
> > the world can play.  My guess at this point is LiVES is to advanced
> > for this function.   Does anyone have any ideas???

Ralf has given you a variety of pieces of information, some of which may be 
useful.  I'm just going to focus on the essentials, but bear in mind I am not 
an expert!

First of all, respect is due for dipping your toes in Linux at the age of 
70 :-)

Secondly - be aware that video is complicated.  Linux will not have a really 
easy (and stable) video editor for about 18 months.  At the minute, it's a 
case of "suck it and see" - you may have to try a few things to get something 
that works for you.  So success depends to a large degree on 
your "stickability".

Thirdly, I'm not clear if you're using 64Studio as your distro.  If not, 
please say what you are using, because your choices may be slightly different 
in that case.

Fourthly, please post follow-ups to [email protected], so that 
other users can follow.  Ralf gave the address earlier - you can subscribe at 
this page: http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-users, or read 
the archives there.

OK.  It is a good sign that your Linux laptop can play the files.  The .IFO 
files are index files - they tell the DVD player where the various bits of 
the film, the audio, etc are.  You can ignore them.  The .VRO files are used 
for streamed recording to the disc.  Provided you have finalised the disc in 
the camera, they should be playable (as you have found).  

If they aren't, you may get them to play by changing the file extension 
to .vob (the normal "video object" files you get on a DVD) or .mpg, although 
this doesn't change the format, which will probably have a bearing on whether 
you can edit them.  If you come across some you can't play, even after 
finalising the disc, you will probably need to re-encode them, rather than 
just change the file extension.  No need to worry about that at the minute, 
though.

The first thing is to install Avidemux.  On beta 3 of 64Studio 3.0 (which I am 
using), you go to GNOME -> System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package 
Manager.  Once that has started, click Reload to update your software 
repositories and then click Search.  In the box that comes up, 
type "avidemux" (without the quotes), and then click Search.  After a while, 
you should see 4 packages listed.  Tick the checkbox against "avidemux", and 
select Mark for Installation.  Synaptic will tell you it also wants to 
install"avidemux-common" - you should agree.  Then click Apply, and Apply 
again.  Synaptic should now download the packages and install them.

If you are not using 64Studio, or this version of 64Studio, let us know so 
that we can suggest what you need to do on the distro you have installed.

On 64Studio, start Avidemux (GNOME -> Sound and Video -> Avidemux).  Click 
Open, and navigate to your .vro file.  Select it and click Open.  Avidemux 
may tell you that this looks like an mpeg file, and ask you if you want to 
create an index for it.  If so, say yes.  Hopefully the file should then load 
so that the footage is visible in Avidemux.  Try playing it by clicking the 
leftmost icon at the bottom of the screen.  If you get a message saying that 
the audio device could not be initialised, that means that JACK (the audio 
connection software) is running, and you need to turn it off (GNOME -> Sound 
and Video -> JACK Control -> Stop).  Leaving it running will play the video 
with no sound, and at half-speed.

If you've got this far, things are looking good.  Stop the video playback by 
using the 2nd leftmost icon.  By dragging the little button on a line above 
the icons, you can move back and forth through the video.  Drag it to where 
there is a clip of "looking at the ground or sky while walking", and use the 
frame nudge (3rd and 4th buttons) to get the frame just before the beginning 
of the bit you want to cut out.  Press the 7th button (the one with an A) to 
set this as the start of your selection.  Move to the frame just after the 
bit you want to cut, and press the 8th button (the one with a B) to set the 
end of the selection.  Under Edit on the menu bar, select Cut (or just press 
Ctrl+X).  Move on to the next bit you want to cut out.

Once all your cuts are made (I would start on a small file, to make it 
easier), you need to save the edited version.  On the left-hand panel, you 
probably have Copy in the Video section, and Copy in the Audio section.  
Leave these for the time being.  Under Format, select AVI.  Then select 
File -> Save -> Save video, and select a location.  I would also choose a new 
name (myvid.avi), so that you can re-edit your original again if something 
goes wrong.  Avidemux should save out your new file.  See if it plays in your 
video player.

Go back to Avidemux, and this time choose MPEG-PS(A+V) under format.  Save a 
new version of your edited file under a new name (myvid.mpg).  See if that 
plays.  (By the way, if you select just MPEG Video as the format, you won't 
get the audio.)

If you can get this far successfully, you have done well - we can then address 
the easier issue of how to burn your files onto DVD.  One problem you may 
find is that Avidemux wants to re-encode your files as you save them - this 
didn't happen with my test files, but if it does it greatly increases the 
time required.  Another possible problem is loss of video/audio 
synchronisation, especially at the end of large files.  This can be tricky to 
solve, and usually involves saving the audio and video separately, and then 
blending ("muxing" <- multiplexing) them together again.  Fingers crossed 
that won't happen.

I wouldn't suggest you use Cinelerra - it is too complex for your purposes.  I 
looked at GOPchop (http://gopchop.sourceforge.net), but the available version 
crashes on importing a file in 64Studio (and development seems to have 
stopped in 2005 anyway).  Kdenlive is another possibility, but the version 
available is quite old, and it still has stability problems.

Report your progress/problems on the above to the list, so that we can make 
further suggestions.

Say hello to the aliens for me :-)

-- 
Pob hwyl / Best wishes

Kevin Donnelly

www.cymraeg.org.uk - Welsh-English autotranslator
www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg



      
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