[909linux] SCaLE 6x IRC log

[Roger Rustad]

[2007-07-08 17:22:36] <Gareth> hmm
[2007-07-08 17:22:42] <Gareth> dualdflipflop: *DID* you owe everyone money?
[2007-07-08 17:22:51] <dualdflipflop> It's possible...
[2007-07-08 17:23:03] <Gareth> dualdflipflop: Trevor right?
[2007-07-08 17:23:08] <dualdflipflop> I might have kicked their puppy or 
something...
[2007-07-08 17:23:14] <dualdflipflop> Yes, that's me.
[2007-07-08 17:23:33] <dualdflipflop> Gareth: Gareth right?
[2007-07-08 17:23:33] <Gareth> Thought so..
[2007-07-08 17:23:42] <Gareth> eek..how did you know? :)
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[2007-07-08 17:24:02] <scubacuda> Gareth, David Kaser says hi (from 
Porland, OR)
[2007-07-08 17:24:07] * dualdflipflop wonders to himself... "why am I here?"
[2007-07-08 17:24:13] <scubacuda> Kaser = Kaiser
[2007-07-08 17:24:20] <xed2> dualdflipflop: To give your input and advice
[2007-07-08 17:24:28] <dualdflipflop> I have such things?
[2007-07-08 17:24:30] <Gareth> scubacuda: ah excellant...he's up there 
for OSCon?
[2007-07-08 17:24:34] <xed2> dualdflipflop: Leave then. =)
[2007-07-08 17:24:41] <scubacuda> will this chat be accessible online?
[2007-07-08 17:24:50] <dualdflipflop> Nah... I'll stay and pester.
[2007-07-08 17:24:53] <Gareth> yes.  I am logging.
[2007-07-08 17:24:55] * xed2 hopes so.
[2007-07-08 17:25:01] <scubacuda> Gareth: dunno...just got off the phone 
with him and didn't ask.
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[2007-07-08 17:25:12] <Gareth> scubacuda: ah okay..
[2007-07-08 17:27:46] <Hawkwind> Gareth: Evening!  Cliff Wade....I was 
with foo most of the time with the Ulteo booth this year
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[2007-07-08 17:28:21] <Gareth> Hawkwind: Yup! I remember you...thanks 
for stopping by and for helping with the Ulteo group at SCALE.
[2007-07-08 17:28:39] <scubacuda> Gareth: I'm Roger, I met you with 
David last year. We're the ones starting the Inland Empire area LUG group.
[2007-07-08 17:28:44] <Hawkwind> Gareth: Not a problem at all.  Hope to 
do it again this year if I can
[2007-07-08 17:28:56] <Gareth> scubacuda: Yup! I remember..hows that 
group coming?
[2007-07-08 17:29:28] <ifoo> Gareth: I don't know Hawkwind, I think he's 
lying
[2007-07-08 17:29:30] <scubacuda> gareth: good, we got a nice conference 
room at La Sierra University and meet fairly reguarly each month now
[2007-07-08 17:29:50] <Gareth> scubacuda: Nice..a good meeting area is key.
[2007-07-08 17:30:07] <scubacuda> gareth: in fact, last month I 
presented on Nagios. And the time before, one of David's friends (from 
IBM in Austraulia) spoke on P3 & Linux
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[2007-07-08 17:42:14] <Gareth> Okay..Im going to go ahead and set the 
channel to be moderated, once it is no one will be able to speak. 
Started at 6pm, the SCALE staff will give some brief projections for 
SCALE 6x.  After that we'll open the floor for any questions anyone else 
or suggestions to make SCALE 6 better.
[2007-07-08 17:42:45] <Gareth> stay tuned.
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[2007-07-08 17:43:07] =-= Gareth has changed the topic to ``SCALE Public 
IRC Meeting Sunday July 8th @ 6pm || FOSSCon Sept. 22nd-23rd, 2007 - San 
Diego - http://www.fosscon.org || Channel temporarily moderated.  Stay 
Tuned.''
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[2007-07-08 18:00:23] <Gareth> Okay. 6pm...lets get started...
[2007-07-08 18:00:48] <Gareth> We want to thank everyone for attending...
[2007-07-08 18:01:23] <Gareth> we'll go ahead and have the SCALE chairs 
give some projections for what we can expect for SCALE 6x.
[2007-07-08 18:01:38] =-= Mode #scale-chat +vvv bala Orv StuartS by Gareth
[2007-07-08 18:01:43] =-= Mode #scale-chat +v ilan by Gareth
[2007-07-08 18:02:05] <Gareth> StuartS: why dont you go ahead and start 
us off...what can we expect to see different from a technical side of 
things?
[2007-07-08 18:02:38] <StuartS> Thanks Gareth
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[2007-07-08 18:03:06] <StuartS> Currently tech is planning to increase 
available bandwidth to the show
[2007-07-08 18:03:31] <StuartS> add a game night to hilight open source 
based games
[2007-07-08 18:04:04] <StuartS> and revamp the email garden.
[2007-07-08 18:04:36] <StuartS> As well as moving the main control 
center for the network off the show floor (providing budgets allow)
[2007-07-08 18:04:47] <StuartS> Back to you Gareth...
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[2007-07-08 18:05:44] <Gareth> bala: Why dont we go to you next...what 
changes can we expect to see at the SCALE registration for SCALE 6x?
[2007-07-08 18:06:14] <bala> Lei is currently redoing the software that 
we have in place for registration
[2007-07-08 18:06:41] <bala> That's our biggest change. Once that's in 
place, we will explore better modes of badge/t-shirt handout.
[2007-07-08 18:07:25] <Gareth> Excellant...anything else?
[2007-07-08 18:07:56] <bala> Also, there were some concerns about using 
the email garden/registration computers to enter Credit Card numbers, as 
people standing behind could see, so we are looking into that as well
[2007-07-08 18:08:00] <bala> That's it
[2007-07-08 18:08:28] <Gareth> Great...Orv would you like to go next? 
What changes can people expect from PR?
[2007-07-08 18:08:33] <Orv> You bet.
[2007-07-08 18:09:14] <Orv> Folks, S5X continued the steady growth in 
both size and quality of SCALE.  You all are part of the reason that 
happens from year to year, and for that, we thank you!
[2007-07-08 18:09:36] <Orv> From a publicity standpoint, we got more, 
and better coverage of S5x both before, and after SCALE, than ever.
[2007-07-08 18:10:18] <Orv> But there's always room for improvement. 
We'd like to expand our media outlets, both hard and softcopy,. both 
written and audio.
[2007-07-08 18:10:43] <Orv> We have an excellent audio engineer on our 
staff, and we'd like to make more use of the audio promos he creates for us.
[2007-07-08 18:11:10] <Orv> If you have any ideas of better/more 
media/publicity outlets for us, please send your ideas along to 
o...@socallinuxexpo.com
[2007-07-08 18:11:34] <Orv> The first Publicity will go out in the next 
day or so.
[2007-07-08 18:11:39] <Orv> That's it, Gareth.
[2007-07-08 18:11:47] <Gareth> Thanks Orv..
[2007-07-08 18:11:48] * ilan arrives
[2007-07-08 18:11:53] <Gareth> ilan: why dont we move to you..
[2007-07-08 18:12:17] <Gareth> why dont you go ahead and announce the 
new dates for SCALE 6 as well as talk about changes with sponsorship for 
SCALE 6x
[2007-07-08 18:12:21] <ilan> lets change gears a bit.
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[2007-07-08 18:12:43] <ilan> Hello, everyone and welcome to the first 
planning meeting for SCALE 6x.
[2007-07-08 18:13:02] <ilan> we would  like to formally announce that 
SCALE will be held on Feb  8-11, 2008
[2007-07-08 18:13:40] <ilan> We are going to be at the same location 
again, the Westin LAX.
[2007-07-08 18:14:13] <ilan> there are a few items still being 
negotiatied, but we will be returning there.
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[2007-07-08 18:14:22] <ilan> welcome shyam
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[2007-07-08 18:15:16] <ilan> one of our top goals for this year, is to 
bring more people on to the SCALE team
[2007-07-08 18:15:28] <ilan> we would like to see a lot more community 
involvement
[2007-07-08 18:15:41] <ilan> on all committees
[2007-07-08 18:16:15] =-= Mode #scale-chat +v shyam by Gareth
[2007-07-08 18:16:27] <ilan> shyam just arrived, so this is perfect 
timing.  shyam is our speakers chair, and one of the items we'd like to 
discuss at the meeting today
[2007-07-08 18:16:37] <ilan> is what topics you would like to see covered
[2007-07-08 18:17:13] <ilan> ill let shyam take over from here and 
discuss the call for papers, where it stands, and then id like to see 
some of you guys chime in
[2007-07-08 18:17:20] <ilan> with what you want to see from us most
[2007-07-08 18:17:25] <shyam> sure thanks ilan....
[2007-07-08 18:17:57] <shyam> just in terms of logistics last year we 
had the CFP open on 20th july..this year we are aimin to b somewhere 
therabouts...16th july
[2007-07-08 18:18:34] <shyam> it should be up as soon as we can get an 
approval from all the scale-chairs
[2007-07-08 18:19:06] <shyam> while its become decidedly easier to get 
submissions....last year i believe we had close ot 90 submissions and we 
accepted about 36 odd
[2007-07-08 18:19:35] <shyam> it might be nice to discuss what are the 
hot topics that we might want to focus on this year
[2007-07-08 18:19:44] <shyam> virtualization still seems there and 
interesting
[2007-07-08 18:20:07] <shyam> maybe mobile linux is something that we 
can cover as well
[2007-07-08 18:21:01] <shyam> again we'll have a user/tutorials track 
focussed more on beginnings/people starting on linux...but hopefully can 
cover a different subset of topics as compared to what we have seen the 
past couple of years
[2007-07-08 18:21:54] <shyam> i was lookin at what was covered in tracks 
in some other linux conferences and it seemed that they were pretty much 
having similar coverage areas
[2007-07-08 18:22:19] <Gareth> *** Just a reminder to everyone, the 
channel is currently moderated.  Once we've finished the chairs 
projections..we'll open it up for questions, suggestions and discussion.
[2007-07-08 18:22:35] <ilan> shyam: is the current CFP draft available 
anywhere online at the moment?  we should let everyone take a quick look 
at it and provie their feed.
[2007-07-08 18:22:42] <ilan> *feedback
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[2007-07-08 18:23:03] <shyam> like what we have been having...VoIP, 
security, troubleshooting, admin tricks etc...i know these are somewhat 
broad but just a quick look at the talks we have had so far indicates 
that we are covering a good portion of the spectrum
[2007-07-08 18:23:25] <shyam> ilan: yes i can have it online just give 
me 1 min...someone else can take over while i do that
[2007-07-08 18:23:52] <Orv> shyam: We can put it on the web page later 
on tonight.
[2007-07-08 18:24:00] <ilan> later tonight is fine
[2007-07-08 18:24:04] <Gareth> I'll go ahead and jump in while shyam is 
busy..
[2007-07-08 18:26:05] <Gareth> From the Operations side of things, since 
the venue will remain the same, we're going to use that as an 
opportunity to focus on improving some of the details of SCALE...as Stu 
pointed out, we're looking into ways to improve the email garden.\
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[2007-07-08 18:26:26] <shyam> oops sorry to cut in but the cfp draft is 
up for temporary viewing at http://csed1.usc.edu/scale6x.pdf.....
[2007-07-08 18:27:38] <Gareth> From a Communtiy relations side, we're 
going to focus on recruiting some of the dotORG groups that we havent 
been able to get to SCALE before....as always if anyone has any 
suggestions on groups that they havent seen at SCALE yet, or advice on 
how to get those groups to SCALE...by all means, please let us know.
[2007-07-08 18:28:36] <Gareth> Thats all..we'll go ahead and open up for 
discussion now...thanks for listening and we hope everyone helps us make 
SCALE 6x bigger and better.
[2007-07-08 18:28:50] =-= Mode #scale-chat -m  by Gareth
[2007-07-08 18:29:03] <scubacuda> In which areas does the committee need 
the most help?
[2007-07-08 18:29:06] <cesman> Thanks to the SCALE staff for putting it 
together every year!
[2007-07-08 18:29:24] <smichelle> Can you confim S6x dates. Feb 8 
(Friday) through Feb 11 (Monday). Sessions 4 days?
[2007-07-08 18:29:26] <scubacuda> ditto -- SCaLE last few years has been 
great
[2007-07-08 18:29:33] <Gareth> smichelle: Feb 8-10th.
[2007-07-08 18:29:40] <ilan> that was a type.  SCALE will be Feb 8-10
[2007-07-08 18:29:52] <ilan> Friday - Sunnday as it has been in previous 
years
[2007-07-08 18:30:08] <rizzo> yes, thanls to staff... last year was my 
first... lookig forward to 6.
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California Linux Expo - http://www.socallinuxexpo.org - February 
8th-10th, 2008''
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[2007-07-08 18:30:42] <ilan> scubacuda: we are in need of more hands on 
our sponsorship team, contacting commercial exhibitors.  we call about 
300+ companies each year to discuss opportunites at SCALE
[2007-07-08 18:30:57] <timf> will there be focus areas like the OS in 
healthcare?
[2007-07-08 18:31:02] <MatthewG> Web committee could use some help if 
anyone has experience with CSS/PHP/HTML
[2007-07-08 18:31:15] <Gareth> scubacuda: in answer to your question, it 
depends on which area you want to focus on.  Our Tech Committee always 
needs hlep, we always need help day of for registration and this year 
we've opened up for sponsorship needs.
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[2007-07-08 18:31:36] * Orv could use a couple of good wordsmiths...
[2007-07-08 18:31:50] <Orv> or bloggers...
[2007-07-08 18:31:55] <bariswheel> It would be nice to see some folks in 
the medical industry address challenges, issues
[2007-07-08 18:32:02] <scubacuda> ilan: i work with lots of companies 
that would probably help with (e.g. attend, sponsor) SCaLE if they knew 
more about it.  Let's talk offline. scubac...@gmail.com
[2007-07-08 18:32:21] <ilan> scubacuda: will do thanks.
[2007-07-08 18:32:23] <Gareth> If you want to get involved, look at our 
committee page and email the chair of that committee....we're always 
looking for help.
[2007-07-08 18:32:47] <scubacuda> Gareth: Will look at that web page.  thx
[2007-07-08 18:32:51] <ilan> timf: we are looking at holding 2-3 events 
on Friday, similar to what we did last year with healthcare.
[2007-07-08 18:33:17] <ilan> the healthcare folks from last year have 
indicated they'd like to come back and host the Open Source Health Care 
Summit again.
[2007-07-08 18:33:32] <leiz> registration always need manpower to deal 
with the evergrowing lines in the morning
[2007-07-08 18:33:33] <Gareth> IN answer to a question that Im sure 
everyone has....we are looking to address the issue of overcrowded rooms 
during some of the speaking sessions.  the Westin has some larger rooms 
we can and will utilize.
[2007-07-08 18:33:51] <ilan> timf: I know you were interested in holding 
a Open Source in Education day at SCALE in 2008.  is that still of interest?
[2007-07-08 18:33:51] <MrWGW> I have a sort of general question, and 
that is, will there be anything done at SCALE 6x in recognition of the 
increasing popularity of Linux on the desktop?
[2007-07-08 18:34:02] <MrWGW> apparently increasing, I should say
[2007-07-08 18:34:04] <timf> ilan: absolutely!
[2007-07-08 18:34:17] <dlavigne> ilan: me too
[2007-07-08 18:34:25] <Orv> MrWGW: We're going to try to get the KDE 
developers there; S6X will be only a couple of months after the release 
of KDE4
[2007-07-08 18:34:32] <MrWGW> nice
[2007-07-08 18:34:52] <MrWGW> also the education idea is fantastic, 
given the OLPC and projects like Edubuntu
[2007-07-08 18:35:10] <Gareth> MrWGW: we're always trying to get most of 
hte major players in the Linux desktop world...we've had KDE and GNOME 
at the show, but Community Relations will be focusing on getting some of 
hte smaller desktop projects to the show as well.
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[2007-07-08 18:35:30] <Orv> timf had a suggestion for an education day; 
we'll look into pursuing it as a special session or something.
[2007-07-08 18:35:38] <MrWGW> and of course I might cynically observe 
that getting people to use open source early in their life increases the 
likelihood of them using it continually
[2007-07-08 18:36:15] <MrWGW> )although in my case i was really turned 
off by my experiences with Apple IIs at school, which were pathetic 
compared to the PC I used at home)
[2007-07-08 18:36:16] <ilan> MrWGW: :)
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[2007-07-08 18:36:22] <Gareth> MrWGW: there will definitely be a focus 
on open source at the elementary and earlier school level.
[2007-07-08 18:36:28] <scubacuda> MrWGW: one of our LUG members does 
just that (www.hawcenter.org)
[2007-07-08 18:36:29] <Orv> I had a request that we devote some at least 
one session to the impact of GPLv3; by S6X we'll have a better feel for 
what it's doing to the Open Source community.
[2007-07-08 18:36:46] <scubacuda> ditto on GPLv3
[2007-07-08 18:36:48] <Gareth> scubacuda: Thats Donna right?
[2007-07-08 18:36:53] <scubacuda> gareth: yeah
[2007-07-08 18:36:54] <MrWGW> having people from XFCE and Enlightenment 
and other desktops would be nice, btw, if you can pull it off
[2007-07-08 18:37:00] <smichelle> Is there a possibilty for a room 
devoted to introducing new users with hands on tutorials and software 
demonstration? It would require some desktops/laptops, but perhaps Dell 
could loan of a few of their new Linux boxes?
[2007-07-08 18:37:01] <Orv> And we'd very much like someone to talk 
about their "Open Source Success Story"; ideally a business, but we'll 
take whatever we can get.
[2007-07-08 18:37:09] * Orv would like that as a publicity lead-in to S6X.
[2007-07-08 18:37:10] <Gareth> MrWGW: noted.
[2007-07-08 18:37:14] <MrWGW> primarily so that I'll have a chance to 
meet the XFCE people and complain at them about how unneccessarily ugly 
their GUI artwork is :-P
[2007-07-08 18:37:18] <bariswheel> In addition to KDE presence (Aaron 
Seigo did a good job btw in an earlier SCALE), hearing Compiz Fusion 
developers would also add some color
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[2007-07-08 18:37:33] <MatthewG> MrWGW: :)
[2007-07-08 18:37:37] <MrWGW> that's an interesting website btw
[2007-07-08 18:37:43] <Orv> bariswheel: Excellent idea, espeically since 
they've recently 'unforked'...
[2007-07-08 18:37:54] <alex> Can we merge the email garden and a desktop 
evaluation thingy?
[2007-07-08 18:37:57] <MrWGW> oh that would be so awesome...
[2007-07-08 18:38:00] <Gareth> smichelle: thats a really good 
idea...we'll look ingo that.
[2007-07-08 18:38:07] <Gareth> alex: another good idea...
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[2007-07-08 18:38:09] <timf> smichelle: might be able to set up some 
LTSP for cheap try-it area  -
[2007-07-08 18:38:26] <alex> Make the email machines be thin clients 
that run the chooser to select among a bunch of servers that are 
offering different distributions and desktops.
[2007-07-08 18:38:26] <Orv> timf: Nice suggestion!
[2007-07-08 18:38:29] <StuartS> smichelle: Hardware is always hard to 
come by for the show, we are planing to try to use the email garden PCs 
for a os gaming demo / contest...
[2007-07-08 18:38:38] <MrWGW> I'm one of just a few people out there who 
actually believes that Compiz Fusion is critical to the future of Linux 
on the desktop...we have to have something compelling to compete with 
the eye candy in Vista and OS X
[2007-07-08 18:38:41] <ilan> alex: thats not a bad idea.  if we can get 
volunteers to assit. that would be the perfect lab settings too hold 
classes in
[2007-07-08 18:38:50] <shyam> smichelle: in fact the committee did talk 
about having a tutorial session last year but due to time and other 
resource logistics it didnt work out..but we will try and see if we can 
get something along those lines this year
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[2007-07-08 18:39:05] <MrWGW> oh btw where do the PCs in the e-mail 
garden and elsewhere come from?
[2007-07-08 18:39:16] <timf> shyam: I'd be interested in the tutorial area
[2007-07-08 18:39:22] <MrWGW> are those just loaned to SCALE for use 
during the conference?
[2007-07-08 18:39:38] <ilan> MrWGW: shuttle PC loans them to SCALE for 
conference use
[2007-07-08 18:39:50] <MrWGW> ok
[2007-07-08 18:39:56] <ilan> they have verbally committed to being back 
this year.
[2007-07-08 18:40:00] <shyam> timf: just to clarify you mean help in 
looking for speakers that that track?
[2007-07-08 18:40:00] <cpage> there are rumors flying that shuttle's 
going to be bought out by someone soon, though
[2007-07-08 18:40:07] <Orv> cpage: URL?
[2007-07-08 18:40:17] <MrWGW> well if for some reason they don't come 
back, you can borrow mine, but if they get scratched, you die
[2007-07-08 18:40:18] <bariswheel> MrWGW: I with you on that. Fusion 
blows away the new Vista UI
[2007-07-08 18:40:19] <cpage> theinquirer.net - hence merely rumor ;) 
maybe digitimes too
[2007-07-08 18:40:19] <MrWGW> :-P
[2007-07-08 18:40:24] <timf> shyam: yes, and supporting hardware or speaking
[2007-07-08 18:40:26] <Orv> cpage: Thanks.
[2007-07-08 18:40:32] <ilan> cpage: oh? do you have any further 
information on that?
[2007-07-08 18:40:38] <ilan> cpage: id be interested in learning more
[2007-07-08 18:40:52] <cpage> 
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40483
[2007-07-08 18:40:56] <ilan> MrWGW: heh, we can always try Dell if they 
dont.  thanks
[2007-07-08 18:41:03] <MrWGW> IMO it blows it away by virtue of being 
more customizable...I have an interesting OT story about the lack of 
user tweakbility of the XP Luna UI which I will share at another time
[2007-07-08 18:41:09] <shyam> timf: that'll be great, i can use all the 
help I can get...:-)...if you can send me an email then we can 
coordinate over that
[2007-07-08 18:41:15] <MrWGW> you might actually try Dell anyway
[2007-07-08 18:41:19] <ilan> cpage: thanks, ill read it tonight
[2007-07-08 18:41:30] <MrWGW> see if you couldn't get a few seperate 
manufacturers to provide PCs in competition with one another
[2007-07-08 18:41:31] <cpage> basically acer, ecs, and/or one of the 
asus spinoffs might want it
[2007-07-08 18:41:55] <timf> shyam: tfrich...@socal.rr.com
[2007-07-08 18:41:57] <Gareth> Really good ideas folks...keep them coming...
[2007-07-08 18:42:04] <yock> Dell might be interested in placing some of 
their Ubuntu installs at the premiere user-based Linux event in the 
country...
[2007-07-08 18:42:13] <MrWGW> yeah having Dell there would be awesome
[2007-07-08 18:42:15] <shyam> timf:noted!
[2007-07-08 18:42:15] <Orv> shyam: t...@socallinuxexpo.com  :-D
[2007-07-08 18:42:28] <MrWGW> IIRC Lenovo now preloads Suse Linux 
Enterprise Desktop on some ThinkPad T series units
[2007-07-08 18:42:31] <ilan> yock: we have some good contacts at Dell. 
I'll touch bases with them in the next few weeks.  im sure they'd be 
happy to help.
[2007-07-08 18:42:33] <cpage> nice
[2007-07-08 18:42:41] <scubacuda> One idea might be to put up wikis on 
the various sessions so that ppl could populate the wikis with various 
post-talk information. We've tried this sort of thing at other meetings, 
and it seems to work quite well (e.g. http://barcamp.org/beCamp)
[2007-07-08 18:42:42] <MrWGW> so it might also be worth giving them a call
[2007-07-08 18:42:49] * Orv hires all nicks as SCALE staff...
[2007-07-08 18:42:54] <cpage> is there a log of what i missed btw?
[2007-07-08 18:42:57] <Gareth> scubacuda: excellant idea..
[2007-07-08 18:43:05] <Gareth> cpage: im logging and we'll post it later.
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[2007-07-08 18:43:07] <cpage> cool
[2007-07-08 18:43:22] <MrWGW> interesting
[2007-07-08 18:43:36] <MrWGW> also have you thought of having a keynote 
speech?
[2007-07-08 18:43:44] <scubacuda> Gareth: for example, lots of people 
asked questions that rarely got fully answered (in the interests of 
time). It would be cool if SCaLE created a way to continue that 
discussion after the talk.
[2007-07-08 18:43:45] <MrWGW> or are you sticking to the seperate 
breakout sessions approach?
[2007-07-08 18:43:50] <Orv> MrWGW:Every year we talk about it.
[2007-07-08 18:43:56] <bariswheel> This might be tough to pull off, but 
having folks from Nvidia (wishful thinking, ATI) address issues about 
which particular bits of their software/hardware is challenging to open 
up, etc.. I can see this fostering healthy discussion amongst the community
[2007-07-08 18:43:56] <ilan> for those of you in SoCal, would there be 
interest in meeting in person to discuss some of these items further? 
possibly in early August?
[2007-07-08 18:44:01] <Orv> But we're more interested in getting down to 
the good stuff :-)
[2007-07-08 18:44:05] <scubacuda> gareth: and to create a resource that 
others who didn't attend the talk might be able to get a quick summary
[2007-07-08 18:44:07] <MrWGW> if you could get a Mark Shuttleworth or 
Ian Murdock to speak, I could see it working
[2007-07-08 18:44:10] <alex> If you're going to do a wiki for the 
sessions, make sure it is something multiuser since most of the content 
will be added in parallel.
[2007-07-08 18:44:28] <ilan> bariswheel: we haven't had much luck 
getting them to show up in the past.  we can always try again though
[2007-07-08 18:44:30] <timf> ilan: yes
[2007-07-08 18:44:34] <scubacuda> alex: good idea.
[2007-07-08 18:44:35] <cpage> baris - cool... and nvidia's officially 
neutral to the reverse engineering effort at least
[2007-07-08 18:45:02] <cpage> ati can't be coaxed out of their crumbling 
(thanks amd) ivory tower to comment
[2007-07-08 18:45:04] <alex> ilan:  I'll be at Oscon.  Is there a BOF 
for scale planned?
[2007-07-08 18:45:05] <Gareth> alex: good point.
[2007-07-08 18:45:08] <ilan> bariswheel: i would be interesting to get 
some of the f/loss projects behind the drivers out though
[2007-07-08 18:45:26] <bariswheel> ilan: if we can provide them the 
right incentives, theyĺl come, though I agree thatś the challenging part
[2007-07-08 18:45:35] <cpage> airfare usually helps
[2007-07-08 18:45:36] <cesman> man, this margarita is tasty!
[2007-07-08 18:45:36] <scubacuda> I'd also like to see more structured 
(i.e. planned) activities on Saturday night. Last year sorta fizzled 
(but in a somewhat entertaining way)
[2007-07-08 18:45:37] <ilan> alex: not at the moment, we have a booth 
though.  i can ask about setting up a bof.
[2007-07-08 18:46:10] <dlavigne> is there a scale booth at oscon?
[2007-07-08 18:46:13] <ilan> scubacuda: anything specific you'd like to 
us to provide?
[2007-07-08 18:46:18] <ilan> dlavigne: yes
[2007-07-08 18:46:25] <ilan> dlavigne: booth #923
[2007-07-08 18:46:25] <Gareth> scubacuda: thats one of the areas where 
we have plans to improve...
[2007-07-08 18:46:26] <MrWGW> oh btw, I was interested to note that 
NetBSD and FreeBSD were present at Scale 5x, but not OpenBSD, would that 
be just due to OpenBSD's general hatred of Linux?
[2007-07-08 18:46:27] <scubacuda> ilan: nothing in particular. the 
raffle was definitely fun, though.
[2007-07-08 18:46:27] <shyam> MrWGW: the keynote idea will be revisited 
this year, ideally we would like to have a keynote but last year we had 
a lot of good proposals and we figured that it might be more productive 
to avoid the keynote and add 3 more sessions instead...we will revisit 
that for this year as well...
[2007-07-08 18:46:40] <MrWGW> I also loved the late night sessions
[2007-07-08 18:46:45] <MrWGW> those were fun, interesting and kind of 
unusual
[2007-07-08 18:46:47] <Gareth> MrWGW: OpenBSD has never been very 
receptive to SCALE..
[2007-07-08 18:47:02] <ilan> MrWGW: mostly because of the Linux in our name
[2007-07-08 18:47:03] <MrWGW> unsuprising
[2007-07-08 18:47:08] <Gareth> MrWGW: they are invited each year and 
decline each year.
[2007-07-08 18:47:47] <MrWGW> a person whose will go unnamed told me 
that he went to SCALE because he thought it stood for "Southern 
California Alternative to Linux Expo"
[2007-07-08 18:47:59] <ilan> MrWGW: heh.
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[2007-07-08 18:48:01] <Gareth> MrWGW: hmm..interesting.
[2007-07-08 18:48:05] <cpage> lol
[2007-07-08 18:48:11] <MrWGW> and he was actually serious
[2007-07-08 18:48:26] <scubacuda> Topics I'd like to see more of (mainly 
b/c I work in these areas): virtualization, cross platform F/OSS tools, 
Linux in heterogenous environments
[2007-07-08 18:48:29] <cpage> well it could be seen as an alternative to 
linuxworld expo ;)
[2007-07-08 18:48:34] <dlavigne> gareth: who do you send the openbsd 
invitation to?
[2007-07-08 18:48:42] <dlavigne> there are some amenable members in that 
community
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[2007-07-08 18:49:06] <ilan> many of you work with Linux as your day 
job.  how do you think we can get your coworkers who use OSS as part of 
their day job to attend?  there a large number of corporate users who 
are very much uninvolved in the user group community and don't attend SCALE
[2007-07-08 18:49:21] <Gareth> dlavigne: usually directly to Theo...Id 
like to see them there and would be interested in a person with more 
interest...
[2007-07-08 18:49:32] <Orv> We never could figure out a good acronym for 
the "SoCal Free and Open Source Software Expo"  :-/
[2007-07-08 18:49:40] <dlavigne> gareth: ah, that's why. I'll ask around 
the people who actually like to do booths
[2007-07-08 18:49:41] <Orv> Besides everyone knows it as SCaLE now.
[2007-07-08 18:49:43] <MrWGW> the argument though that SCALE is some 
kind of Linux specific event to the exclusion of other open source 
operating system type projects is absurd, given that at 5x we had people 
from NetBSD, OpenBSD, Sun, and Haiku
[2007-07-08 18:49:47] <ilan> dlavigne: it would be great to see a talk 
by the *BSD folks.
[2007-07-08 18:49:50] <Gareth> dlavigne: excellant..thanks.
[2007-07-08 18:49:57] <Orv> MrWGW: and FSF ;-)
[2007-07-08 18:49:57] <scubacuda> ilan: my bet would be to have some 
sort of session on F/OSS equivs to proprietary software
[2007-07-08 18:50:02] <MrWGW> yes, I concurr ilan on that point
[2007-07-08 18:50:12] * MrWGW will refrain from commenting on GNU at 
this time
[2007-07-08 18:50:19] <MrWGW> ;)
[2007-07-08 18:50:22] <cesman> lol
[2007-07-08 18:50:24] <timf> ilan: focus on 'how-to' with concrete 
take-away that benefits them at work
[2007-07-08 18:50:54] <Orv> timf: SCALE's mission statement focuses on 
education; that lines up neatly with it.
[2007-07-08 18:51:02] <leiz> RMS wants us to be the So Cal GNU/Linux 
Expo - SCAGLE ;)
[2007-07-08 18:51:15] <scubacuda> ilan: people who don't already drink 
the F/OSS kool aid become interested in it when they find some "free" 
tool for something that they'd otherwise have to pay lots of money for 
(e.g. Gimp, OOo, Evolution, etc)
[2007-07-08 18:51:44] <MrWGW> Leiz: ha!
[2007-07-08 18:51:51] <timf> ilan: things like wireshark etc too
[2007-07-08 18:51:53] <scubacuda> leiz: just put SCAGLE on the invite 
you send him
[2007-07-08 18:52:02] <Gareth> A session (maybe a Friday one) focusing 
on Open Source success from some speakers from a few of the SCALE 
sponsors would help get people to SCALE, Friday events are typically 
easier to get a company to pay for since its during the work weel.
[2007-07-08 18:52:04] <ilan> scubacuda: im always suprirsed by the 
number of people who work as Linux admins for their day job, but have a 
general disdain for open-source and the community.
[2007-07-08 18:52:23] <scubacuda> ilan: what do you mean?
[2007-07-08 18:52:39] <MrWGW> what about the Busybox people?
[2007-07-08 18:52:46] <MrWGW> the talk about GNU reminded me of them
[2007-07-08 18:52:54] <timf> ilan: fwiw that's not limited to linux 
admins anymore
[2007-07-08 18:52:55] <ilan> scubacuda: people who make a living using 
Linux, but can't stand the open-source community aspect of it.
[2007-07-08 18:53:12] <ilan> timf: :)
[2007-07-08 18:53:14] <scubacuda> ilan: oh, yeah... i see those ppl too, 
but not very often, fortunately
[2007-07-08 18:53:22] <MrWGW> at SCALE 5x there was a promising-looking 
talk about modding consumer devices like Linksys routers, but I found it 
to be kind've boring, but it would be interesting to see more content on 
that
[2007-07-08 18:53:32] <MrWGW> things like busybox-using minidistros for 
routers, et cetera
[2007-07-08 18:53:40] <scubacuda> MrWGW: like dd-wrt?
[2007-07-08 18:53:45] <Orv> MrWGW: There's been a lot of interest in 
that lately; good idea.
[2007-07-08 18:53:47] <MrWGW> or Tomato, or Sveasoft
[2007-07-08 18:54:01] <timf> how about reaching out to small businesses?
[2007-07-08 18:54:02] <MrWGW> you might even see if Linksys wants to 
open a booth to sell the Linux-equipped WRT54GL router
[2007-07-08 18:54:11] <scubacuda> dd-wrt > sveasoft (from my experience)
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[2007-07-08 18:54:15] <cesman> if anyone is interested in a talk about 
Linux and home entertainment, I'm all over it
[2007-07-08 18:54:19] <cpage> i'm playing with opengl shaders a bit but 
i don't know if i'd have anything worth showing... but i might
[2007-07-08 18:54:21] <MrWGW> right...small businesses are among the 
most severe victims of proprietary software
[2007-07-08 18:54:30] <cpage> sveasoft's ideology sucks.
[2007-07-08 18:54:45] <MrWGW> I've never used Sveasoft so I can't 
comment, I use Tomato firmware
[2007-07-08 18:54:52] <Orv> cpage: Yeah, it's gotten them some bad 
publicity.
[2007-07-08 18:54:55] <Gareth> cesman: definately submit a paper when 
the CFP comes out.
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[2007-07-08 18:55:06] <xed2> ifoo and I were considering doing a talk on 
when and when not to use open source when consulting/working for small 
businesses as your clients
[2007-07-08 18:55:09] <xed2> anyone interested in that ?
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[2007-07-08 18:55:16] <cesman> Gareth: will do
[2007-07-08 18:55:25] <Orv> xed2: Submit it; we'll see.
[2007-07-08 18:55:33] <xed2> Cool deal
[2007-07-08 18:55:34] <scubacuda> xed2: interesting...i'd like to hear 
more. "when not to drink the kool aid"
[2007-07-08 18:55:37] <shyam> xed2: yes please do...
[2007-07-08 18:55:41] <xed2> I missed the whole presentation
[2007-07-08 18:55:42] <no_strings> cesman: I think the home 
entertainment angle is a good topic.  The KnoppMyth booth always has 
high traffic and the cutoff of the listing service has a lot of people 
talking.
[2007-07-08 18:55:49] <xed2> scubacuda: was that sarcasm ?
[2007-07-08 18:55:51] <dlavigne> orv: you mentioned wordsmiths. just for 
announcements or other stuff?
[2007-07-08 18:55:54] <MrWGW> if your client is Microsoft, presumably 
that would be a good time to show up with a laptop running Windows Vista
[2007-07-08 18:56:16] <Orv> dlavigne: pretty much.
[2007-07-08 18:56:19] <shyam> cesman: linux and home 
entertainment....yup we will be happy to explore that topic
[2007-07-08 18:56:25] <MrWGW> btw Microsoft retains more graphics design 
firms of disparate shapes and sizes than any other company I'm aware of, 
although P&G probably spends more money on graphics
[2007-07-08 18:56:30] <Orv> dlavigne: And I'm always looking for new 
outlets to post things on.
[2007-07-08 18:56:34] <scubacuda> xed2: somewhat.  i have this 
discussion with my coworkers all the time. I make most of my living with 
cisco and MS -- both proprietary software -- so i'm with you on some level
[2007-07-08 18:56:46] <xed2> scubacuda: I see
[2007-07-08 18:56:47] <MrWGW> that would also be interesting...a talk on 
Linux in the design world, but of course most designers will never part 
with their Crapintosh hardware
[2007-07-08 18:57:03] <ilan> do we have any artists in the channel?  i 
think ron (rover) would be interested in getting some assistance with 
graphic design this year.
[2007-07-08 18:57:26] <MrWGW> well, I do a lot of work in that area, as 
I have a branding/design/marketing consultancy
[2007-07-08 18:57:26] <Orv> ilan: timf had given him some assistance 
last year, but we can always use more.
[2007-07-08 18:57:30] <timf> ilan: I'm not an artist, but willing to 
help as best I can
[2007-07-08 18:57:41] <scubacuda> ilan: there are lots of cool 
multimedia tools that are F/OSS based...maybe a session on that.
[2007-07-08 18:57:43] <smichelle> ilan, I'm not an artist, but I've done 
some graphic design and could help.
[2007-07-08 18:57:43] <ilan> timf: heh, the work you did last year 
counts as "art" in my book :)
[2007-07-08 18:57:44] <MrWGW> and am an AIGA, so yes
[2007-07-08 18:57:53] <Orv> timf: Seems like you might sucked into the 
Tech Committee this year ;-)
[2007-07-08 18:58:05] <MrWGW> you know whats annoying about 
Inkscape...it could easily replace Adobe Illustrator, were it not for 
its lack of support for spot colors
[2007-07-08 18:58:06] <timf> ilan: ooo, get a better book :-)
[2007-07-08 18:58:24] <ilan> Orv: sounds like we'll have him more than 
busy this year. especially if he signs on to help with the open source 
educaiton sessions
[2007-07-08 18:58:40] <Orv> Yep.
[2007-07-08 18:58:40] <bariswheel> A technical talk on how to transform 
a small business Windows run IT shop to one running completely open 
source software/linux would be a very good talk. It might attract small 
business that who have had their data locked by proprietary 
software/hardware incentive to attend
[2007-07-08 18:58:42] <MrWGW> IMO if a forum could be created where 
professional designers and print people could share their needs with the 
GIMP, Inkscape and Scribus people, that would be awesome
[2007-07-08 18:58:51] <MrWGW> that could rock baris
[2007-07-08 18:58:54] <Orv> bariswheel: Yes, but we need a success story 
to validate that.
[2007-07-08 18:59:15] <scubacuda> or how F/OSS can help small biz 
environments that are at the Microsoft Small Business Server level
[2007-07-08 18:59:32] <timf> bariswheel: I think we need to cover the 
business "why" as part of the "how"
[2007-07-08 18:59:37] <shyam> bariswhell: again something that we are 
constantly on a lookout for...
[2007-07-08 18:59:39] <dlavigne> I can get success stories, but they'll 
probably be Canadian
[2007-07-08 18:59:42] * Hawkwind Pokes xed2 just for fun
[2007-07-08 18:59:47] <bariswheel> I am always hearing news left and 
right on countries tranforming their infrastructure and saving tons of 
money, those would be good cases to cover
[2007-07-08 18:59:58] <scubacuda> bariswheel: like Cuba and Venezuela...?
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[2007-07-08 19:00:02] <Orv> bariswheel: Yeah, but it's a US show; we 
need US success stories...
[2007-07-08 19:00:02] <timf> orv: Indiana schools system is a pretty 
great success story
[2007-07-08 19:00:07] <cpage> sweet
[2007-07-08 19:00:11] <Orv> timf: Yeah, I saw that.
[2007-07-08 19:00:16] <JasonR> Would it be possible to ask vendors who 
are presenting to keep more to the OS side of things and less to 
promoting their product?
[2007-07-08 19:00:24] <ilan> Orv: wasn't kim brand involved with that?
[2007-07-08 19:00:25] <MrWGW> well SoCalAMA, at my sole instance, and 
against some resistance, is switching to open source software...when we 
buy a laptop later this month, it, and our paid executive director, will 
start using Linux
[2007-07-08 19:00:30] <cpage> there's probably room for an asus 
eee/folio talk - both of those should be out well before scale.
[2007-07-08 19:00:31] <smichelle> timf, "Why" is more important than 
"How" becuase that comes first :)
[2007-07-08 19:00:34] <Orv> ilan: Was he Indiana?
[2007-07-08 19:00:39] <ilan> Orv: i think so
[2007-07-08 19:00:39] <cpage> and the wifi openmoko might just be out 
then ;)
[2007-07-08 19:00:42] <MrWGW> to some extent though JasonR there is a 
real need for them to feel comfortable and feel like they are getting 
some ROI
[2007-07-08 19:01:02] <JasonR> MrWGW, yes, but that should be the booth 
more than the presentation.
[2007-07-08 19:01:07] <Gareth> dlavigne: open source success stories 
from outside the US are great...they're good for reminding people how 
things should be here :)
[2007-07-08 19:01:09] <cpage> (speaking of the first version is finally 
up for sale)
[2007-07-08 19:01:09] <MrWGW> that said, there were some annoying 
vendors, like this one computer repair outfit, that were in businesses 
that weren't terribly Linux-relevant
[2007-07-08 19:01:21] <MrWGW> ooh I see what you're saying Jason, yes, I 
agree
[2007-07-08 19:01:30] <shyam> JasonR: yes we have this issue in a couple 
of talks...the problem in some cases is that the abstract and the 
ensuing discussions do indicate that they will not do a product market 
but int he end it still ends up thta way...we have learnt from our prior 
experiences and will try to avoid that this year!
[2007-07-08 19:01:31] <scubacuda> economic reasons that a whole country 
would switch -- now that would be interesting to hear (e.g. creating 
jobs, differences in wages, etc)
[2007-07-08 19:01:49] <Gareth> *** Those interested in helping out our 
Art team for SCALE 6x, please email rgo...@socallinuxexpo.org ***
[2007-07-08 19:01:55] <MrWGW> btw I noticed that Dell, IBM and Sun were 
present but HP, in spite of claiming to sell more Linux servers than 
anyone, was absent
[2007-07-08 19:02:01] <MrWGW> have you tried getting them on board?
[2007-07-08 19:02:14] <Gareth> MrWGW: HP contacted SCALE t he week 
before the event.
[2007-07-08 19:02:16] * MrWGW makes a note to do that, thank you Gareth
[2007-07-08 19:02:20] <ilan> MrWGW: HP was present last year.  not in 
full force, but they did buy SCALE attendees coffee and cookies :)
[2007-07-08 19:02:47] <scubacuda> ilan: are clubs allowed to bring food 
and drink?  or is that against the hotel policy?
[2007-07-08 19:02:52] <MrWGW> I just didn't see them, I had worried that 
they had snubbed it or some such, but that didn't seem to gel with the 
experiences I've had with some outstanding HP employees
[2007-07-08 19:03:09] <ilan> scubacuda: we aren't allowed to sell food, 
but you are welcome to bring your own.
[2007-07-08 19:03:17] <MrWGW> I'm not an HP fan in terms of their 
hardware, but they have some awesome people, and it would be nice to see 
HP out in full force at SCALE
[2007-07-08 19:03:30] <scubacuda> ilan: bring and share -- like bring a 
lot and give out at a booth?
[2007-07-08 19:03:32] <Gareth> scubacuda: depends on the food...certain 
things they dont mind, most exhibitors bring in candy and snacks for 
attendees.
[2007-07-08 19:03:47] * cesman hopes we don't have any more electrical 
problems ;)
[2007-07-08 19:04:06] <ilan> scubacuda: depends on what i guess... there 
are insurance issues for SCALE too if its a lot of food or full meals. 
due to liability.
[2007-07-08 19:04:08] <Gareth> cesman: an area we will most definitely 
focus on improving for SCALE 6 :)
[2007-07-08 19:04:16] <cesman> lol
[2007-07-08 19:04:17] <alex> BTW:  The drinks services at the Westin 
were sufficiently obnoxious and surly last year people where heading out 
of the hotel to get a cuppa.  It seems to be an opportunity for general 
sponsorship (in the expo hall) that was missed.  Having an open area in 
the back of the expo hall encourages people to hang around and chat over 
a cuppa instead of buggering off.
[2007-07-08 19:04:19] <MrWGW> I found the food in the restaurant 
overpriced and annoying, but show me a hotel that doesn't have a lousy 
restaurant...
[2007-07-08 19:04:32] <Gareth> alex: Noted.  thank you.
[2007-07-08 19:04:33] <ilan> candy and small treats are one thing. 
giving away or selling lunch could get us in to trouble if you forget to 
nuke that hotdog first :)
[2007-07-08 19:04:37] <cesman> what is a cuppa?
[2007-07-08 19:04:37] <scubacuda> ilan: I guess Baked Alaska might be 
out of the question then, liability-wise
[2007-07-08 19:04:42] <bariswheel> I had also noticed people a bit 
uncomfortable with the air conditioning, perhaps the large amount of 
people added a lot more heat to the rooms than expected
[2007-07-08 19:04:44] <Orv> MrWGW: The Subway sandwich shop did a 
booming business on Saturday; we'll give them a heads-up prior this year.
[2007-07-08 19:04:45] <MrWGW> weren't there bottles of water et cetera 
in the foyer?
[2007-07-08 19:04:55] <MrWGW> or was that another conference I went to...
[2007-07-08 19:05:01] <Gareth> alex: we had regular coffee services but 
we'll step that up a bit in the morning for next year.
[2007-07-08 19:05:03] * cesman hopes to get a room next year...
[2007-07-08 19:05:09] <ilan> scubacuda: yes, i think it would :)
[2007-07-08 19:05:10] <Orv> cesman: "cuppa" coffee... ;-)
[2007-07-08 19:05:14] <cesman> if so, I'll make margaritas in the room
[2007-07-08 19:05:14] <MrWGW> I go to so many they all kind of mesh 
together into a massive indeterminate amorphous blob of people
[2007-07-08 19:05:21] * cesman doesn't drink coffee
[2007-07-08 19:05:24] <tking> When can I reserve my room?
[2007-07-08 19:05:30] * tking missed that part.
[2007-07-08 19:05:58] <ilan> tking: starting in August, i believe.
[2007-07-08 19:05:59] <Gareth> tking: the dates for S6X are in the topic..
[2007-07-08 19:06:08] <ilan> tking: assuming you mean hotel rooms
[2007-07-08 19:06:14] <tking> hotel room.
[2007-07-08 19:06:15] <tking> yes
[2007-07-08 19:06:16] <scubacuda> i'd also like to make sure that the 
speakers are better speakers. e.g. repeating the questions, releasing 
their slides, talking into the mics, etc.
[2007-07-08 19:06:28] <MrWGW> oh btw, I have a really slightly insane 
suggestion that probably wouldn't work
[2007-07-08 19:06:30] <shyam> scubacuda: noted
[2007-07-08 19:06:45] <MrWGW> what would you think about having some 
people from the proprietary world give a talk explaining things from 
their perspective?
[2007-07-08 19:06:49] <Gareth> MrWGW: most of mine are usaully insane 
and most think they wont work.
[2007-07-08 19:06:51] <MrWGW> in the interest of fairness
[2007-07-08 19:06:55] <ilan> scubacuda: many of the slides and audio are 
on the SCALE site btw
[2007-07-08 19:07:01] <Gareth> MrWGW: a panel debate might be interesting.
[2007-07-08 19:07:13] <alex> cesman:  cuppa is usually tea for certain 
ethnicities ...
[2007-07-08 19:07:27] <MrWGW> or if you coud arrange to facilitate the 
implementation of Stu's idea for a faceoff between Ballmer and RMS
[2007-07-08 19:07:28] <scubacuda> ilan: also, not to sound anal...but 
some of the ppl introducing the speakers don't give the ppl a good intro.
[2007-07-08 19:07:30] <MrWGW> *could
[2007-07-08 19:07:38] <yock> I wonder if Ernie Ball might be willing to 
give a "Five Years Later" retrospective at SCALE.
[2007-07-08 19:07:47] <Gareth> MrWGW: that would most likley be difficult.
[2007-07-08 19:07:52] <ilan> scubacuda: sounds like you need to join 
shyam's committee and help with that :)
[2007-07-08 19:07:52] <Gareth> yock: that *would* be interesting.
[2007-07-08 19:07:58] <JasonR> yock, are they still using Linux?
[2007-07-08 19:08:04] <MrWGW> indeed
[2007-07-08 19:08:13] <leiz> scubacuda: on that note, we really should 
have a couple people in every room to look after things
[2007-07-08 19:08:25] <scubacuda> ilan: shoot me over his email address: 
scubacuda @ gmail.com
[2007-07-08 19:08:31] <leiz> if you ever watched the videos from 
linux.conf.au ...
[2007-07-08 19:08:33] <yock> JasonR: The most recent mention I could 
find was CEO Ball himself in their forums, posted in 2005. Linux was 
still strong then.
[2007-07-08 19:08:38] <yock> Also...
[2007-07-08 19:08:46] <ilan> scubacuda: kapa...@socallinuxexpo.org
[2007-07-08 19:08:46] <scubacuda> (i also realize that sometimes things 
are slammed together, and that speakers don't always get their info in 
promptly)
[2007-07-08 19:08:57] <scubacuda> ilan: noted, thx
[2007-07-08 19:09:02] <MrWGW> what is interesting about teh Australian 
conference?
[2007-07-08 19:09:02] <yock> They have a job posted right now for a 
"Unix, Linux, Solaris, and Macintosh" admin
[2007-07-08 19:09:13] <shyam> scubacuda: yup volunteers on the day off 
is always an issue...we try to get as many as we can but its always a 
struggle...ideally we would like to have people giving introductions so 
that they are very clear and crisp and have it rehearsed but have not 
been in that envious position so far...but we will try and improve on 
that this year
[2007-07-08 19:09:13] <tking> Gareth: our LUG including stephanie wants 
to do podcasts of the talks for after the conference is over?
[2007-07-08 19:09:19] <ilan> scubacuda: check the hotel lobby the night 
before SCALE, you'll find all th speakers working on their slides heh
[2007-07-08 19:09:23] * cesman has food on the grill
[2007-07-08 19:09:24] <yock> conspicuously absent is the need for 
Windows administration
[2007-07-08 19:09:25] <cesman> bbl
[2007-07-08 19:09:27] <tking> if thats appropraite.
[2007-07-08 19:09:32] <Gareth> tking: Okay. email me details..we'll talk.
[2007-07-08 19:09:35] <scubacuda> how about a separate area for jobs?
[2007-07-08 19:09:37] <tking> okay
[2007-07-08 19:09:40] <alex> What are the chances of an airline 
sponsoring by providing a discount code?
[2007-07-08 19:09:41] <scubacuda> that might get certain companies 
interested
[2007-07-08 19:09:50] <MrWGW> airlines offer special conference fairs
[2007-07-08 19:09:51] <cpage> i'm thinking nslu2's with a[/v] equipment 
and storage... audio would be pretty straightforward
[2007-07-08 19:09:52] <JasonR> shyam, I'm happy to help with 
introductions if you'd like.
[2007-07-08 19:09:54] <leiz> MrWGW: they have volunteers in the rooms 
to properly introduce the speakers, make sure attendees who ask 
questions get a mic, watch the time to make sure the speaker isn't 
running over, etc.
[2007-07-08 19:09:54] <Gareth> alex: good idea..we can look into that.
[2007-07-08 19:09:58] <yock> alex: As I live in Cincinnati, I like the 
sound of that =)
[2007-07-08 19:10:14] <MrWGW> oh dang it I figured they got rowdy, hence 
the need for supervision
[2007-07-08 19:10:20] <scubacuda> like a certain job posting board, 
etc...or a place where interested *nix users could leave their 
information to be freely contacted by the headhunters who attend
[2007-07-08 19:10:24] <shyam> JasonR: i have u down as covering one of 
the speaker rooms;)
[2007-07-08 19:10:25] <MrWGW> I was really looking forward to seeing 
some online videos of an open source barfight
[2007-07-08 19:10:26] <MrWGW> ;-P
[2007-07-08 19:10:27] <ilan> alex: we investigated that last year. the 
discounts were minimal compared to what you could find on a typical 
travel site (travelocity)
[2007-07-08 19:10:30] <ilan> etc
[2007-07-08 19:10:42] <MrWGW> also one might argue that the regional 
nature of SCALE makes that irrelevant anyway
[2007-07-08 19:10:45] <scubacuda> that might make SCaLE something more 
interesting to businesses
[2007-07-08 19:10:51] <ilan> scubacuda: thats not a bad idea. we had a 
white board / peg board last year but it didn't see much use
[2007-07-08 19:11:10] <ilan> scubacuda: we've also discussed doing a job 
fair during one of the evenings
[2007-07-08 19:11:19] -->| johnjay (~r...@nvader.sh.nu) has joined 
#scale-chat
[2007-07-08 19:11:23] <scubacuda> ilan: headhunters call me all the time 
asking for ppl who do certain types of *nix stuff, and i'd rather them 
talk directly to the ppl who want/need work.
[2007-07-08 19:11:30] <johnjay> hi2all
[2007-07-08 19:11:35] <MrWGW> oh btw why not make people who insist on 
using Windows or Apple laptops during SCALE wear buttons that say "I'm 
An Idiot" ?
[2007-07-08 19:11:43] <MrWGW> sorry, slightly facetious suggestion, but...
[2007-07-08 19:11:43] <Gareth> johnjay: evening..welcome to #scale-chat
[2007-07-08 19:11:56] <Gareth> MrWGW: that might be bad for attendance :P
[2007-07-08 19:12:07] <timf> ilan: how about a "find some help/find a 
gig" page on the site -
[2007-07-08 19:12:08] <ilan> scubacuda: agreed.  ive half jokingly 
considered creating a SCALE job board on the site based on the number of 
recruiters who call us daily.
[2007-07-08 19:12:10] <MrWGW> to be fair though I booted up Windows at 
one point to demonstrate VMWare, and a Tablet PC app that I want to see 
cloned
[2007-07-08 19:12:18] <mproctor> Was there an opensource bar fight that 
I missed?
[2007-07-08 19:12:54] <MrWGW> oh btw, if WiiLi is successful in time for 
SCALE 6x, it would be awesome if that could be demoed
[2007-07-08 19:12:58] <ilan> timf: ya, its really not a bad idea. 
recruiters call us all the time asking where they can hire good Linux 
admins or developers.
[2007-07-08 19:13:06] <scubacuda> what area of SCaLE needs the most 
boosting?  Attendance? Commercial sponsorship? Volunteers? Talks?
[2007-07-08 19:13:10] <johnjay> are wifi download rates going to be any 
better this year?
[2007-07-08 19:13:10] <MrWGW> they may or may not be, but I suspect 
Nintendo's WiiWare initiative will result in the Wii becoming a lot 
easier to hack
[2007-07-08 19:13:12] <Gareth> MrWGW: noted.  I'll look into it as we 
get closer to SCALE.
[2007-07-08 19:13:28] <alex> Are there enough companies, among those 
that generally sponsor, to staff up the conference A/V support from 
their qualified employees that would like to attend the talks in any case?
[2007-07-08 19:13:29] <timf> ilan: they could sponsor, but free to 
people asking for help?
[2007-07-08 19:13:32] <ilan> (speaking of which. off topic, but if 
you're interested in a Linux sysadmin position please ping me 
i...@socallinuxexpo.org  my employer has a few positions open )
[2007-07-08 19:13:36] <MrWGW> Nintendo may even agree to let WiiLi be 
distributed via the WiiWare download system, which would be awesome, but 
I doubt it will happen
[2007-07-08 19:13:42] <smichelle> MrWGW brings up an interesting point. 
Is SCALE still considered regional? Seems like SCALE has expanded 
somewhat. Are there any general plans for international speakers?
[2007-07-08 19:13:56] <ilan> timf: ya, not a bad idea.
[2007-07-08 19:14:01] <cpage> nobody's broken wii security yet... have they?
[2007-07-08 19:14:08] <cpage> (except for pirate disks)
[2007-07-08 19:14:16] <alex> (my employer does too, funnily enough)
[2007-07-08 19:14:19] <scubacuda> The Inland Empire area (Redlands, 
Riverside, Temecula, etc) is growing. I'd like to hear more about 
emerging clubs, but not sure the best way to do that.
[2007-07-08 19:14:19] <ilan> cpage: not that i know of....
[2007-07-08 19:14:25] <akk> smichelle: Lots of regions don't have any 
decent linux conferences, so even if SCALE is regional, some 
out-of-region people will be interested.
[2007-07-08 19:14:28] <ilan> alex: heh, when aren't they ? :)
[2007-07-08 19:14:29] <MrWGW> Regional though is not neccessarily bad
[2007-07-08 19:14:51] <MrWGW> actually I think cpage the problem is more 
with the Wii platform just being alien and undocumented to the point 
where getting code to run on it is non trivial
[2007-07-08 19:15:00] <MrWGW> and also there's probably some DRM in 
terms of game loading
[2007-07-08 19:15:12] <shyam> smichelle: usually we do have a budget 
allocated for speaker travel and lodging but its mostly for within the 
US...Jono Bacon has been down from UK the past 2 years but resource 
constraints dont generally allow us to provide sponsorship for 
international travel...having said that if Linus wants to come we will 
get him what he wants:P
[2007-07-08 19:15:20] <MrWGW> but the Wii's USB ports and SD card 
reader, as well as its WiFi, are all attack vectors IMO
[2007-07-08 19:15:20] <Gareth> smichelle: we had a few international 
speakers last year...a few of the WIOS speakers were, dlavigne is from 
Canada.  we had a few of them from Germany and UK as well.
[2007-07-08 19:15:23] <cpage> the wii platform itself is mostly an 
upscaled gamecube though and there was some gamecube linux
[2007-07-08 19:15:24] <MrWGW> and WiiWare will make it that much easier
[2007-07-08 19:15:32] <cpage> yeah... wiiware might break it open
[2007-07-08 19:15:47] <scubacuda> at 5x, the dude at from OpenVZ was 
from Russia
[2007-07-08 19:15:47] <Gareth> shyam: have you heard anything from Jono 
regarding SCALE 6?
[2007-07-08 19:15:52] <MrWGW> I find it noteworthy btw that all three of 
the current generation of consoles are somewhat open
[2007-07-08 19:15:56] <cpage> that said the ds is completely blown open 
so i don't doubt that wii'll suffer the same fate eventually
[2007-07-08 19:16:03] <ilan> Jono will be at SCALE its on his calendar
[2007-07-08 19:16:05] <yock> I wonder if Jono would be willing to do a 
LUG Radio segment from SCALE
[2007-07-08 19:16:06] <shyam> gareth: not yet but i suspect that he will 
b there in 6x as well :-)
[2007-07-08 19:16:16] <Gareth> shyam: excellant.
[2007-07-08 19:16:20] <MrWGW> the PS3 runs Linux, and the XBox supports 
independent games...a sure condemnation of the ultimate worthlessness of 
closed platform systems
[2007-07-08 19:16:24] <Gareth> yock: thats a good idea..
[2007-07-08 19:16:38] <ilan> shyam: he said its on his calendar and he'd 
like to attend whether or not he speaks
[2007-07-08 19:16:40] <yock> He has always done a review
[2007-07-08 19:16:41] <cpage> if ps3 linux had nvdriver it would 
actually mean something
[2007-07-08 19:17:08] <Gareth> yock: perhaps if you're able to attend 
S6X and Jono is interested in doing that, you can team up with him on it?
[2007-07-08 19:17:08] <MrWGW> well IIRC there is something in the PS3 
hardware that locks it out but don't quote me on that
[2007-07-08 19:17:08] <shyam> ilan: yup thats good to know...one way or 
another we will like him to b there..hes been really great!
[2007-07-08 19:17:22] <cpage> they can't open up the rsx because it was 
grafted on and would break the security model
[2007-07-08 19:17:23] <Gareth> shyam: maybe mention the LUG Radio live 
idea to Jono when you contact him...
[2007-07-08 19:17:24] <MrWGW> also IIRC you can install any PPC distro 
on the PS3, its not exclusive to YDL
[2007-07-08 19:17:39] <shyam> gareth: sure will do
[2007-07-08 19:17:40] <cpage> yeah
[2007-07-08 19:17:47] <yock> Gareth: I'll know more in a few months if I 
can come out. If he's hip to the idea, I'd be eager to coordinate with him.
[2007-07-08 19:17:48] <MrWGW> demoing a PS3 running Linux would of 
course be less compelling than demoing a Wii with Linux
[2007-07-08 19:17:58] <cpage> ps3 was demoed this year @ gentoo anyhow ;)
[2007-07-08 19:18:08] * MrWGW did not know that
[2007-07-08 19:18:13] <MrWGW> at 5x?
[2007-07-08 19:18:15] <MrWGW> was Gentoo there?
[2007-07-08 19:18:16] <cpage> yeah
[2007-07-08 19:18:17] <Gareth> yock: awesome..I think that woul dbe a 
fun thing or S6X
[2007-07-08 19:18:19] <ilan> yock: i think he played our promo last year 
too.  (the one you made)
[2007-07-08 19:18:20] <MrWGW> I was totally oblivous to their presence I 
guess
[2007-07-08 19:18:26] * johnjay was across the Gentoo booth @ PostgreSQL
[2007-07-08 19:18:42] <Gareth> MrWGW: Gentoo was there.
[2007-07-08 19:18:44] <scubacuda> MrWGW: gentoo was there last year
[2007-07-08 19:18:54] <MrWGW> good to note
[2007-07-08 19:19:03] <JasonR> I would like to hear more from PostgreSQL.
[2007-07-08 19:19:04] <scubacuda> MrWGW: they were in the back left 
corner of the room, if I remember right
[2007-07-08 19:19:07] <ilan> yock: ted heager wanted to do a similar 
show at SCALE this year, but hes not at novell any more so that will 
probably not happen
[2007-07-08 19:19:08] <yock> ilan: I sent it to him, but I never heard 
back from them.
[2007-07-08 19:19:32] <johnjay> JasonR: there were supposed to be just 
more than me here...anybody else here from postgres?
[2007-07-08 19:19:39] <MrWGW> will Novell be there again (I hope)?
[2007-07-08 19:19:43] <Gareth> SCALE 5x had all the major dotORG Linux 
distrutions in attendance.
[2007-07-08 19:19:57] <ilan> MrWGW: i believe so.  we're going to start 
contacting companies in the next few weeks.
[2007-07-08 19:20:10] <MrWGW> there are some new ones that it might be 
nice to have this time around
[2007-07-08 19:20:14] <ilan> MrWGW: as i mentioned before we're looking 
for more people on the SCALE sales team :)
[2007-07-08 19:20:15] <JasonR> johnjay, I mean at SCALE 6x.  ;-)  I like 
your product and would like to see a presentation on it.
[2007-07-08 19:20:15] <MrWGW> was PCLinuxOS represented?
[2007-07-08 19:20:22] <MrWGW> also Mint Linux is another new one that 
seems to be getting alot of press
[2007-07-08 19:20:23] <yock> Now, Ted did e-mail me back last year, very 
enthusiastically I might add
[2007-07-08 19:20:32] <Gareth> johnjay: Josh emailed me saying he would 
be unable to attend...but someone noted that Postgresql would be at 
LinuxWorld...
[2007-07-08 19:20:39] <yock> Is Haeger still involved with FOSS?
[2007-07-08 19:20:39] <Gareth> MrWGW: No...
[2007-07-08 19:20:47] <johnjay> JasonR: ah, i believe there was a live 
mysql comparison demo
[2007-07-08 19:21:02] <johnjay> i need to talk to josh and david and 
figure out what is going on
[2007-07-08 19:21:05] <MrWGW> well I have to eat
[2007-07-08 19:21:06] <JasonR> I must have missed that.
[2007-07-08 19:21:07] <MrWGW> but it sounds interesting
[2007-07-08 19:21:08] <MrWGW> bye
[2007-07-08 19:21:14] <ilan> yock: hes working for bungee labs now. 
they create development tools.  not open-source though
[2007-07-08 19:21:17] <scubacuda> MrWGW: Mint is one of the many 
Ubuntu-based distros that are gaining traction.
[2007-07-08 19:21:19] <johnjay> JasonR: it's in the works for 6x iirc
[2007-07-08 19:21:34] <johnjay> a bit difficult to demo a dbms :-o
[2007-07-08 19:22:00] <dlavigne> gareth: do you do an announcement on 
the postgres mailing list re: cfp?
[2007-07-08 19:22:08] <Gareth> dlavigne: we will.
[2007-07-08 19:22:08] <ilan> dlavigne: we have in the past.
[2007-07-08 19:22:10] <scubacuda> on a a side note, the dude who did the 
iptables talk last year did a good job of showing cool stuff without 
making the whole talk about his company
[2007-07-08 19:22:27] <Gareth> dlavigne: we usually try to get the CFP 
out to as many open source related lists as possible.
[2007-07-08 19:22:32] <dlavigne> k
[2007-07-08 19:22:34] <scubacuda> (those are the types of company talks 
i like to see)
[2007-07-08 19:22:57] <shyam> scubacuda: ditto:)
[2007-07-08 19:22:59] <Gareth> dlavigne: if you're on a list that you 
havent seen it posted to...by all means, pass it along.
[2007-07-08 19:23:16] <dlavigne> k
[2007-07-08 19:23:23] <ilan> scubacuda: agreed.  we encourage speakers 
to run their talks that way.
[2007-07-08 19:23:23] <Gareth> dlavigne: thanks.
[2007-07-08 19:23:54] <scubacuda> ilan: i don't really have any 
complains in that dept.  none of the speakers, i felt, really hijacked 
the talk.
[2007-07-08 19:24:02] <Gareth> Since LinuxWorld has been mentioned a few 
times...is anyone planning to attend this year?
[2007-07-08 19:24:12] <scubacuda> gareth: in Boston or SF?
[2007-07-08 19:24:18] <Gareth> scubacuda: SF
[2007-07-08 19:24:22] <alex> I'll be at SFO.
[2007-07-08 19:24:30] <scubacuda> gareth: might be worth checking out
[2007-07-08 19:24:50] <Gareth> alex: ah cool..I'll be up for the first 
two days of the exhibits...I'll an eye out for you.
[2007-07-08 19:24:52] <ilan> I'll be at SFO, if anyone would like to 
help me walk the floor and pimp SCALE
[2007-07-08 19:25:05] <Gareth> alex: will you be at the Google booth?
[2007-07-08 19:25:21] <scubacuda> ilan: a purple hat and feather should 
help you do that.
[2007-07-08 19:25:25] <Gareth> alex: er..keep an eye out for you.
[2007-07-08 19:25:29] <bariswheel> Ilan: I will be at linuxworld
[2007-07-08 19:25:40] <ilan> bariswheel: cool, lets meet up.
[2007-07-08 19:25:52] <alex> gareth:  I'll be giving a talk about SRE on 
Wednesday at lunchtime.  Other than that, I'll probably be wandering the 
floor.
[2007-07-08 19:25:52] <ilan> ill be there for the 7th and 8th
[2007-07-08 19:26:06] <Gareth> alex: excellant.
[2007-07-08 19:26:09] <scubacuda> alex: Google's SRE?
[2007-07-08 19:26:28] <yock> How would the community feel about Birds of 
a Feather?
[2007-07-08 19:26:33] <alex> scubacuda: yep.
[2007-07-08 19:26:36] <scubacuda> alex: just got interviewed (and shot 
down!) by SRE. :b
[2007-07-08 19:26:40] <ilan> yock: at SCALE?
[2007-07-08 19:26:46] <Gareth> yock: we did BoFs last year, they were 
very well received.
[2007-07-08 19:26:47] <scubacuda> yock: I think those sessions went very 
well
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[2007-07-08 19:26:54] <yock> I know it always seems like a good idea, 
but I'm curious as to how much attention it receives in practice
[2007-07-08 19:27:05] <yock> oh yeah?
[2007-07-08 19:27:06] <ilan> yock: we had a good number of them last year.
[2007-07-08 19:27:25] <yock> We had them last year at Ohio Linuxfest, 
and it really wasn't noticeable
[2007-07-08 19:27:26] <Gareth> yock: Yup...we did them both days...8 
sessions...all of them were full and very popular.
[2007-07-08 19:27:26] <scubacuda> yock: the secret is to not be teh last 
ones, as everyone has left by then.
[2007-07-08 19:27:48] <scubacuda> yock: I think that you have to have a 
critical mass for them to work.
[2007-07-08 19:28:15] <scubacuda> yock: perhaps make mailing lists or 
something that ppl can use to connect afterwards.
[2007-07-08 19:28:32] <Gareth> scubacuda: topic of the BoF is important 
too..
[2007-07-08 19:28:34] <alex> I think the main advantage of a BOF is to 
encourage each group that's attending one event to actually discuss the 
feasibility of being at SCALE while they're all together ... and can 
talk to the organizers.
[2007-07-08 19:28:45] <scubacuda> yock: like make a mailman subscription 
for, say, ubuntu-bof...@socallinuxexpo.org
[2007-07-08 19:28:58] <alex> I don't think it increases individual 
attendance, but improves the quality of teams (i.e. sponsor or booth)
[2007-07-08 19:29:03] <yock> Define critical mass, we had over 1000 
attendees last year.
[2007-07-08 19:29:12] <scubacuda> gareth: true, topic is key...
[2007-07-08 19:29:24] <ilan> alex: don marti offered bof space at 
LinuxWorld.  We can ping OSCON as well.
[2007-07-08 19:30:18] <scubacuda> actually, sometimes the smaller BoF 
sessions are good also.  quality > quantity
[2007-07-08 19:30:25] <yock> sure
[2007-07-08 19:30:27] <Gareth> alex: BoFs also give a project a chance 
to hear from its core audience, face to face interaction accomplishes 
alot...completely different experience than an online forum.
[2007-07-08 19:30:45] <yock> Who set the topics for the BoF sessions?
[2007-07-08 19:30:54] <ilan> those who volunteeered to run them
[2007-07-08 19:30:59] <yock> Interesting
[2007-07-08 19:31:06] <scubacuda> ilan: is that how time slots are 
dished out also?
[2007-07-08 19:31:19] <Gareth> yock: the volunteers that choose to run 
them...we opoened up 8 sessions and it was first come, first served.
[2007-07-08 19:31:31] <ilan> scubacuda: what gareth said.
[2007-07-08 19:31:32] <ilan> :)
[2007-07-08 19:32:12] <Gareth> brb
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[2007-07-08 19:33:43] <alex> gareth:  Agreed.  For an event project such 
as scale, by the time you run the BOF it is usually too late to make 
significant changes to the upcoming event.  But the comments can be 
taken into account for 18 months later.
[2007-07-08 19:34:04] <ilan> alex: any suggestions on how to get more 
GOOG folks out next year?  you have a pretty big office here in LA.
[2007-07-08 19:34:24] <shyam> maybe leiz can help out as well;-)
[2007-07-08 19:34:35] <ilan> :)
[2007-07-08 19:34:36] <leiz> ilan: like more speakers or ?
[2007-07-08 19:34:45] <shyam> leiz: both:P
[2007-07-08 19:34:46] <ilan> more attendees
[2007-07-08 19:34:47] <scubacuda> alex: perhaps some speakers?
[2007-07-08 19:34:50] <ilan> but both
[2007-07-08 19:35:19] <alex> scubacuda:  I put in a talk for 5x and 
shyam chose not to to accept it.  8-P
[2007-07-08 19:35:23] <leiz> I think we had ~20 people at scale last year?
[2007-07-08 19:35:31] <scubacuda> I know some pretty knowledgeble google 
employees (from my high school), but they're not around here.
[2007-07-08 19:35:49] <yock> alex: now, I know you spoke at the SCALE I 
attended. =)
[2007-07-08 19:35:55] <shyam> alex: we really got a lot of good talk 
proposals last year...had to reject cause of lack of space...:(
[2007-07-08 19:35:57] <alex> Actually, my biggest concern wrt GOOG was 
that we might end up being too big a presence at the event.
[2007-07-08 19:36:15] <scubacuda> alex: what was your talk on?
[2007-07-08 19:36:50] <ilan> leiz: out of how many hundred linux users 
at GOOG los angeles ? :)
[2007-07-08 19:37:02] <alex> scubacuda:  I have no recollection of that. 
 Quite likely the SRE topic.
[2007-07-08 19:37:23] <scubacuda> alex: SRE is doing some cool stuff 
*nix-wise, I heard. It would be cool to have someone from there speak.
[2007-07-08 19:37:27] <yock> you gave a talk about Debian.
[2007-07-08 19:37:58] <alex> yock:  Yeah, that was the previous year.
[2007-07-08 19:38:11] <ilan> alex: before that it was python right?
[2007-07-08 19:38:25] * ilan notied that chat has slowed down a bit
[2007-07-08 19:38:25] <yock> indeed, that was 4x, wasn't it?
[2007-07-08 19:38:34] <alex> I encouraged a different local debian 
developer to give the talk for 2007 ... to get some variety in speakers 
on the Debian topic.
[2007-07-08 19:38:35] <ilan> is there anything we haven't covered yet, 
that you guys would liek to touch on?
[2007-07-08 19:38:43] <shyam> scubacuda: alex's topic was Engineering 
Reliability into Web Sites: Google SRE
[2007-07-08 19:38:52] <scubacuda> shyam: thx
[2007-07-08 19:39:20] <scubacuda> one non-Linux topic I'd like to know 
-- what is google going to do with the bandwidth that they bought?
[2007-07-08 19:39:31] <Gareth> alex: agreeded...there are alot of 
aspects that wouldnt be changable by the time BoF was available, things 
like this IRC Chat are helpfl in that regard...however there are other 
aspects as SCALE gets closer than be can be discussed at a BoF...they're 
also good for letting people know about SCALE at other events and 
answering questions in person.
[2007-07-08 19:39:31] <scubacuda> or, i mean, are pushing for
[2007-07-08 19:39:34] <alex> I can ask GOOG video support whether they'd 
like to help out with the technical side of the event, but I hadn't 
previously done so out of concern of stepping on prior informal commitments.
[2007-07-08 19:40:25] <scubacuda> vids of everything would be cool, 
particularly of the question and answer periods
[2007-07-08 19:40:27] <ilan> alex: vidoe support as in taping the talks?
[2007-07-08 19:40:38] <alex> ilan:  yeah.
[2007-07-08 19:40:50] <ilan> alex: that would be awesome.
[2007-07-08 19:40:51] <yock> That'd be super sweet
[2007-07-08 19:40:57] <leiz> i forget, did we tape talks for 5x?
[2007-07-08 19:41:00] <alex> k, I'll ask them then.
[2007-07-08 19:41:00] <shyam> alex: yup absolutely
[2007-07-08 19:41:03] <ilan> leiz: yes, they're on the site
[2007-07-08 19:41:13] <timf> orv: any thought on using youtube or 
myspace to help get the word out to non-typical SCaLE people?
[2007-07-08 19:41:16] <ilan> as well as on linuxworld.com
[2007-07-08 19:41:27] <Gareth> leiz: audio..not video.
[2007-07-08 19:41:35] <Orv> timf: hadn't thought about it; but we could 
certainly do up some promos.
[2007-07-08 19:41:37] <scubacuda> myspace might be interested.  i know 
that they're hiring gentoo ppl
[2007-07-08 19:41:49] <Gareth> Orv on MySpace...will wonders never cease.
[2007-07-08 19:42:01] <ilan> timf: id like to see us create a "ill be at 
SCALE" badge people can put on their social network profiles and blogs
[2007-07-08 19:42:02] <Orv> Yeah, like that'll happen...
[2007-07-08 19:42:19] <ilan> timf / orv: similar to this 
http://www.gnomedex.com/images/gnomedex/gnomedexer.jpg
[2007-07-08 19:42:24] <livinded> myspace is probably a lost cause for 
technical people, I'd say livejournal would be a better choice
[2007-07-08 19:42:51] <shyam> unless we can shoot a teaser for why u 
should be at SCALE in february 2008:P
[2007-07-08 19:43:01] <scubacuda> livinded: i mean myspace as a sponsor 
/ company talk to about sponsorship
[2007-07-08 19:43:05] <ilan> livinded: you'd be suprirsed how many 
southern californian Linux users are on MySpace.  we pulled in a few 
attendees through there last year
[2007-07-08 19:43:17] <timf> livinded: I don't disagree, but are we 
reaching out only to tech?
[2007-07-08 19:43:37] <ilan> shyam: did you see the one they did for Lug 
Radio Live 2007?
[2007-07-08 19:43:55] <shyam> yes
[2007-07-08 19:43:59] <shyam> i really liked it
[2007-07-08 19:43:59] <livinded> timf: I just don't think that the 
myspace crowd is necessarily the type of people who would be interested 
in going
[2007-07-08 19:44:15] <Gareth> livinded: you would be surprised..
[2007-07-08 19:44:20] <Orv> ilan: that's kinda interesting.
[2007-07-08 19:44:36] <ilan> http://www.lugradio.org/freedommarch/
[2007-07-08 19:44:37] <Orv> "I'll be standing on the SCALE in February". 
 Er - no....
[2007-07-08 19:44:38] <randy> why not do both?
[2007-07-08 19:44:48] <scubacuda> Mabye if all of the SCaLE attendees 
came to the meeting drinking forties, then we could add those pics to 
MySpace
[2007-07-08 19:44:56] <livinded> that's just my observation from the 
scraping and datamining I've done on myspace
[2007-07-08 19:45:49] <scubacuda> Has anyone ever talked to anyone at JPL ?
[2007-07-08 19:45:59] <Gareth> livinded: SCALE is always looking to 
attract people who may be curious about Linux and Open Source but have 
never used it....we want to appeal to a wider audience with SCALE...
[2007-07-08 19:46:06] <ilan> livinded: i did an informal survey of the 
mysapce users in LA with Linux on their profile.  most i pinged didn't 
know about SCALE, but said they were interested in coming.
[2007-07-08 19:46:08] <scubacuda> and what exactly they're doing with linux?
[2007-07-08 19:46:22] <ilan> im pretty sure if we make a formal PR 
effort we can draw in a good crowd fro mtehre.
[2007-07-08 19:46:58] <ilan> scubacuda: we tried to get them to speak 
about the rovers last year, but the dates didn't work out for them to 
get a proposal in
[2007-07-08 19:47:10] <timf> while we're at it, facebook might catch 
some interest
[2007-07-08 19:47:23] <ilan> or linked in
[2007-07-08 19:47:25] <scubacuda> ilan: interesting.
[2007-07-08 19:47:35] <leiz> do any of those sites use open source?
[2007-07-08 19:47:44] <dlavigne>  linked in would be a great place to 
have a badge icon
[2007-07-08 19:47:52] <scubacuda> ilan: on a side note, i notice that 
just about all f/oss ppl i work with are using LinkedIn
[2007-07-08 19:48:01] <dlavigne> especially if you have some 
business/interoperability talks
[2007-07-08 19:48:06] <ilan> dlavigne: they have a program for setting 
those up.
[2007-07-08 19:48:33] <scubacuda> linkedin's involvement might also 
legitmize f/oss to the biz community at large
[2007-07-08 19:48:36] <ilan> Orv: lets contact them this year and see 
about getting that setup.
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[2007-07-08 19:48:52] <ilan> Orv: ive got the paperwork we need to send 
in.  ping me later
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[2007-07-08 19:48:58] <Orv> ilan: LinkedIn?
[2007-07-08 19:49:18] <ilan> Orv: yes, they have a formal program for 
getting badges on peoples profiles.
[2007-07-08 19:49:20] <tking> orv: business networking site.
[2007-07-08 19:49:43] <Orv> tking: I know what it is; I'm a member ;-)
[2007-07-08 19:49:43] <Orv> Wasn't sure what Ilan was talking about, though.
[2007-07-08 19:49:54] <Orv> ilan: I'll ping you later, yeah.
[2007-07-08 19:49:58] <ilan> cool
[2007-07-08 19:50:13] <dlavigne> k, getting late here. thanks for the 
opportunity to participate
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[2007-07-08 19:50:25] <ilan> dlavigne: thanks for joining us
[2007-07-08 19:50:36] <smichelle> mundane ? ... when will SCALE website 
reflect 6x?
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[2007-07-08 19:50:46] <ilan> smichelle: MatthewG is working on that this 
week
[2007-07-08 19:50:58] <Gareth> smichelle: should be by mid-week.
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[2007-07-08 19:53:30] <Gareth> Since things are winding down, we'll go 
ahead and close the meeting at 8pm.  Feel free to continue chatting and 
we'll continue logging.  This channel will remain active leading up 
SCALE 6x.  Thanks to everyone for attending!
[2007-07-08 19:53:33] <alex> shyam:  Are there any specific goog teams 
that you'd love to receive a CFP response from?
[2007-07-08 19:54:08] <scubacuda> gareth: thx, dude. good job, and i 
look forward to attending this next year
[2007-07-08 19:54:11] <shyam> alex: not really, but virtualization does 
seem the hot one still
[2007-07-08 19:54:20] <scubacuda> shyam: totally on virtualization.
[2007-07-08 19:54:26] <shyam> alex: also if there are any teams on linux 
multimedia
[2007-07-08 19:54:44] <shyam> alex: that would be great!
[2007-07-08 19:54:46] <scubacuda> shyam: any openings or need for F/OSS 
monitoring tools?
[2007-07-08 19:54:48] <ilan> alex: jeremy allison and robert love would 
be good speakers
[2007-07-08 19:54:52] <johnjay> virtualization...i bet we could round up 
some interest from 3tera.com, i have a direct contact for their CEO from 
a prior conference
[2007-07-08 19:54:55] <leiz> maybe we can get robert love to come to 
scale again
[2007-07-08 19:55:05] <scubacuda> shyam: or monitoring strategies for 
enterprise, SLA environments?
[2007-07-08 19:55:16] <johnjay> they also put down a lot of $ for the 
conference they sponsored
[2007-07-08 19:55:30] <shyam> johnjay: hey i'll look fwd to a proposal 
from 3tera
[2007-07-08 19:55:36] <alex> shyam: thanks.  I happen to know two of the 
teams in those areas.  Will follow up with them once the official CFP is 
out.
[2007-07-08 19:55:57] <ilan> johnjay: can you ping me with that?  we had 
a proposal from them last year, but it came way after the deadline.
[2007-07-08 19:55:57] <johnjay> shyam: is there a specific format i 
should turn them onto?
[2007-07-08 19:56:11] <johnjay> ilan: already sent you an email earlier
[2007-07-08 19:56:20] <shyam> alex: thanks once again...greatly 
appreciate it...we should have the CFP out in the next couple of weeks 
if not sooner
[2007-07-08 19:56:26] <ilan> johnjay: ok thanks
[2007-07-08 19:56:37] <johnjay> i'll talk to PeterNIC first and then 
their CEO ASAP
[2007-07-08 19:56:37] <tking> the location scrolled off my log...
[2007-07-08 19:56:38] <shyam> leiz: i tried getting robert love last 
year as well as the previous year but withotu much success
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[2007-07-08 19:56:38] <ilan> tking: Westin
[2007-07-08 19:56:44] <tking> okay same place..thanks
[2007-07-08 19:56:52] <tking> that was a good location.
[2007-07-08 19:56:53] <johnjay> please let me know a follow up e-mail 
where i can ping the SCALE organizers (or relevant parties) about 3tera
[2007-07-08 19:56:55] <shyam> leiz: it'll b nice to have him..he is an 
excellent speaker
[2007-07-08 19:56:57] <Gareth> tking: same venue as last year.
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[2007-07-08 19:57:08] <tking> excellent...
[2007-07-08 19:57:09] <ilan> tking: ya, it worked out well
[2007-07-08 19:57:31] <ilan> johnjay: for sponsorship it'd be me 
(i...@socallinuxexpo.org) for speaking it'd be shyam
[2007-07-08 19:57:41] <johnjay> noted
[2007-07-08 19:57:49] <smichelle> shyam email is?
[2007-07-08 19:57:56] <shyam> johnjay: kapa...@socallinuxexpo.org
[2007-07-08 19:58:08] <ilan> johnjay: i have info for their pr firm, but 
its always better to have an in house contact
[2007-07-08 19:58:21] <johnjay> i have 2 in house contacts over there
[2007-07-08 19:58:34] <johnjay> (me is actually alpha testing their 
64-bit env)
[2007-07-08 20:00:18] * tking makes plans to head out from SCALE on his 
next overseas adventure.
[2007-07-08 20:00:19] <smichelle> Is a blog for SCALE annoucement 
possible for ease of rss?
[2007-07-08 20:00:38] <ilan> smichelle: thats the next priority after 
getting the SCALE dates on the site.
[2007-07-08 20:00:46] <Gareth> smichelle: our tech committee is looking 
into that.
[2007-07-08 20:00:58] <ilan> smichelle: MatthewG is looking at 
potentional blogging applications with StuartS
[2007-07-08 20:01:23] <smichelle> awesome. Off to feed cats, dog, a few 
fish, and then me in that order. Thx for irc.
[2007-07-08 20:01:24] <ilan> smichelle: we're also working on adding 
podcasts leading up to the show with interviews of speakers, exhibitors, etc
[2007-07-08 20:01:31] <ilan> smichelle: thanks for joining us
[2007-07-08 20:01:33] <Gareth> smichelle: thnks for stopping by.
[2007-07-08 20:01:33] <johnjay> are we still looking for speakers? i 
have direct content with andy s. (http://t1ra.multiply.com/) ... he 
gives mostly hosting related keynotes but i know he can [most likely] 
give a great talk about OSS
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[2007-07-08 20:02:09] <johnjay> and he in turn can get somebody from digg
[2007-07-08 20:02:11] <Gareth> johnjay: send the CFP to anyone who you 
think may be interested and may make an interesting talk.
[2007-07-08 20:02:13] <johnjay> if needed
[2007-07-08 20:02:25] <johnjay> i need a link to the CFP?
[2007-07-08 20:02:36] <Gareth> it hasnt been released yet.
[2007-07-08 20:03:27] <timf> have to go, thanks for setting this up!
[2007-07-08 20:03:35] <Gareth> timf: thanks for attending.
[2007-07-08 20:03:46] <shyam> johnjay: if you can give me ur email, I'll 
send out a draft to u once it has been approved by the SCALE committee
[2007-07-08 20:03:46] <ilan> timf: thanks for coming.. ill be in touch 
on that education day
[2007-07-08 20:04:04] <johnjay> j...@jawed.name
[2007-07-08 20:04:30] <shyam> johnjay: like gareth mentioned anyone who 
can give an interesting talk, we will be more than willin to review 
their proposal....:)
[2007-07-08 20:04:47] <johnjay> ok so i will get in touch with 1) 3tera 
2) Andy S and 3) try to get somebody from Digg through Andy
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[2007-07-08 20:05:11] <johnjay> (andy invests $ in digg)
[2007-07-08 20:05:14] <shyam> johnjay: thanks!
[2007-07-08 20:05:35] <Gareth> Same goes for exhibitors...anyone who you 
might think might be a good addition to the show, by all means...please 
let us know.
[2007-07-08 20:05:38] <scubacuda> speaking of Digg, Ron gave a good talk 
last year
[2007-07-08 20:06:11] <saned> Gareth, how about EDA vendors, like Xilinx?
[2007-07-08 20:06:31] <Gareth> saned: if you have contacts, pass them 
along to ilan
[2007-07-08 20:06:39] <saned> Will do, thx
[2007-07-08 20:07:52] <shyam> ok gotta run as well...this was 
good..cheers everyone
[2007-07-08 20:08:03] <Gareth> see ya Shyam.
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[2007-07-08 20:08:35] <ilan> night shyam
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