The point is indeed to specify routing protocol for networks comprising constrained devices ( e.g. low power) interconnected via lossy links/nodes since indeed the node failure rate is
likely to be higher than in typical IP networks.

Cheers.

JP.

On Oct 29, 2007, at 8:14 PM, Philip Levis wrote:

On Oct 29, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Kris Pister wrote:

Hmm. You could probably make the claim that there aren't any wired link layers that don't have losses, too. I guess that it's all relative. What are the loss rates in wired systems?

The point is relative; losses of course exist in wired systems. A lot of it boils down to assumptions; if line loss rates are such that most losses are due to congestion, you want different rate control than if they are link losses. The many efforts to get TCP working on wireless, as well as high-speed TCP and fast TCP are some of the major examples.


Certainly it is possible to find path/channel combinations in 802.15.4 networks that have zero loss at the link layer over periods of many weeks and millions of packets, which I think gets called "carrier class" reliability.

It's important to note that this only applies for particular topologies and environments. Zero loss at the link layer over periods of weeks is unlikely if you're next to a microwave. It's the edge cases that always get you.

If we're smart, we'll be able to build networks that use such path/ channel combos almost exclusively.

I think I might word it slightly differently: if we're smart, we'll be able to build networks that detect such path/channel combinations when they exist. Assuming they always exist seems dangerous to me.

Phil



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