This is my reply to Kevin's earlier e-Mail. Before I start may I say that his
instruction were right on -- of as the British would say "Spot On". There was
only one problem and it was with the JACK Control. I have no idea what that is
nor can I find any reference to it on my laptop.
All my responses are in Bold Face text.
First I am using Ubuntu 9.10 with wireless capability, installed by fwcutter,
and ALSA sound with the GNOME sound mixer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The first thing is to install Avidemux. On beta 3 of 64Studio 3.0 (which I am
using), you go to GNOME -> System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package
Manager. Once that has started, click Reload to update your software
repositories and then click Search. In the box that comes up,
type "avidemux" (without the quotes), and then click Search. After a while,
you should see 4 packages listed. Tick the checkbox against "avidemux", and
select Mark for Installation. Synaptic will tell you it also wants to
install"avidemux-common" - you should agree. Then click Apply, and Apply
again. Synaptic should now download the packages and install them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Had no problem installing this. Synaptic did a fine job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you are not using 64Studio, or this version of 64Studio, let us know so
that we can suggest what you need to do on the distro you have installed.
On 64Studio, start Avidemux (GNOME -> Sound and Video -> Avidemux). Click
Open, and navigate to your .vro file. Select it and click Open. Avidemux
may tell you that this looks like an mpeg file, and ask you if you want to
create an index for it. If so, say yes. Hopefully the file should then load
so that the footage is visible in Avidemux. Try playing it by clicking the
leftmost icon at the bottom of the screen. If you get a message saying that
the audio device could not be initialised, that means that JACK (the audio
connection software) is running, and you need to turn it off (GNOME -> Sound
and Video -> JACK Control -> Stop). Leaving it running will play the video
with no sound, and at half-speed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Every thing worked just as you stated EXCEPT the Jack Control. There was
nothing available from the menus. Further more I have NO idea how to stop a
program in Linux. Windows gives you Task Manager where you can terminate a
process. LINUX ???
>>>>>>>>>>
If you've got this far, things are looking good. Stop the video playback by
using the 2nd leftmost icon. By dragging the little button on a line above
the icons, you can move back and forth through the video. Drag it to where
there is a clip of "looking at the ground or sky while walking", and use the
frame nudge (3rd and 4th buttons) to get the frame just before the beginning
of the bit you want to cut out. Press the 7th button (the one with an A) to
set this as the start of your selection. Move to the frame just after the
bit you want to cut, and press the 8th button (the one with a B) to set the
end of the selection. Under Edit on the menu bar, select Cut (or just press
Ctrl+X). Move on to the next bit you want to cut out.
>>>>>>>>>
Took me a second to figure out what buttons you were talking about and how you
were addressing them. Having said that this was the Best set of instructions
I've had. I cut out two sections and saved the cut version.
Problem ---- NO SOUND. But you new that already!
>>>>>>>
Once all your cuts are made (I would start on a small file, to make it
easier), you need to save the edited version. On the left-hand panel, you
probably have Copy in the Video section, and Copy in the Audio section.
Leave these for the time being. Under Format, select AVI. Then select
File -> Save -> Save video, and select a location. I would also choose a new
name (myvid.avi), so that you can re-edit your original again if something
goes wrong. Avidemux should save out your new file. See if it plays in your
video player.
Go back to Avidemux, and this time choose MPEG-PS(A+V) under format. Save a
new version of your edited file under a new name (myvid.mpg). See if that
plays. (By the way, if you select just MPEG Video as the format, you won't
get the audio.)
>>>>>>>
Both files (.AVI and .MPEG) worked in the Ubuntu 9.10 Linux video player
called Myplayer. Of course no sound still.
>>>>>>>
If you can get this far successfully, you have done well - we can then address
the easier issue of how to burn your files onto DVD. One problem you may
find is that Avidemux wants to re-encode your files as you save them - this
didn't happen with my test files, but if it does it greatly increases the
time required. Another possible problem is loss of video/audio
synchronisation, especially at the end of large files. This can be tricky to
solve, and usually involves saving the audio and video separately, and then
blending ("muxing" <- multiplexing) them together again. Fingers crossed
that won't happen.
>>>>>>>
I read this last sentence and crossed my finger, toes, legs and arms.
Can we use the CD/DVD Creator (Applications ->Accessories ->CD/DVD Creator) to
burn a DVD? Are we going to somehow have to complete it like in the camera?
There was no re-encoding when I saved it. I guess what I need to understand is
how to turn off the JACK thing. Certainly don't want to do that audio
proceedure just yet.
Thanks a bunch I feel much better that this will work for me.
........................ Al
Aspice Morgans
Albert Seminatore
Roswell, NM
E-Mail: [email protected]
WebSite: http://www.aspicemorgans.com
Pacific Carriage
Authorized Dealer in Co., NM, west TX.
--- On Tue, 10/20/09, Kevin Donnelly <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Kevin Donnelly <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [64studio-users] What DV Camcorders are supported
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 5:48 AM
Hi Albert
On Tuesday 20 October 2009 03:08, Albert Seminatore wrote:
> > I have a HItachi MV 380A camera with a USB interface and the mini
> > DVD for recording. I can down load the video from the camera to my
> > hard disk no problem. There are two files, one I think is a backup of
> > the other, they are ".IFO" and ".VRO".
> > Now I can get the .VRO to play on my laptop under Linux no problem.
> > BUT there is stuff in that file I'd like to edit out. Things like
> > looking at the ground or sky while walking! I can read the file into
> > LiVES but I haven't the fogest notion of what that program is doing.
> >
> > What I would like is a simple little editing program like DVDCAM (
> > no longer supported by Hitachi) that would allow me to add titles, cut
> > out pieces of the movie I don't want and then burn it to a DVD that
> > the world can play. My guess at this point is LiVES is to advanced
> > for this function. Does anyone have any ideas???
Ralf has given you a variety of pieces of information, some of which may be
useful. I'm just going to focus on the essentials, but bear in mind I am not
an expert!
First of all, respect is due for dipping your toes in Linux at the age of
70 :-)
Secondly - be aware that video is complicated. Linux will not have a really
easy (and stable) video editor for about 18 months. At the minute, it's a
case of "suck it and see" - you may have to try a few things to get something
that works for you. So success depends to a large degree on
your "stickability".
Thirdly, I'm not clear if you're using 64Studio as your distro. If not,
please say what you are using, because your choices may be slightly different
in that case.
Fourthly, please post follow-ups to [email protected], so that
other users can follow. Ralf gave the address earlier - you can subscribe at
this page: http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-users, or read
the archives there.
OK. It is a good sign that your Linux laptop can play the files. The .IFO
files are index files - they tell the DVD player where the various bits of
the film, the audio, etc are. You can ignore them. The .VRO files are used
for streamed recording to the disc. Provided you have finalised the disc in
the camera, they should be playable (as you have found).
If they aren't, you may get them to play by changing the file extension
to .vob (the normal "video object" files you get on a DVD) or .mpg, although
this doesn't change the format, which will probably have a bearing on whether
you can edit them. If you come across some you can't play, even after
finalising the disc, you will probably need to re-encode them, rather than
just change the file extension. No need to worry about that at the minute,
though.
The first thing is to install Avidemux. On beta 3 of 64Studio 3.0 (which I am
using), you go to GNOME -> System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package
Manager. Once that has started, click Reload to update your software
repositories and then click Search. In the box that comes up,
type "avidemux" (without the quotes), and then click Search. After a while,
you should see 4 packages listed. Tick the checkbox against "avidemux", and
select Mark for Installation. Synaptic will tell you it also wants to
install"avidemux-common" - you should agree. Then click Apply, and Apply
again. Synaptic should now download the packages and install them.
If you are not using 64Studio, or this version of 64Studio, let us know so
that we can suggest what you need to do on the distro you have installed.
On 64Studio, start Avidemux (GNOME -> Sound and Video -> Avidemux). Click
Open, and navigate to your .vro file. Select it and click Open. Avidemux
may tell you that this looks like an mpeg file, and ask you if you want to
create an index for it. If so, say yes. Hopefully the file should then load
so that the footage is visible in Avidemux. Try playing it by clicking the
leftmost icon at the bottom of the screen. If you get a message saying that
the audio device could not be initialised, that means that JACK (the audio
connection software) is running, and you need to turn it off (GNOME -> Sound
and Video -> JACK Control -> Stop). Leaving it running will play the video
with no sound, and at half-speed.
If you've got this far, things are looking good. Stop the video playback by
using the 2nd leftmost icon. By dragging the little button on a line above
the icons, you can move back and forth through the video. Drag it to where
there is a clip of "looking at the ground or sky while walking", and use the
frame nudge (3rd and 4th buttons) to get the frame just before the beginning
of the bit you want to cut out. Press the 7th button (the one with an A) to
set this as the start of your selection. Move to the frame just after the
bit you want to cut, and press the 8th button (the one with a B) to set the
end of the selection. Under Edit on the menu bar, select Cut (or just press
Ctrl+X). Move on to the next bit you want to cut out.
Once all your cuts are made (I would start on a small file, to make it
easier), you need to save the edited version. On the left-hand panel, you
probably have Copy in the Video section, and Copy in the Audio section.
Leave these for the time being. Under Format, select AVI. Then select
File -> Save -> Save video, and select a location. I would also choose a new
name (myvid.avi), so that you can re-edit your original again if something
goes wrong. Avidemux should save out your new file. See if it plays in your
video player.
Go back to Avidemux, and this time choose MPEG-PS(A+V) under format. Save a
new version of your edited file under a new name (myvid.mpg). See if that
plays. (By the way, if you select just MPEG Video as the format, you won't
get the audio.)
If you can get this far successfully, you have done well - we can then address
the easier issue of how to burn your files onto DVD. One problem you may
find is that Avidemux wants to re-encode your files as you save them - this
didn't happen with my test files, but if it does it greatly increases the
time required. Another possible problem is loss of video/audio
synchronisation, especially at the end of large files. This can be tricky to
solve, and usually involves saving the audio and video separately, and then
blending ("muxing" <- multiplexing) them together again. Fingers crossed
that won't happen.
I wouldn't suggest you use Cinelerra - it is too complex for your purposes. I
looked at GOPchop (http://gopchop.sourceforge.net), but the available version
crashes on importing a file in 64Studio (and development seems to have
stopped in 2005 anyway). Kdenlive is another possibility, but the version
available is quite old, and it still has stability problems.
Report your progress/problems on the above to the list, so that we can make
further suggestions.
Say hello to the aliens for me :-)
--
Pob hwyl / Best wishes
Kevin Donnelly
www.cymraeg.org.uk - Welsh-English autotranslator
www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg
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