Gustin Johnson wrote:
> On 10-03-30 07:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>   
>> GAINWARD BLISS 7200 GS GFORCE PCI Express, passive, looks like a 256 MB
>> one, original price around 35,- €, I could get it second hand for 15,- €.
>>
>> The people from the list seems to know the 6200, 7600GS, 7300, 6200TC,
>> 8500GT,
>> http://www.google.de/#hl=de&source=hp&q=[64studio-users]+GFORCE+7200+GS+&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=ee5ee57acdb47974
>>
>> Referred to http://www.64studio.com/node/1119#comment-5374 someone had
>> bad luck using a 7200, resp. I still need to read the whole thread,
>> perhaps at the end everything went well.
>>
>> Because of MIDI jitter issues, there shouldn't be a difference for
>> integrated graphics using main memory for the frame buffer and a PCI
>> Express with it's own memory was said on LAD. IIUC what Fons has written
>> after I used his jitter test applications, the jitter on my machine is
>> normal for Linux and it should be impossible that the jitter is audible.
>> Unfortunately it's horrible audible.
>>
>> So because of audio I need to find a replacement for Linux IIUC what
>> Fons has written, the 7200 still is interesting for Linux video cut,
>> animation etc., because I never get 3D support for my integrated ATI
>> Radeon X1250-based graphics.
>>
>> Has anybody experiences with a 7200 and is the price ok?
>>
>>    
>>     
> You mean apart from the usual nVidia binary driver problems?

Yes. For my old board I had a NVIDIA AGP and I didn't like it, because 
sometimes it wasn't easy to add the proprietary 3D driver.
OTOH I always was able to get the proprietary driver running and the 
card also was good without using the 3D driver, excepted of speed limits 
for 3D applications.

> I have a similar card but I chose to stick with the integrated ATI instead 
> with 
> 3d support due to RT kernel and nVidia drivers not playing nice together.

What exactly is a similar card?

Searching the web, 
http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=linux+gforce+7200+gs&btnG=Search 
[1], the GFORCE 7200 GS wasn't supported in 2007, 
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/evga-e-geforce-7200-gs-wont-work-nvidia-drivers-567849/
 
OTOH it's listed for the "NVIDIA GeForce Driver for Linux 190.42", 
http://www.brothersoft.com/nvidia-geforce-driver-for-linux-269081.html.

While it always worked for my old AGP NVIDIA with the proprietary 
driver, it doesn't work now for my integrated ATI Radeon X1250-based, 
even though it's listed for the proprietary Linux driver too. I had the 
same with a Fax modem that was listed by the community as working with 
Linux, but even though this modem has the needed chip set, there was one 
revision that doesn't work with Linux and this wasn't mentioned, while 
it was known by those community hardware guys. I had the same with a PCI 
to ATA converter etc., but because of wrong information by the vendor, 
that's why I don't believe community hardware lists and claims of 
vendors. I only believe in other users reports of experiences.

Because of the RT issue I wish to know if a PCI express graphics would 
cause less MIDI jitter as an integrated graphics, because of the access 
to the shared RAM. For knowing this I need the long overdue graphics and 
I would test it with 2D too. On LAD they said that this won't make any 
difference, but they also said, that the MIDI jitter I've got now 
shouldn't be audible. If it's true that there would be no improvement 
and the MIDI jitter I've got is normal for Linux and the developers 
aren't able to hear it, so that they also won't do anything against it, 
than I don't need RT support for Linux audio any more. If so I only 
would use Linux for video cut, authoring, internet access, graphic and 
animation applications etc., but not for music any more.

Btw. Ctrl + F "7200" for http://www.64studio.com/node/69, 
http://www.64studio.com/node/1454 and http://www.64studio.com/node/1085 
was without success.

Because the one who sells the card is a friend of an old acquaintance I 
could ask him, if I could test the card. Doing this would be strange for 
most Germans, that's why I prefer not to ask.

Best,
Ralf

-- 
[1] Generally I try to avoid using Google when ever it's possible, 
especially since Google is allowed to do their showmanship in the news 
of German television. They now claim to be against censorship in China 
and they conceal that Google was a censorship lackey by their own free 
will. Anyway, the advantage to quote Google for forums and mailing lists 
is that they add the search to the location bar.
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