[2007-07-08 17:22:36] <Gareth> hmm
[2007-07-08 17:22:42] <Gareth> dualdflipflop: *DID* you owe everyone money?
[2007-07-08 17:22:51] <dualdflipflop> It's possible...
[2007-07-08 17:23:03] <Gareth> dualdflipflop: Trevor right?
[2007-07-08 17:23:08] <dualdflipflop> I might have kicked their puppy or
something...
[2007-07-08 17:23:14] <dualdflipflop> Yes, that's me.
[2007-07-08 17:23:33] <dualdflipflop> Gareth: Gareth right?
[2007-07-08 17:23:33] <Gareth> Thought so..
[2007-07-08 17:23:42] <Gareth> eek..how did you know? :)
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[2007-07-08 17:24:02] <scubacuda> Gareth, David Kaser says hi (from
Porland, OR)
[2007-07-08 17:24:07] * dualdflipflop wonders to himself... "why am I here?"
[2007-07-08 17:24:13] <scubacuda> Kaser = Kaiser
[2007-07-08 17:24:20] <xed2> dualdflipflop: To give your input and advice
[2007-07-08 17:24:28] <dualdflipflop> I have such things?
[2007-07-08 17:24:30] <Gareth> scubacuda: ah excellant...he's up there
for OSCon?
[2007-07-08 17:24:34] <xed2> dualdflipflop: Leave then. =)
[2007-07-08 17:24:41] <scubacuda> will this chat be accessible online?
[2007-07-08 17:24:50] <dualdflipflop> Nah... I'll stay and pester.
[2007-07-08 17:24:53] <Gareth> yes. I am logging.
[2007-07-08 17:24:55] * xed2 hopes so.
[2007-07-08 17:25:01] <scubacuda> Gareth: dunno...just got off the phone
with him and didn't ask.
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[2007-07-08 17:25:12] <Gareth> scubacuda: ah okay..
[2007-07-08 17:27:46] <Hawkwind> Gareth: Evening! Cliff Wade....I was
with foo most of the time with the Ulteo booth this year
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[2007-07-08 17:28:21] <Gareth> Hawkwind: Yup! I remember you...thanks
for stopping by and for helping with the Ulteo group at SCALE.
[2007-07-08 17:28:39] <scubacuda> Gareth: I'm Roger, I met you with
David last year. We're the ones starting the Inland Empire area LUG group.
[2007-07-08 17:28:44] <Hawkwind> Gareth: Not a problem at all. Hope to
do it again this year if I can
[2007-07-08 17:28:56] <Gareth> scubacuda: Yup! I remember..hows that
group coming?
[2007-07-08 17:29:28] <ifoo> Gareth: I don't know Hawkwind, I think he's
lying
[2007-07-08 17:29:30] <scubacuda> gareth: good, we got a nice conference
room at La Sierra University and meet fairly reguarly each month now
[2007-07-08 17:29:50] <Gareth> scubacuda: Nice..a good meeting area is key.
[2007-07-08 17:30:07] <scubacuda> gareth: in fact, last month I
presented on Nagios. And the time before, one of David's friends (from
IBM in Austraulia) spoke on P3 & Linux
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[2007-07-08 17:42:14] <Gareth> Okay..Im going to go ahead and set the
channel to be moderated, once it is no one will be able to speak.
Started at 6pm, the SCALE staff will give some brief projections for
SCALE 6x. After that we'll open the floor for any questions anyone else
or suggestions to make SCALE 6 better.
[2007-07-08 17:42:45] <Gareth> stay tuned.
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Diego - http://www.fosscon.org || Channel temporarily moderated. Stay
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[2007-07-08 18:00:23] <Gareth> Okay. 6pm...lets get started...
[2007-07-08 18:00:48] <Gareth> We want to thank everyone for attending...
[2007-07-08 18:01:23] <Gareth> we'll go ahead and have the SCALE chairs
give some projections for what we can expect for SCALE 6x.
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[2007-07-08 18:01:43] =-= Mode #scale-chat +v ilan by Gareth
[2007-07-08 18:02:05] <Gareth> StuartS: why dont you go ahead and start
us off...what can we expect to see different from a technical side of
things?
[2007-07-08 18:02:38] <StuartS> Thanks Gareth
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[2007-07-08 18:03:06] <StuartS> Currently tech is planning to increase
available bandwidth to the show
[2007-07-08 18:03:31] <StuartS> add a game night to hilight open source
based games
[2007-07-08 18:04:04] <StuartS> and revamp the email garden.
[2007-07-08 18:04:36] <StuartS> As well as moving the main control
center for the network off the show floor (providing budgets allow)
[2007-07-08 18:04:47] <StuartS> Back to you Gareth...
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[2007-07-08 18:05:44] <Gareth> bala: Why dont we go to you next...what
changes can we expect to see at the SCALE registration for SCALE 6x?
[2007-07-08 18:06:14] <bala> Lei is currently redoing the software that
we have in place for registration
[2007-07-08 18:06:41] <bala> That's our biggest change. Once that's in
place, we will explore better modes of badge/t-shirt handout.
[2007-07-08 18:07:25] <Gareth> Excellant...anything else?
[2007-07-08 18:07:56] <bala> Also, there were some concerns about using
the email garden/registration computers to enter Credit Card numbers, as
people standing behind could see, so we are looking into that as well
[2007-07-08 18:08:00] <bala> That's it
[2007-07-08 18:08:28] <Gareth> Great...Orv would you like to go next?
What changes can people expect from PR?
[2007-07-08 18:08:33] <Orv> You bet.
[2007-07-08 18:09:14] <Orv> Folks, S5X continued the steady growth in
both size and quality of SCALE. You all are part of the reason that
happens from year to year, and for that, we thank you!
[2007-07-08 18:09:36] <Orv> From a publicity standpoint, we got more,
and better coverage of S5x both before, and after SCALE, than ever.
[2007-07-08 18:10:18] <Orv> But there's always room for improvement.
We'd like to expand our media outlets, both hard and softcopy,. both
written and audio.
[2007-07-08 18:10:43] <Orv> We have an excellent audio engineer on our
staff, and we'd like to make more use of the audio promos he creates for us.
[2007-07-08 18:11:10] <Orv> If you have any ideas of better/more
media/publicity outlets for us, please send your ideas along to
[email protected]
[2007-07-08 18:11:34] <Orv> The first Publicity will go out in the next
day or so.
[2007-07-08 18:11:39] <Orv> That's it, Gareth.
[2007-07-08 18:11:47] <Gareth> Thanks Orv..
[2007-07-08 18:11:48] * ilan arrives
[2007-07-08 18:11:53] <Gareth> ilan: why dont we move to you..
[2007-07-08 18:12:17] <Gareth> why dont you go ahead and announce the
new dates for SCALE 6 as well as talk about changes with sponsorship for
SCALE 6x
[2007-07-08 18:12:21] <ilan> lets change gears a bit.
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[2007-07-08 18:12:43] <ilan> Hello, everyone and welcome to the first
planning meeting for SCALE 6x.
[2007-07-08 18:13:02] <ilan> we would like to formally announce that
SCALE will be held on Feb 8-11, 2008
[2007-07-08 18:13:40] <ilan> We are going to be at the same location
again, the Westin LAX.
[2007-07-08 18:14:13] <ilan> there are a few items still being
negotiatied, but we will be returning there.
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[2007-07-08 18:14:22] <ilan> welcome shyam
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[2007-07-08 18:15:16] <ilan> one of our top goals for this year, is to
bring more people on to the SCALE team
[2007-07-08 18:15:28] <ilan> we would like to see a lot more community
involvement
[2007-07-08 18:15:41] <ilan> on all committees
[2007-07-08 18:16:15] =-= Mode #scale-chat +v shyam by Gareth
[2007-07-08 18:16:27] <ilan> shyam just arrived, so this is perfect
timing. shyam is our speakers chair, and one of the items we'd like to
discuss at the meeting today
[2007-07-08 18:16:37] <ilan> is what topics you would like to see covered
[2007-07-08 18:17:13] <ilan> ill let shyam take over from here and
discuss the call for papers, where it stands, and then id like to see
some of you guys chime in
[2007-07-08 18:17:20] <ilan> with what you want to see from us most
[2007-07-08 18:17:25] <shyam> sure thanks ilan....
[2007-07-08 18:17:57] <shyam> just in terms of logistics last year we
had the CFP open on 20th july..this year we are aimin to b somewhere
therabouts...16th july
[2007-07-08 18:18:34] <shyam> it should be up as soon as we can get an
approval from all the scale-chairs
[2007-07-08 18:19:06] <shyam> while its become decidedly easier to get
submissions....last year i believe we had close ot 90 submissions and we
accepted about 36 odd
[2007-07-08 18:19:35] <shyam> it might be nice to discuss what are the
hot topics that we might want to focus on this year
[2007-07-08 18:19:44] <shyam> virtualization still seems there and
interesting
[2007-07-08 18:20:07] <shyam> maybe mobile linux is something that we
can cover as well
[2007-07-08 18:21:01] <shyam> again we'll have a user/tutorials track
focussed more on beginnings/people starting on linux...but hopefully can
cover a different subset of topics as compared to what we have seen the
past couple of years
[2007-07-08 18:21:54] <shyam> i was lookin at what was covered in tracks
in some other linux conferences and it seemed that they were pretty much
having similar coverage areas
[2007-07-08 18:22:19] <Gareth> *** Just a reminder to everyone, the
channel is currently moderated. Once we've finished the chairs
projections..we'll open it up for questions, suggestions and discussion.
[2007-07-08 18:22:35] <ilan> shyam: is the current CFP draft available
anywhere online at the moment? we should let everyone take a quick look
at it and provie their feed.
[2007-07-08 18:22:42] <ilan> *feedback
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[2007-07-08 18:23:03] <shyam> like what we have been having...VoIP,
security, troubleshooting, admin tricks etc...i know these are somewhat
broad but just a quick look at the talks we have had so far indicates
that we are covering a good portion of the spectrum
[2007-07-08 18:23:25] <shyam> ilan: yes i can have it online just give
me 1 min...someone else can take over while i do that
[2007-07-08 18:23:52] <Orv> shyam: We can put it on the web page later
on tonight.
[2007-07-08 18:24:00] <ilan> later tonight is fine
[2007-07-08 18:24:04] <Gareth> I'll go ahead and jump in while shyam is
busy..
[2007-07-08 18:26:05] <Gareth> From the Operations side of things, since
the venue will remain the same, we're going to use that as an
opportunity to focus on improving some of the details of SCALE...as Stu
pointed out, we're looking into ways to improve the email garden.\
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[2007-07-08 18:26:26] <shyam> oops sorry to cut in but the cfp draft is
up for temporary viewing at http://csed1.usc.edu/scale6x.pdf.....
[2007-07-08 18:27:38] <Gareth> From a Communtiy relations side, we're
going to focus on recruiting some of the dotORG groups that we havent
been able to get to SCALE before....as always if anyone has any
suggestions on groups that they havent seen at SCALE yet, or advice on
how to get those groups to SCALE...by all means, please let us know.
[2007-07-08 18:28:36] <Gareth> Thats all..we'll go ahead and open up for
discussion now...thanks for listening and we hope everyone helps us make
SCALE 6x bigger and better.
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[2007-07-08 18:29:03] <scubacuda> In which areas does the committee need
the most help?
[2007-07-08 18:29:06] <cesman> Thanks to the SCALE staff for putting it
together every year!
[2007-07-08 18:29:24] <smichelle> Can you confim S6x dates. Feb 8
(Friday) through Feb 11 (Monday). Sessions 4 days?
[2007-07-08 18:29:26] <scubacuda> ditto -- SCaLE last few years has been
great
[2007-07-08 18:29:33] <Gareth> smichelle: Feb 8-10th.
[2007-07-08 18:29:40] <ilan> that was a type. SCALE will be Feb 8-10
[2007-07-08 18:29:52] <ilan> Friday - Sunnday as it has been in previous
years
[2007-07-08 18:30:08] <rizzo> yes, thanls to staff... last year was my
first... lookig forward to 6.
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8th-10th, 2008''
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[2007-07-08 18:30:42] <ilan> scubacuda: we are in need of more hands on
our sponsorship team, contacting commercial exhibitors. we call about
300+ companies each year to discuss opportunites at SCALE
[2007-07-08 18:30:57] <timf> will there be focus areas like the OS in
healthcare?
[2007-07-08 18:31:02] <MatthewG> Web committee could use some help if
anyone has experience with CSS/PHP/HTML
[2007-07-08 18:31:15] <Gareth> scubacuda: in answer to your question, it
depends on which area you want to focus on. Our Tech Committee always
needs hlep, we always need help day of for registration and this year
we've opened up for sponsorship needs.
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[2007-07-08 18:31:36] * Orv could use a couple of good wordsmiths...
[2007-07-08 18:31:50] <Orv> or bloggers...
[2007-07-08 18:31:55] <bariswheel> It would be nice to see some folks in
the medical industry address challenges, issues
[2007-07-08 18:32:02] <scubacuda> ilan: i work with lots of companies
that would probably help with (e.g. attend, sponsor) SCaLE if they knew
more about it. Let's talk offline. [email protected]
[2007-07-08 18:32:21] <ilan> scubacuda: will do thanks.
[2007-07-08 18:32:23] <Gareth> If you want to get involved, look at our
committee page and email the chair of that committee....we're always
looking for help.
[2007-07-08 18:32:47] <scubacuda> Gareth: Will look at that web page. thx
[2007-07-08 18:32:51] <ilan> timf: we are looking at holding 2-3 events
on Friday, similar to what we did last year with healthcare.
[2007-07-08 18:33:17] <ilan> the healthcare folks from last year have
indicated they'd like to come back and host the Open Source Health Care
Summit again.
[2007-07-08 18:33:32] <leiz> registration always need manpower to deal
with the evergrowing lines in the morning
[2007-07-08 18:33:33] <Gareth> IN answer to a question that Im sure
everyone has....we are looking to address the issue of overcrowded rooms
during some of the speaking sessions. the Westin has some larger rooms
we can and will utilize.
[2007-07-08 18:33:51] <ilan> timf: I know you were interested in holding
a Open Source in Education day at SCALE in 2008. is that still of interest?
[2007-07-08 18:33:51] <MrWGW> I have a sort of general question, and
that is, will there be anything done at SCALE 6x in recognition of the
increasing popularity of Linux on the desktop?
[2007-07-08 18:34:02] <MrWGW> apparently increasing, I should say
[2007-07-08 18:34:04] <timf> ilan: absolutely!
[2007-07-08 18:34:17] <dlavigne> ilan: me too
[2007-07-08 18:34:25] <Orv> MrWGW: We're going to try to get the KDE
developers there; S6X will be only a couple of months after the release
of KDE4
[2007-07-08 18:34:32] <MrWGW> nice
[2007-07-08 18:34:52] <MrWGW> also the education idea is fantastic,
given the OLPC and projects like Edubuntu
[2007-07-08 18:35:10] <Gareth> MrWGW: we're always trying to get most of
hte major players in the Linux desktop world...we've had KDE and GNOME
at the show, but Community Relations will be focusing on getting some of
hte smaller desktop projects to the show as well.
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[2007-07-08 18:35:30] <Orv> timf had a suggestion for an education day;
we'll look into pursuing it as a special session or something.
[2007-07-08 18:35:38] <MrWGW> and of course I might cynically observe
that getting people to use open source early in their life increases the
likelihood of them using it continually
[2007-07-08 18:36:15] <MrWGW> )although in my case i was really turned
off by my experiences with Apple IIs at school, which were pathetic
compared to the PC I used at home)
[2007-07-08 18:36:16] <ilan> MrWGW: :)
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[2007-07-08 18:36:22] <Gareth> MrWGW: there will definitely be a focus
on open source at the elementary and earlier school level.
[2007-07-08 18:36:28] <scubacuda> MrWGW: one of our LUG members does
just that (www.hawcenter.org)
[2007-07-08 18:36:29] <Orv> I had a request that we devote some at least
one session to the impact of GPLv3; by S6X we'll have a better feel for
what it's doing to the Open Source community.
[2007-07-08 18:36:46] <scubacuda> ditto on GPLv3
[2007-07-08 18:36:48] <Gareth> scubacuda: Thats Donna right?
[2007-07-08 18:36:53] <scubacuda> gareth: yeah
[2007-07-08 18:36:54] <MrWGW> having people from XFCE and Enlightenment
and other desktops would be nice, btw, if you can pull it off
[2007-07-08 18:37:00] <smichelle> Is there a possibilty for a room
devoted to introducing new users with hands on tutorials and software
demonstration? It would require some desktops/laptops, but perhaps Dell
could loan of a few of their new Linux boxes?
[2007-07-08 18:37:01] <Orv> And we'd very much like someone to talk
about their "Open Source Success Story"; ideally a business, but we'll
take whatever we can get.
[2007-07-08 18:37:09] * Orv would like that as a publicity lead-in to S6X.
[2007-07-08 18:37:10] <Gareth> MrWGW: noted.
[2007-07-08 18:37:14] <MrWGW> primarily so that I'll have a chance to
meet the XFCE people and complain at them about how unneccessarily ugly
their GUI artwork is :-P
[2007-07-08 18:37:18] <bariswheel> In addition to KDE presence (Aaron
Seigo did a good job btw in an earlier SCALE), hearing Compiz Fusion
developers would also add some color
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[2007-07-08 18:37:33] <MatthewG> MrWGW: :)
[2007-07-08 18:37:37] <MrWGW> that's an interesting website btw
[2007-07-08 18:37:43] <Orv> bariswheel: Excellent idea, espeically since
they've recently 'unforked'...
[2007-07-08 18:37:54] <alex> Can we merge the email garden and a desktop
evaluation thingy?
[2007-07-08 18:37:57] <MrWGW> oh that would be so awesome...
[2007-07-08 18:38:00] <Gareth> smichelle: thats a really good
idea...we'll look ingo that.
[2007-07-08 18:38:07] <Gareth> alex: another good idea...
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[2007-07-08 18:38:09] <timf> smichelle: might be able to set up some
LTSP for cheap try-it area -
[2007-07-08 18:38:26] <alex> Make the email machines be thin clients
that run the chooser to select among a bunch of servers that are
offering different distributions and desktops.
[2007-07-08 18:38:26] <Orv> timf: Nice suggestion!
[2007-07-08 18:38:29] <StuartS> smichelle: Hardware is always hard to
come by for the show, we are planing to try to use the email garden PCs
for a os gaming demo / contest...
[2007-07-08 18:38:38] <MrWGW> I'm one of just a few people out there who
actually believes that Compiz Fusion is critical to the future of Linux
on the desktop...we have to have something compelling to compete with
the eye candy in Vista and OS X
[2007-07-08 18:38:41] <ilan> alex: thats not a bad idea. if we can get
volunteers to assit. that would be the perfect lab settings too hold
classes in
[2007-07-08 18:38:50] <shyam> smichelle: in fact the committee did talk
about having a tutorial session last year but due to time and other
resource logistics it didnt work out..but we will try and see if we can
get something along those lines this year
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[2007-07-08 18:39:05] <MrWGW> oh btw where do the PCs in the e-mail
garden and elsewhere come from?
[2007-07-08 18:39:16] <timf> shyam: I'd be interested in the tutorial area
[2007-07-08 18:39:22] <MrWGW> are those just loaned to SCALE for use
during the conference?
[2007-07-08 18:39:38] <ilan> MrWGW: shuttle PC loans them to SCALE for
conference use
[2007-07-08 18:39:50] <MrWGW> ok
[2007-07-08 18:39:56] <ilan> they have verbally committed to being back
this year.
[2007-07-08 18:40:00] <shyam> timf: just to clarify you mean help in
looking for speakers that that track?
[2007-07-08 18:40:00] <cpage> there are rumors flying that shuttle's
going to be bought out by someone soon, though
[2007-07-08 18:40:07] <Orv> cpage: URL?
[2007-07-08 18:40:17] <MrWGW> well if for some reason they don't come
back, you can borrow mine, but if they get scratched, you die
[2007-07-08 18:40:18] <bariswheel> MrWGW: I with you on that. Fusion
blows away the new Vista UI
[2007-07-08 18:40:19] <cpage> theinquirer.net - hence merely rumor ;)
maybe digitimes too
[2007-07-08 18:40:19] <MrWGW> :-P
[2007-07-08 18:40:24] <timf> shyam: yes, and supporting hardware or speaking
[2007-07-08 18:40:26] <Orv> cpage: Thanks.
[2007-07-08 18:40:32] <ilan> cpage: oh? do you have any further
information on that?
[2007-07-08 18:40:38] <ilan> cpage: id be interested in learning more
[2007-07-08 18:40:52] <cpage>
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40483
[2007-07-08 18:40:56] <ilan> MrWGW: heh, we can always try Dell if they
dont. thanks
[2007-07-08 18:41:03] <MrWGW> IMO it blows it away by virtue of being
more customizable...I have an interesting OT story about the lack of
user tweakbility of the XP Luna UI which I will share at another time
[2007-07-08 18:41:09] <shyam> timf: that'll be great, i can use all the
help I can get...:-)...if you can send me an email then we can
coordinate over that
[2007-07-08 18:41:15] <MrWGW> you might actually try Dell anyway
[2007-07-08 18:41:19] <ilan> cpage: thanks, ill read it tonight
[2007-07-08 18:41:30] <MrWGW> see if you couldn't get a few seperate
manufacturers to provide PCs in competition with one another
[2007-07-08 18:41:31] <cpage> basically acer, ecs, and/or one of the
asus spinoffs might want it
[2007-07-08 18:41:55] <timf> shyam: [email protected]
[2007-07-08 18:41:57] <Gareth> Really good ideas folks...keep them coming...
[2007-07-08 18:42:04] <yock> Dell might be interested in placing some of
their Ubuntu installs at the premiere user-based Linux event in the
country...
[2007-07-08 18:42:13] <MrWGW> yeah having Dell there would be awesome
[2007-07-08 18:42:15] <shyam> timf:noted!
[2007-07-08 18:42:15] <Orv> shyam: [email protected] :-D
[2007-07-08 18:42:28] <MrWGW> IIRC Lenovo now preloads Suse Linux
Enterprise Desktop on some ThinkPad T series units
[2007-07-08 18:42:31] <ilan> yock: we have some good contacts at Dell.
I'll touch bases with them in the next few weeks. im sure they'd be
happy to help.
[2007-07-08 18:42:33] <cpage> nice
[2007-07-08 18:42:41] <scubacuda> One idea might be to put up wikis on
the various sessions so that ppl could populate the wikis with various
post-talk information. We've tried this sort of thing at other meetings,
and it seems to work quite well (e.g. http://barcamp.org/beCamp)
[2007-07-08 18:42:42] <MrWGW> so it might also be worth giving them a call
[2007-07-08 18:42:49] * Orv hires all nicks as SCALE staff...
[2007-07-08 18:42:54] <cpage> is there a log of what i missed btw?
[2007-07-08 18:42:57] <Gareth> scubacuda: excellant idea..
[2007-07-08 18:43:05] <Gareth> cpage: im logging and we'll post it later.
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[2007-07-08 18:43:07] <cpage> cool
[2007-07-08 18:43:22] <MrWGW> interesting
[2007-07-08 18:43:36] <MrWGW> also have you thought of having a keynote
speech?
[2007-07-08 18:43:44] <scubacuda> Gareth: for example, lots of people
asked questions that rarely got fully answered (in the interests of
time). It would be cool if SCaLE created a way to continue that
discussion after the talk.
[2007-07-08 18:43:45] <MrWGW> or are you sticking to the seperate
breakout sessions approach?
[2007-07-08 18:43:50] <Orv> MrWGW:Every year we talk about it.
[2007-07-08 18:43:56] <bariswheel> This might be tough to pull off, but
having folks from Nvidia (wishful thinking, ATI) address issues about
which particular bits of their software/hardware is challenging to open
up, etc.. I can see this fostering healthy discussion amongst the community
[2007-07-08 18:43:56] <ilan> for those of you in SoCal, would there be
interest in meeting in person to discuss some of these items further?
possibly in early August?
[2007-07-08 18:44:01] <Orv> But we're more interested in getting down to
the good stuff :-)
[2007-07-08 18:44:05] <scubacuda> gareth: and to create a resource that
others who didn't attend the talk might be able to get a quick summary
[2007-07-08 18:44:07] <MrWGW> if you could get a Mark Shuttleworth or
Ian Murdock to speak, I could see it working
[2007-07-08 18:44:10] <alex> If you're going to do a wiki for the
sessions, make sure it is something multiuser since most of the content
will be added in parallel.
[2007-07-08 18:44:28] <ilan> bariswheel: we haven't had much luck
getting them to show up in the past. we can always try again though
[2007-07-08 18:44:30] <timf> ilan: yes
[2007-07-08 18:44:34] <scubacuda> alex: good idea.
[2007-07-08 18:44:35] <cpage> baris - cool... and nvidia's officially
neutral to the reverse engineering effort at least
[2007-07-08 18:45:02] <cpage> ati can't be coaxed out of their crumbling
(thanks amd) ivory tower to comment
[2007-07-08 18:45:04] <alex> ilan: I'll be at Oscon. Is there a BOF
for scale planned?
[2007-07-08 18:45:05] <Gareth> alex: good point.
[2007-07-08 18:45:08] <ilan> bariswheel: i would be interesting to get
some of the f/loss projects behind the drivers out though
[2007-07-08 18:45:26] <bariswheel> ilan: if we can provide them the
right incentives, theyĺl come, though I agree thatś the challenging part
[2007-07-08 18:45:35] <cpage> airfare usually helps
[2007-07-08 18:45:36] <cesman> man, this margarita is tasty!
[2007-07-08 18:45:36] <scubacuda> I'd also like to see more structured
(i.e. planned) activities on Saturday night. Last year sorta fizzled
(but in a somewhat entertaining way)
[2007-07-08 18:45:37] <ilan> alex: not at the moment, we have a booth
though. i can ask about setting up a bof.
[2007-07-08 18:46:10] <dlavigne> is there a scale booth at oscon?
[2007-07-08 18:46:13] <ilan> scubacuda: anything specific you'd like to
us to provide?
[2007-07-08 18:46:18] <ilan> dlavigne: yes
[2007-07-08 18:46:25] <ilan> dlavigne: booth #923
[2007-07-08 18:46:25] <Gareth> scubacuda: thats one of the areas where
we have plans to improve...
[2007-07-08 18:46:26] <MrWGW> oh btw, I was interested to note that
NetBSD and FreeBSD were present at Scale 5x, but not OpenBSD, would that
be just due to OpenBSD's general hatred of Linux?
[2007-07-08 18:46:27] <scubacuda> ilan: nothing in particular. the
raffle was definitely fun, though.
[2007-07-08 18:46:27] <shyam> MrWGW: the keynote idea will be revisited
this year, ideally we would like to have a keynote but last year we had
a lot of good proposals and we figured that it might be more productive
to avoid the keynote and add 3 more sessions instead...we will revisit
that for this year as well...
[2007-07-08 18:46:40] <MrWGW> I also loved the late night sessions
[2007-07-08 18:46:45] <MrWGW> those were fun, interesting and kind of
unusual
[2007-07-08 18:46:47] <Gareth> MrWGW: OpenBSD has never been very
receptive to SCALE..
[2007-07-08 18:47:02] <ilan> MrWGW: mostly because of the Linux in our name
[2007-07-08 18:47:03] <MrWGW> unsuprising
[2007-07-08 18:47:08] <Gareth> MrWGW: they are invited each year and
decline each year.
[2007-07-08 18:47:47] <MrWGW> a person whose will go unnamed told me
that he went to SCALE because he thought it stood for "Southern
California Alternative to Linux Expo"
[2007-07-08 18:47:59] <ilan> MrWGW: heh.
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[2007-07-08 18:48:01] <Gareth> MrWGW: hmm..interesting.
[2007-07-08 18:48:05] <cpage> lol
[2007-07-08 18:48:11] <MrWGW> and he was actually serious
[2007-07-08 18:48:26] <scubacuda> Topics I'd like to see more of (mainly
b/c I work in these areas): virtualization, cross platform F/OSS tools,
Linux in heterogenous environments
[2007-07-08 18:48:29] <cpage> well it could be seen as an alternative to
linuxworld expo ;)
[2007-07-08 18:48:34] <dlavigne> gareth: who do you send the openbsd
invitation to?
[2007-07-08 18:48:42] <dlavigne> there are some amenable members in that
community
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[2007-07-08 18:49:06] <ilan> many of you work with Linux as your day
job. how do you think we can get your coworkers who use OSS as part of
their day job to attend? there a large number of corporate users who
are very much uninvolved in the user group community and don't attend SCALE
[2007-07-08 18:49:21] <Gareth> dlavigne: usually directly to Theo...Id
like to see them there and would be interested in a person with more
interest...
[2007-07-08 18:49:32] <Orv> We never could figure out a good acronym for
the "SoCal Free and Open Source Software Expo" :-/
[2007-07-08 18:49:40] <dlavigne> gareth: ah, that's why. I'll ask around
the people who actually like to do booths
[2007-07-08 18:49:41] <Orv> Besides everyone knows it as SCaLE now.
[2007-07-08 18:49:43] <MrWGW> the argument though that SCALE is some
kind of Linux specific event to the exclusion of other open source
operating system type projects is absurd, given that at 5x we had people
from NetBSD, OpenBSD, Sun, and Haiku
[2007-07-08 18:49:47] <ilan> dlavigne: it would be great to see a talk
by the *BSD folks.
[2007-07-08 18:49:50] <Gareth> dlavigne: excellant..thanks.
[2007-07-08 18:49:57] <Orv> MrWGW: and FSF ;-)
[2007-07-08 18:49:57] <scubacuda> ilan: my bet would be to have some
sort of session on F/OSS equivs to proprietary software
[2007-07-08 18:50:02] <MrWGW> yes, I concurr ilan on that point
[2007-07-08 18:50:12] * MrWGW will refrain from commenting on GNU at
this time
[2007-07-08 18:50:19] <MrWGW> ;)
[2007-07-08 18:50:22] <cesman> lol
[2007-07-08 18:50:24] <timf> ilan: focus on 'how-to' with concrete
take-away that benefits them at work
[2007-07-08 18:50:54] <Orv> timf: SCALE's mission statement focuses on
education; that lines up neatly with it.
[2007-07-08 18:51:02] <leiz> RMS wants us to be the So Cal GNU/Linux
Expo - SCAGLE ;)
[2007-07-08 18:51:15] <scubacuda> ilan: people who don't already drink
the F/OSS kool aid become interested in it when they find some "free"
tool for something that they'd otherwise have to pay lots of money for
(e.g. Gimp, OOo, Evolution, etc)
[2007-07-08 18:51:44] <MrWGW> Leiz: ha!
[2007-07-08 18:51:51] <timf> ilan: things like wireshark etc too
[2007-07-08 18:51:53] <scubacuda> leiz: just put SCAGLE on the invite
you send him
[2007-07-08 18:52:02] <Gareth> A session (maybe a Friday one) focusing
on Open Source success from some speakers from a few of the SCALE
sponsors would help get people to SCALE, Friday events are typically
easier to get a company to pay for since its during the work weel.
[2007-07-08 18:52:04] <ilan> scubacuda: im always suprirsed by the
number of people who work as Linux admins for their day job, but have a
general disdain for open-source and the community.
[2007-07-08 18:52:23] <scubacuda> ilan: what do you mean?
[2007-07-08 18:52:39] <MrWGW> what about the Busybox people?
[2007-07-08 18:52:46] <MrWGW> the talk about GNU reminded me of them
[2007-07-08 18:52:54] <timf> ilan: fwiw that's not limited to linux
admins anymore
[2007-07-08 18:52:55] <ilan> scubacuda: people who make a living using
Linux, but can't stand the open-source community aspect of it.
[2007-07-08 18:53:12] <ilan> timf: :)
[2007-07-08 18:53:14] <scubacuda> ilan: oh, yeah... i see those ppl too,
but not very often, fortunately
[2007-07-08 18:53:22] <MrWGW> at SCALE 5x there was a promising-looking
talk about modding consumer devices like Linksys routers, but I found it
to be kind've boring, but it would be interesting to see more content on
that
[2007-07-08 18:53:32] <MrWGW> things like busybox-using minidistros for
routers, et cetera
[2007-07-08 18:53:40] <scubacuda> MrWGW: like dd-wrt?
[2007-07-08 18:53:45] <Orv> MrWGW: There's been a lot of interest in
that lately; good idea.
[2007-07-08 18:53:47] <MrWGW> or Tomato, or Sveasoft
[2007-07-08 18:54:01] <timf> how about reaching out to small businesses?
[2007-07-08 18:54:02] <MrWGW> you might even see if Linksys wants to
open a booth to sell the Linux-equipped WRT54GL router
[2007-07-08 18:54:11] <scubacuda> dd-wrt > sveasoft (from my experience)
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[2007-07-08 18:54:15] <cesman> if anyone is interested in a talk about
Linux and home entertainment, I'm all over it
[2007-07-08 18:54:19] <cpage> i'm playing with opengl shaders a bit but
i don't know if i'd have anything worth showing... but i might
[2007-07-08 18:54:21] <MrWGW> right...small businesses are among the
most severe victims of proprietary software
[2007-07-08 18:54:30] <cpage> sveasoft's ideology sucks.
[2007-07-08 18:54:45] <MrWGW> I've never used Sveasoft so I can't
comment, I use Tomato firmware
[2007-07-08 18:54:52] <Orv> cpage: Yeah, it's gotten them some bad
publicity.
[2007-07-08 18:54:55] <Gareth> cesman: definately submit a paper when
the CFP comes out.
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[2007-07-08 18:55:06] <xed2> ifoo and I were considering doing a talk on
when and when not to use open source when consulting/working for small
businesses as your clients
[2007-07-08 18:55:09] <xed2> anyone interested in that ?
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[2007-07-08 18:55:16] <cesman> Gareth: will do
[2007-07-08 18:55:25] <Orv> xed2: Submit it; we'll see.
[2007-07-08 18:55:33] <xed2> Cool deal
[2007-07-08 18:55:34] <scubacuda> xed2: interesting...i'd like to hear
more. "when not to drink the kool aid"
[2007-07-08 18:55:37] <shyam> xed2: yes please do...
[2007-07-08 18:55:41] <xed2> I missed the whole presentation
[2007-07-08 18:55:42] <no_strings> cesman: I think the home
entertainment angle is a good topic. The KnoppMyth booth always has
high traffic and the cutoff of the listing service has a lot of people
talking.
[2007-07-08 18:55:49] <xed2> scubacuda: was that sarcasm ?
[2007-07-08 18:55:51] <dlavigne> orv: you mentioned wordsmiths. just for
announcements or other stuff?
[2007-07-08 18:55:54] <MrWGW> if your client is Microsoft, presumably
that would be a good time to show up with a laptop running Windows Vista
[2007-07-08 18:56:16] <Orv> dlavigne: pretty much.
[2007-07-08 18:56:19] <shyam> cesman: linux and home
entertainment....yup we will be happy to explore that topic
[2007-07-08 18:56:25] <MrWGW> btw Microsoft retains more graphics design
firms of disparate shapes and sizes than any other company I'm aware of,
although P&G probably spends more money on graphics
[2007-07-08 18:56:30] <Orv> dlavigne: And I'm always looking for new
outlets to post things on.
[2007-07-08 18:56:34] <scubacuda> xed2: somewhat. i have this
discussion with my coworkers all the time. I make most of my living with
cisco and MS -- both proprietary software -- so i'm with you on some level
[2007-07-08 18:56:46] <xed2> scubacuda: I see
[2007-07-08 18:56:47] <MrWGW> that would also be interesting...a talk on
Linux in the design world, but of course most designers will never part
with their Crapintosh hardware
[2007-07-08 18:57:03] <ilan> do we have any artists in the channel? i
think ron (rover) would be interested in getting some assistance with
graphic design this year.
[2007-07-08 18:57:26] <MrWGW> well, I do a lot of work in that area, as
I have a branding/design/marketing consultancy
[2007-07-08 18:57:26] <Orv> ilan: timf had given him some assistance
last year, but we can always use more.
[2007-07-08 18:57:30] <timf> ilan: I'm not an artist, but willing to
help as best I can
[2007-07-08 18:57:41] <scubacuda> ilan: there are lots of cool
multimedia tools that are F/OSS based...maybe a session on that.
[2007-07-08 18:57:43] <smichelle> ilan, I'm not an artist, but I've done
some graphic design and could help.
[2007-07-08 18:57:43] <ilan> timf: heh, the work you did last year
counts as "art" in my book :)
[2007-07-08 18:57:44] <MrWGW> and am an AIGA, so yes
[2007-07-08 18:57:53] <Orv> timf: Seems like you might sucked into the
Tech Committee this year ;-)
[2007-07-08 18:58:05] <MrWGW> you know whats annoying about
Inkscape...it could easily replace Adobe Illustrator, were it not for
its lack of support for spot colors
[2007-07-08 18:58:06] <timf> ilan: ooo, get a better book :-)
[2007-07-08 18:58:24] <ilan> Orv: sounds like we'll have him more than
busy this year. especially if he signs on to help with the open source
educaiton sessions
[2007-07-08 18:58:40] <Orv> Yep.
[2007-07-08 18:58:40] <bariswheel> A technical talk on how to transform
a small business Windows run IT shop to one running completely open
source software/linux would be a very good talk. It might attract small
business that who have had their data locked by proprietary
software/hardware incentive to attend
[2007-07-08 18:58:42] <MrWGW> IMO if a forum could be created where
professional designers and print people could share their needs with the
GIMP, Inkscape and Scribus people, that would be awesome
[2007-07-08 18:58:51] <MrWGW> that could rock baris
[2007-07-08 18:58:54] <Orv> bariswheel: Yes, but we need a success story
to validate that.
[2007-07-08 18:59:15] <scubacuda> or how F/OSS can help small biz
environments that are at the Microsoft Small Business Server level
[2007-07-08 18:59:32] <timf> bariswheel: I think we need to cover the
business "why" as part of the "how"
[2007-07-08 18:59:37] <shyam> bariswhell: again something that we are
constantly on a lookout for...
[2007-07-08 18:59:39] <dlavigne> I can get success stories, but they'll
probably be Canadian
[2007-07-08 18:59:42] * Hawkwind Pokes xed2 just for fun
[2007-07-08 18:59:47] <bariswheel> I am always hearing news left and
right on countries tranforming their infrastructure and saving tons of
money, those would be good cases to cover
[2007-07-08 18:59:58] <scubacuda> bariswheel: like Cuba and Venezuela...?
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[2007-07-08 19:00:02] <Orv> bariswheel: Yeah, but it's a US show; we
need US success stories...
[2007-07-08 19:00:02] <timf> orv: Indiana schools system is a pretty
great success story
[2007-07-08 19:00:07] <cpage> sweet
[2007-07-08 19:00:11] <Orv> timf: Yeah, I saw that.
[2007-07-08 19:00:16] <JasonR> Would it be possible to ask vendors who
are presenting to keep more to the OS side of things and less to
promoting their product?
[2007-07-08 19:00:24] <ilan> Orv: wasn't kim brand involved with that?
[2007-07-08 19:00:25] <MrWGW> well SoCalAMA, at my sole instance, and
against some resistance, is switching to open source software...when we
buy a laptop later this month, it, and our paid executive director, will
start using Linux
[2007-07-08 19:00:30] <cpage> there's probably room for an asus
eee/folio talk - both of those should be out well before scale.
[2007-07-08 19:00:31] <smichelle> timf, "Why" is more important than
"How" becuase that comes first :)
[2007-07-08 19:00:34] <Orv> ilan: Was he Indiana?
[2007-07-08 19:00:39] <ilan> Orv: i think so
[2007-07-08 19:00:39] <cpage> and the wifi openmoko might just be out
then ;)
[2007-07-08 19:00:42] <MrWGW> to some extent though JasonR there is a
real need for them to feel comfortable and feel like they are getting
some ROI
[2007-07-08 19:01:02] <JasonR> MrWGW, yes, but that should be the booth
more than the presentation.
[2007-07-08 19:01:07] <Gareth> dlavigne: open source success stories
from outside the US are great...they're good for reminding people how
things should be here :)
[2007-07-08 19:01:09] <cpage> (speaking of the first version is finally
up for sale)
[2007-07-08 19:01:09] <MrWGW> that said, there were some annoying
vendors, like this one computer repair outfit, that were in businesses
that weren't terribly Linux-relevant
[2007-07-08 19:01:21] <MrWGW> ooh I see what you're saying Jason, yes, I
agree
[2007-07-08 19:01:30] <shyam> JasonR: yes we have this issue in a couple
of talks...the problem in some cases is that the abstract and the
ensuing discussions do indicate that they will not do a product market
but int he end it still ends up thta way...we have learnt from our prior
experiences and will try to avoid that this year!
[2007-07-08 19:01:31] <scubacuda> economic reasons that a whole country
would switch -- now that would be interesting to hear (e.g. creating
jobs, differences in wages, etc)
[2007-07-08 19:01:49] <Gareth> *** Those interested in helping out our
Art team for SCALE 6x, please email [email protected] ***
[2007-07-08 19:01:55] <MrWGW> btw I noticed that Dell, IBM and Sun were
present but HP, in spite of claiming to sell more Linux servers than
anyone, was absent
[2007-07-08 19:02:01] <MrWGW> have you tried getting them on board?
[2007-07-08 19:02:14] <Gareth> MrWGW: HP contacted SCALE t he week
before the event.
[2007-07-08 19:02:16] * MrWGW makes a note to do that, thank you Gareth
[2007-07-08 19:02:20] <ilan> MrWGW: HP was present last year. not in
full force, but they did buy SCALE attendees coffee and cookies :)
[2007-07-08 19:02:47] <scubacuda> ilan: are clubs allowed to bring food
and drink? or is that against the hotel policy?
[2007-07-08 19:02:52] <MrWGW> I just didn't see them, I had worried that
they had snubbed it or some such, but that didn't seem to gel with the
experiences I've had with some outstanding HP employees
[2007-07-08 19:03:09] <ilan> scubacuda: we aren't allowed to sell food,
but you are welcome to bring your own.
[2007-07-08 19:03:17] <MrWGW> I'm not an HP fan in terms of their
hardware, but they have some awesome people, and it would be nice to see
HP out in full force at SCALE
[2007-07-08 19:03:30] <scubacuda> ilan: bring and share -- like bring a
lot and give out at a booth?
[2007-07-08 19:03:32] <Gareth> scubacuda: depends on the food...certain
things they dont mind, most exhibitors bring in candy and snacks for
attendees.
[2007-07-08 19:03:47] * cesman hopes we don't have any more electrical
problems ;)
[2007-07-08 19:04:06] <ilan> scubacuda: depends on what i guess... there
are insurance issues for SCALE too if its a lot of food or full meals.
due to liability.
[2007-07-08 19:04:08] <Gareth> cesman: an area we will most definitely
focus on improving for SCALE 6 :)
[2007-07-08 19:04:16] <cesman> lol
[2007-07-08 19:04:17] <alex> BTW: The drinks services at the Westin
were sufficiently obnoxious and surly last year people where heading out
of the hotel to get a cuppa. It seems to be an opportunity for general
sponsorship (in the expo hall) that was missed. Having an open area in
the back of the expo hall encourages people to hang around and chat over
a cuppa instead of buggering off.
[2007-07-08 19:04:19] <MrWGW> I found the food in the restaurant
overpriced and annoying, but show me a hotel that doesn't have a lousy
restaurant...
[2007-07-08 19:04:32] <Gareth> alex: Noted. thank you.
[2007-07-08 19:04:33] <ilan> candy and small treats are one thing.
giving away or selling lunch could get us in to trouble if you forget to
nuke that hotdog first :)
[2007-07-08 19:04:37] <cesman> what is a cuppa?
[2007-07-08 19:04:37] <scubacuda> ilan: I guess Baked Alaska might be
out of the question then, liability-wise
[2007-07-08 19:04:42] <bariswheel> I had also noticed people a bit
uncomfortable with the air conditioning, perhaps the large amount of
people added a lot more heat to the rooms than expected
[2007-07-08 19:04:44] <Orv> MrWGW: The Subway sandwich shop did a
booming business on Saturday; we'll give them a heads-up prior this year.
[2007-07-08 19:04:45] <MrWGW> weren't there bottles of water et cetera
in the foyer?
[2007-07-08 19:04:55] <MrWGW> or was that another conference I went to...
[2007-07-08 19:05:01] <Gareth> alex: we had regular coffee services but
we'll step that up a bit in the morning for next year.
[2007-07-08 19:05:03] * cesman hopes to get a room next year...
[2007-07-08 19:05:09] <ilan> scubacuda: yes, i think it would :)
[2007-07-08 19:05:10] <Orv> cesman: "cuppa" coffee... ;-)
[2007-07-08 19:05:14] <cesman> if so, I'll make margaritas in the room
[2007-07-08 19:05:14] <MrWGW> I go to so many they all kind of mesh
together into a massive indeterminate amorphous blob of people
[2007-07-08 19:05:21] * cesman doesn't drink coffee
[2007-07-08 19:05:24] <tking> When can I reserve my room?
[2007-07-08 19:05:30] * tking missed that part.
[2007-07-08 19:05:58] <ilan> tking: starting in August, i believe.
[2007-07-08 19:05:59] <Gareth> tking: the dates for S6X are in the topic..
[2007-07-08 19:06:08] <ilan> tking: assuming you mean hotel rooms
[2007-07-08 19:06:14] <tking> hotel room.
[2007-07-08 19:06:15] <tking> yes
[2007-07-08 19:06:16] <scubacuda> i'd also like to make sure that the
speakers are better speakers. e.g. repeating the questions, releasing
their slides, talking into the mics, etc.
[2007-07-08 19:06:28] <MrWGW> oh btw, I have a really slightly insane
suggestion that probably wouldn't work
[2007-07-08 19:06:30] <shyam> scubacuda: noted
[2007-07-08 19:06:45] <MrWGW> what would you think about having some
people from the proprietary world give a talk explaining things from
their perspective?
[2007-07-08 19:06:49] <Gareth> MrWGW: most of mine are usaully insane
and most think they wont work.
[2007-07-08 19:06:51] <MrWGW> in the interest of fairness
[2007-07-08 19:06:55] <ilan> scubacuda: many of the slides and audio are
on the SCALE site btw
[2007-07-08 19:07:01] <Gareth> MrWGW: a panel debate might be interesting.
[2007-07-08 19:07:13] <alex> cesman: cuppa is usually tea for certain
ethnicities ...
[2007-07-08 19:07:27] <MrWGW> or if you coud arrange to facilitate the
implementation of Stu's idea for a faceoff between Ballmer and RMS
[2007-07-08 19:07:28] <scubacuda> ilan: also, not to sound anal...but
some of the ppl introducing the speakers don't give the ppl a good intro.
[2007-07-08 19:07:30] <MrWGW> *could
[2007-07-08 19:07:38] <yock> I wonder if Ernie Ball might be willing to
give a "Five Years Later" retrospective at SCALE.
[2007-07-08 19:07:47] <Gareth> MrWGW: that would most likley be difficult.
[2007-07-08 19:07:52] <ilan> scubacuda: sounds like you need to join
shyam's committee and help with that :)
[2007-07-08 19:07:52] <Gareth> yock: that *would* be interesting.
[2007-07-08 19:07:58] <JasonR> yock, are they still using Linux?
[2007-07-08 19:08:04] <MrWGW> indeed
[2007-07-08 19:08:13] <leiz> scubacuda : on that note, we really should
have a couple people in every room to look after things
[2007-07-08 19:08:25] <scubacuda> ilan: shoot me over his email address:
scubacuda @ gmail.com
[2007-07-08 19:08:31] <leiz> if you ever watched the videos from
linux.conf.au ...
[2007-07-08 19:08:33] <yock> JasonR: The most recent mention I could
find was CEO Ball himself in their forums, posted in 2005. Linux was
still strong then.
[2007-07-08 19:08:38] <yock> Also...
[2007-07-08 19:08:46] <ilan> scubacuda: [email protected]
[2007-07-08 19:08:46] <scubacuda> (i also realize that sometimes things
are slammed together, and that speakers don't always get their info in
promptly)
[2007-07-08 19:08:57] <scubacuda> ilan: noted, thx
[2007-07-08 19:09:02] <MrWGW> what is interesting about teh Australian
conference?
[2007-07-08 19:09:02] <yock> They have a job posted right now for a
"Unix, Linux, Solaris, and Macintosh" admin
[2007-07-08 19:09:13] <shyam> scubacuda: yup volunteers on the day off
is always an issue...we try to get as many as we can but its always a
struggle...ideally we would like to have people giving introductions so
that they are very clear and crisp and have it rehearsed but have not
been in that envious position so far...but we will try and improve on
that this year
[2007-07-08 19:09:13] <tking> Gareth: our LUG including stephanie wants
to do podcasts of the talks for after the conference is over?
[2007-07-08 19:09:19] <ilan> scubacuda: check the hotel lobby the night
before SCALE, you'll find all th speakers working on their slides heh
[2007-07-08 19:09:23] * cesman has food on the grill
[2007-07-08 19:09:24] <yock> conspicuously absent is the need for
Windows administration
[2007-07-08 19:09:25] <cesman> bbl
[2007-07-08 19:09:27] <tking> if thats appropraite.
[2007-07-08 19:09:32] <Gareth> tking: Okay. email me details..we'll talk.
[2007-07-08 19:09:35] <scubacuda> how about a separate area for jobs?
[2007-07-08 19:09:37] <tking> okay
[2007-07-08 19:09:40] <alex> What are the chances of an airline
sponsoring by providing a discount code?
[2007-07-08 19:09:41] <scubacuda> that might get certain companies
interested
[2007-07-08 19:09:50] <MrWGW> airlines offer special conference fairs
[2007-07-08 19:09:51] <cpage> i'm thinking nslu2's with a[/v] equipment
and storage... audio would be pretty straightforward
[2007-07-08 19:09:52] <JasonR> shyam, I'm happy to help with
introductions if you'd like.
[2007-07-08 19:09:54] <leiz> MrWGW : they have volunteers in the rooms
to properly introduce the speakers, make sure attendees who ask
questions get a mic, watch the time to make sure the speaker isn't
running over, etc.
[2007-07-08 19:09:54] <Gareth> alex: good idea..we can look into that.
[2007-07-08 19:09:58] <yock> alex: As I live in Cincinnati, I like the
sound of that =)
[2007-07-08 19:10:14] <MrWGW> oh dang it I figured they got rowdy, hence
the need for supervision
[2007-07-08 19:10:20] <scubacuda> like a certain job posting board,
etc...or a place where interested *nix users could leave their
information to be freely contacted by the headhunters who attend
[2007-07-08 19:10:24] <shyam> JasonR: i have u down as covering one of
the speaker rooms;)
[2007-07-08 19:10:25] <MrWGW> I was really looking forward to seeing
some online videos of an open source barfight
[2007-07-08 19:10:26] <MrWGW> ;-P
[2007-07-08 19:10:27] <ilan> alex: we investigated that last year. the
discounts were minimal compared to what you could find on a typical
travel site (travelocity)
[2007-07-08 19:10:30] <ilan> etc
[2007-07-08 19:10:42] <MrWGW> also one might argue that the regional
nature of SCALE makes that irrelevant anyway
[2007-07-08 19:10:45] <scubacuda> that might make SCaLE something more
interesting to businesses
[2007-07-08 19:10:51] <ilan> scubacuda: thats not a bad idea. we had a
white board / peg board last year but it didn't see much use
[2007-07-08 19:11:10] <ilan> scubacuda: we've also discussed doing a job
fair during one of the evenings
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[2007-07-08 19:11:23] <scubacuda> ilan: headhunters call me all the time
asking for ppl who do certain types of *nix stuff, and i'd rather them
talk directly to the ppl who want/need work.
[2007-07-08 19:11:30] <johnjay> hi2all
[2007-07-08 19:11:35] <MrWGW> oh btw why not make people who insist on
using Windows or Apple laptops during SCALE wear buttons that say "I'm
An Idiot" ?
[2007-07-08 19:11:43] <MrWGW> sorry, slightly facetious suggestion, but...
[2007-07-08 19:11:43] <Gareth> johnjay: evening..welcome to #scale-chat
[2007-07-08 19:11:56] <Gareth> MrWGW: that might be bad for attendance :P
[2007-07-08 19:12:07] <timf> ilan: how about a "find some help/find a
gig" page on the site -
[2007-07-08 19:12:08] <ilan> scubacuda: agreed. ive half jokingly
considered creating a SCALE job board on the site based on the number of
recruiters who call us daily.
[2007-07-08 19:12:10] <MrWGW> to be fair though I booted up Windows at
one point to demonstrate VMWare, and a Tablet PC app that I want to see
cloned
[2007-07-08 19:12:18] <mproctor> Was there an opensource bar fight that
I missed?
[2007-07-08 19:12:54] <MrWGW> oh btw, if WiiLi is successful in time for
SCALE 6x, it would be awesome if that could be demoed
[2007-07-08 19:12:58] <ilan> timf: ya, its really not a bad idea.
recruiters call us all the time asking where they can hire good Linux
admins or developers.
[2007-07-08 19:13:06] <scubacuda> what area of SCaLE needs the most
boosting? Attendance? Commercial sponsorship? Volunteers? Talks?
[2007-07-08 19:13:10] <johnjay> are wifi download rates going to be any
better this year?
[2007-07-08 19:13:10] <MrWGW> they may or may not be, but I suspect
Nintendo's WiiWare initiative will result in the Wii becoming a lot
easier to hack
[2007-07-08 19:13:12] <Gareth> MrWGW: noted. I'll look into it as we
get closer to SCALE.
[2007-07-08 19:13:28] <alex> Are there enough companies, among those
that generally sponsor, to staff up the conference A/V support from
their qualified employees that would like to attend the talks in any case?
[2007-07-08 19:13:29] <timf> ilan: they could sponsor, but free to
people asking for help?
[2007-07-08 19:13:32] <ilan> (speaking of which. off topic, but if
you're interested in a Linux sysadmin position please ping me
[email protected] my employer has a few positions open )
[2007-07-08 19:13:36] <MrWGW> Nintendo may even agree to let WiiLi be
distributed via the WiiWare download system, which would be awesome, but
I doubt it will happen
[2007-07-08 19:13:42] <smichelle> MrWGW brings up an interesting point.
Is SCALE still considered regional? Seems like SCALE has expanded
somewhat. Are there any general plans for international speakers?
[2007-07-08 19:13:56] <ilan> timf: ya, not a bad idea.
[2007-07-08 19:14:01] <cpage> nobody's broken wii security yet... have they?
[2007-07-08 19:14:08] <cpage> (except for pirate disks)
[2007-07-08 19:14:16] <alex> (my employer does too, funnily enough)
[2007-07-08 19:14:19] <scubacuda> The Inland Empire area (Redlands,
Riverside, Temecula, etc) is growing. I'd like to hear more about
emerging clubs, but not sure the best way to do that.
[2007-07-08 19:14:19] <ilan> cpage: not that i know of....
[2007-07-08 19:14:25] <akk> smichelle: Lots of regions don't have any
decent linux conferences, so even if SCALE is regional, some
out-of-region people will be interested.
[2007-07-08 19:14:28] <ilan> alex: heh, when aren't they ? :)
[2007-07-08 19:14:29] <MrWGW> Regional though is not neccessarily bad
[2007-07-08 19:14:51] <MrWGW> actually I think cpage the problem is more
with the Wii platform just being alien and undocumented to the point
where getting code to run on it is non trivial
[2007-07-08 19:15:00] <MrWGW> and also there's probably some DRM in
terms of game loading
[2007-07-08 19:15:12] <shyam> smichelle: usually we do have a budget
allocated for speaker travel and lodging but its mostly for within the
US...Jono Bacon has been down from UK the past 2 years but resource
constraints dont generally allow us to provide sponsorship for
international travel...having said that if Linus wants to come we will
get him what he wants:P
[2007-07-08 19:15:20] <MrWGW> but the Wii's USB ports and SD card
reader, as well as its WiFi, are all attack vectors IMO
[2007-07-08 19:15:20] <Gareth> smichelle: we had a few international
speakers last year...a few of the WIOS speakers were, dlavigne is from
Canada. we had a few of them from Germany and UK as well.
[2007-07-08 19:15:23] <cpage> the wii platform itself is mostly an
upscaled gamecube though and there was some gamecube linux
[2007-07-08 19:15:24] <MrWGW> and WiiWare will make it that much easier
[2007-07-08 19:15:32] <cpage> yeah... wiiware might break it open
[2007-07-08 19:15:47] <scubacuda> at 5x, the dude at from OpenVZ was
from Russia
[2007-07-08 19:15:47] <Gareth> shyam: have you heard anything from Jono
regarding SCALE 6?
[2007-07-08 19:15:52] <MrWGW> I find it noteworthy btw that all three of
the current generation of consoles are somewhat open
[2007-07-08 19:15:56] <cpage> that said the ds is completely blown open
so i don't doubt that wii'll suffer the same fate eventually
[2007-07-08 19:16:03] <ilan> Jono will be at SCALE its on his calendar
[2007-07-08 19:16:05] <yock> I wonder if Jono would be willing to do a
LUG Radio segment from SCALE
[2007-07-08 19:16:06] <shyam> gareth: not yet but i suspect that he will
b there in 6x as well :-)
[2007-07-08 19:16:16] <Gareth> shyam: excellant.
[2007-07-08 19:16:20] <MrWGW> the PS3 runs Linux, and the XBox supports
independent games...a sure condemnation of the ultimate worthlessness of
closed platform systems
[2007-07-08 19:16:24] <Gareth> yock: thats a good idea..
[2007-07-08 19:16:38] <ilan> shyam: he said its on his calendar and he'd
like to attend whether or not he speaks
[2007-07-08 19:16:40] <yock> He has always done a review
[2007-07-08 19:16:41] <cpage> if ps3 linux had nvdriver it would
actually mean something
[2007-07-08 19:17:08] <Gareth> yock: perhaps if you're able to attend
S6X and Jono is interested in doing that, you can team up with him on it?
[2007-07-08 19:17:08] <MrWGW> well IIRC there is something in the PS3
hardware that locks it out but don't quote me on that
[2007-07-08 19:17:08] <shyam> ilan: yup thats good to know...one way or
another we will like him to b there..hes been really great!
[2007-07-08 19:17:22] <cpage> they can't open up the rsx because it was
grafted on and would break the security model
[2007-07-08 19:17:23] <Gareth> shyam: maybe mention the LUG Radio live
idea to Jono when you contact him...
[2007-07-08 19:17:24] <MrWGW> also IIRC you can install any PPC distro
on the PS3, its not exclusive to YDL
[2007-07-08 19:17:39] <shyam> gareth: sure will do
[2007-07-08 19:17:40] <cpage> yeah
[2007-07-08 19:17:47] <yock> Gareth: I'll know more in a few months if I
can come out. If he's hip to the idea, I'd be eager to coordinate with him.
[2007-07-08 19:17:48] <MrWGW> demoing a PS3 running Linux would of
course be less compelling than demoing a Wii with Linux
[2007-07-08 19:17:58] <cpage> ps3 was demoed this year @ gentoo anyhow ;)
[2007-07-08 19:18:08] * MrWGW did not know that
[2007-07-08 19:18:13] <MrWGW> at 5x?
[2007-07-08 19:18:15] <MrWGW> was Gentoo there?
[2007-07-08 19:18:16] <cpage> yeah
[2007-07-08 19:18:17] <Gareth> yock: awesome..I think that woul dbe a
fun thing or S6X
[2007-07-08 19:18:19] <ilan> yock: i think he played our promo last year
too. (the one you made)
[2007-07-08 19:18:20] <MrWGW> I was totally oblivous to their presence I
guess
[2007-07-08 19:18:26] * johnjay was across the Gentoo booth @ PostgreSQL
[2007-07-08 19:18:42] <Gareth> MrWGW: Gentoo was there.
[2007-07-08 19:18:44] <scubacuda> MrWGW: gentoo was there last year
[2007-07-08 19:18:54] <MrWGW> good to note
[2007-07-08 19:19:03] <JasonR> I would like to hear more from PostgreSQL.
[2007-07-08 19:19:04] <scubacuda> MrWGW: they were in the back left
corner of the room, if I remember right
[2007-07-08 19:19:07] <ilan> yock: ted heager wanted to do a similar
show at SCALE this year, but hes not at novell any more so that will
probably not happen
[2007-07-08 19:19:08] <yock> ilan: I sent it to him, but I never heard
back from them.
[2007-07-08 19:19:32] <johnjay> JasonR: there were supposed to be just
more than me here...anybody else here from postgres?
[2007-07-08 19:19:39] <MrWGW> will Novell be there again (I hope)?
[2007-07-08 19:19:43] <Gareth> SCALE 5x had all the major dotORG Linux
distrutions in attendance.
[2007-07-08 19:19:57] <ilan> MrWGW: i believe so. we're going to start
contacting companies in the next few weeks.
[2007-07-08 19:20:10] <MrWGW> there are some new ones that it might be
nice to have this time around
[2007-07-08 19:20:14] <ilan> MrWGW: as i mentioned before we're looking
for more people on the SCALE sales team :)
[2007-07-08 19:20:15] <JasonR> johnjay, I mean at SCALE 6x. ;-) I like
your product and would like to see a presentation on it.
[2007-07-08 19:20:15] <MrWGW> was PCLinuxOS represented?
[2007-07-08 19:20:22] <MrWGW> also Mint Linux is another new one that
seems to be getting alot of press
[2007-07-08 19:20:23] <yock> Now, Ted did e-mail me back last year, very
enthusiastically I might add
[2007-07-08 19:20:32] <Gareth> johnjay: Josh emailed me saying he would
be unable to attend...but someone noted that Postgresql would be at
LinuxWorld...
[2007-07-08 19:20:39] <yock> Is Haeger still involved with FOSS?
[2007-07-08 19:20:39] <Gareth> MrWGW: No...
[2007-07-08 19:20:47] <johnjay> JasonR: ah, i believe there was a live
mysql comparison demo
[2007-07-08 19:21:02] <johnjay> i need to talk to josh and david and
figure out what is going on
[2007-07-08 19:21:05] <MrWGW> well I have to eat
[2007-07-08 19:21:06] <JasonR> I must have missed that.
[2007-07-08 19:21:07] <MrWGW> but it sounds interesting
[2007-07-08 19:21:08] <MrWGW> bye
[2007-07-08 19:21:14] <ilan> yock: hes working for bungee labs now.
they create development tools. not open-source though
[2007-07-08 19:21:17] <scubacuda> MrWGW: Mint is one of the many
Ubuntu-based distros that are gaining traction.
[2007-07-08 19:21:19] <johnjay> JasonR: it's in the works for 6x iirc
[2007-07-08 19:21:34] <johnjay> a bit difficult to demo a dbms :-o
[2007-07-08 19:22:00] <dlavigne> gareth: do you do an announcement on
the postgres mailing list re: cfp?
[2007-07-08 19:22:08] <Gareth> dlavigne: we will.
[2007-07-08 19:22:08] <ilan> dlavigne: we have in the past.
[2007-07-08 19:22:10] <scubacuda> on a a side note, the dude who did the
iptables talk last year did a good job of showing cool stuff without
making the whole talk about his company
[2007-07-08 19:22:27] <Gareth> dlavigne: we usually try to get the CFP
out to as many open source related lists as possible.
[2007-07-08 19:22:32] <dlavigne> k
[2007-07-08 19:22:34] <scubacuda> (those are the types of company talks
i like to see)
[2007-07-08 19:22:57] <shyam> scubacuda: ditto:)
[2007-07-08 19:22:59] <Gareth> dlavigne: if you're on a list that you
havent seen it posted to...by all means, pass it along.
[2007-07-08 19:23:16] <dlavigne> k
[2007-07-08 19:23:23] <ilan> scubacuda: agreed. we encourage speakers
to run their talks that way.
[2007-07-08 19:23:23] <Gareth> dlavigne: thanks.
[2007-07-08 19:23:54] <scubacuda> ilan: i don't really have any
complains in that dept. none of the speakers, i felt, really hijacked
the talk.
[2007-07-08 19:24:02] <Gareth> Since LinuxWorld has been mentioned a few
times...is anyone planning to attend this year?
[2007-07-08 19:24:12] <scubacuda> gareth: in Boston or SF?
[2007-07-08 19:24:18] <Gareth> scubacuda: SF
[2007-07-08 19:24:22] <alex> I'll be at SFO.
[2007-07-08 19:24:30] <scubacuda> gareth: might be worth checking out
[2007-07-08 19:24:50] <Gareth> alex: ah cool..I'll be up for the first
two days of the exhibits...I'll an eye out for you.
[2007-07-08 19:24:52] <ilan> I'll be at SFO, if anyone would like to
help me walk the floor and pimp SCALE
[2007-07-08 19:25:05] <Gareth> alex: will you be at the Google booth?
[2007-07-08 19:25:21] <scubacuda> ilan: a purple hat and feather should
help you do that.
[2007-07-08 19:25:25] <Gareth> alex: er..keep an eye out for you.
[2007-07-08 19:25:29] <bariswheel> Ilan: I will be at linuxworld
[2007-07-08 19:25:40] <ilan> bariswheel: cool, lets meet up.
[2007-07-08 19:25:52] <alex> gareth: I'll be giving a talk about SRE on
Wednesday at lunchtime. Other than that, I'll probably be wandering the
floor.
[2007-07-08 19:25:52] <ilan> ill be there for the 7th and 8th
[2007-07-08 19:26:06] <Gareth> alex: excellant.
[2007-07-08 19:26:09] <scubacuda> alex: Google's SRE?
[2007-07-08 19:26:28] <yock> How would the community feel about Birds of
a Feather?
[2007-07-08 19:26:33] <alex> scubacuda: yep.
[2007-07-08 19:26:36] <scubacuda> alex: just got interviewed (and shot
down!) by SRE. :b
[2007-07-08 19:26:40] <ilan> yock: at SCALE?
[2007-07-08 19:26:46] <Gareth> yock: we did BoFs last year, they were
very well received.
[2007-07-08 19:26:47] <scubacuda> yock: I think those sessions went very
well
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[2007-07-08 19:26:54] <yock> I know it always seems like a good idea,
but I'm curious as to how much attention it receives in practice
[2007-07-08 19:27:05] <yock> oh yeah?
[2007-07-08 19:27:06] <ilan> yock: we had a good number of them last year.
[2007-07-08 19:27:25] <yock> We had them last year at Ohio Linuxfest,
and it really wasn't noticeable
[2007-07-08 19:27:26] <Gareth> yock: Yup...we did them both days...8
sessions...all of them were full and very popular.
[2007-07-08 19:27:26] <scubacuda> yock: the secret is to not be teh last
ones, as everyone has left by then.
[2007-07-08 19:27:48] <scubacuda> yock: I think that you have to have a
critical mass for them to work.
[2007-07-08 19:28:15] <scubacuda> yock: perhaps make mailing lists or
something that ppl can use to connect afterwards.
[2007-07-08 19:28:32] <Gareth> scubacuda: topic of the BoF is important
too..
[2007-07-08 19:28:34] <alex> I think the main advantage of a BOF is to
encourage each group that's attending one event to actually discuss the
feasibility of being at SCALE while they're all together ... and can
talk to the organizers.
[2007-07-08 19:28:45] <scubacuda> yock: like make a mailman subscription
for, say, [email protected]
[2007-07-08 19:28:58] <alex> I don't think it increases individual
attendance, but improves the quality of teams (i.e. sponsor or booth)
[2007-07-08 19:29:03] <yock> Define critical mass, we had over 1000
attendees last year.
[2007-07-08 19:29:12] <scubacuda> gareth: true, topic is key...
[2007-07-08 19:29:24] <ilan> alex: don marti offered bof space at
LinuxWorld. We can ping OSCON as well.
[2007-07-08 19:30:18] <scubacuda> actually, sometimes the smaller BoF
sessions are good also. quality > quantity
[2007-07-08 19:30:25] <yock> sure
[2007-07-08 19:30:27] <Gareth> alex: BoFs also give a project a chance
to hear from its core audience, face to face interaction accomplishes
alot...completely different experience than an online forum.
[2007-07-08 19:30:45] <yock> Who set the topics for the BoF sessions?
[2007-07-08 19:30:54] <ilan> those who volunteeered to run them
[2007-07-08 19:30:59] <yock> Interesting
[2007-07-08 19:31:06] <scubacuda> ilan: is that how time slots are
dished out also?
[2007-07-08 19:31:19] <Gareth> yock: the volunteers that choose to run
them...we opoened up 8 sessions and it was first come, first served.
[2007-07-08 19:31:31] <ilan> scubacuda: what gareth said.
[2007-07-08 19:31:32] <ilan> :)
[2007-07-08 19:32:12] <Gareth> brb
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[2007-07-08 19:33:43] <alex> gareth: Agreed. For an event project such
as scale, by the time you run the BOF it is usually too late to make
significant changes to the upcoming event. But the comments can be
taken into account for 18 months later.
[2007-07-08 19:34:04] <ilan> alex: any suggestions on how to get more
GOOG folks out next year? you have a pretty big office here in LA.
[2007-07-08 19:34:24] <shyam> maybe leiz can help out as well;-)
[2007-07-08 19:34:35] <ilan> :)
[2007-07-08 19:34:36] <leiz> ilan : like more speakers or ?
[2007-07-08 19:34:45] <shyam> leiz: both:P
[2007-07-08 19:34:46] <ilan> more attendees
[2007-07-08 19:34:47] <scubacuda> alex: perhaps some speakers?
[2007-07-08 19:34:50] <ilan> but both
[2007-07-08 19:35:19] <alex> scubacuda: I put in a talk for 5x and
shyam chose not to to accept it. 8-P
[2007-07-08 19:35:23] <leiz> I think we had ~20 people at scale last year?
[2007-07-08 19:35:31] <scubacuda> I know some pretty knowledgeble google
employees (from my high school), but they're not around here.
[2007-07-08 19:35:49] <yock> alex: now, I know you spoke at the SCALE I
attended. =)
[2007-07-08 19:35:55] <shyam> alex: we really got a lot of good talk
proposals last year...had to reject cause of lack of space...:(
[2007-07-08 19:35:57] <alex> Actually, my biggest concern wrt GOOG was
that we might end up being too big a presence at the event.
[2007-07-08 19:36:15] <scubacuda> alex: what was your talk on?
[2007-07-08 19:36:50] <ilan> leiz: out of how many hundred linux users
at GOOG los angeles ? :)
[2007-07-08 19:37:02] <alex> scubacuda: I have no recollection of that.
Quite likely the SRE topic.
[2007-07-08 19:37:23] <scubacuda> alex: SRE is doing some cool stuff
*nix-wise, I heard. It would be cool to have someone from there speak.
[2007-07-08 19:37:27] <yock> you gave a talk about Debian.
[2007-07-08 19:37:58] <alex> yock: Yeah, that was the previous year.
[2007-07-08 19:38:11] <ilan> alex: before that it was python right?
[2007-07-08 19:38:25] * ilan notied that chat has slowed down a bit
[2007-07-08 19:38:25] <yock> indeed, that was 4x, wasn't it?
[2007-07-08 19:38:34] <alex> I encouraged a different local debian
developer to give the talk for 2007 ... to get some variety in speakers
on the Debian topic.
[2007-07-08 19:38:35] <ilan> is there anything we haven't covered yet,
that you guys would liek to touch on?
[2007-07-08 19:38:43] <shyam> scubacuda: alex's topic was Engineering
Reliability into Web Sites: Google SRE
[2007-07-08 19:38:52] <scubacuda> shyam: thx
[2007-07-08 19:39:20] <scubacuda> one non-Linux topic I'd like to know
-- what is google going to do with the bandwidth that they bought?
[2007-07-08 19:39:31] <Gareth> alex: agreeded...there are alot of
aspects that wouldnt be changable by the time BoF was available, things
like this IRC Chat are helpfl in that regard...however there are other
aspects as SCALE gets closer than be can be discussed at a BoF...they're
also good for letting people know about SCALE at other events and
answering questions in person.
[2007-07-08 19:39:31] <scubacuda> or, i mean, are pushing for
[2007-07-08 19:39:34] <alex> I can ask GOOG video support whether they'd
like to help out with the technical side of the event, but I hadn't
previously done so out of concern of stepping on prior informal commitments.
[2007-07-08 19:40:25] <scubacuda> vids of everything would be cool,
particularly of the question and answer periods
[2007-07-08 19:40:27] <ilan> alex: vidoe support as in taping the talks?
[2007-07-08 19:40:38] <alex> ilan: yeah.
[2007-07-08 19:40:50] <ilan> alex: that would be awesome.
[2007-07-08 19:40:51] <yock> That'd be super sweet
[2007-07-08 19:40:57] <leiz> i forget, did we tape talks for 5x?
[2007-07-08 19:41:00] <alex> k, I'll ask them then.
[2007-07-08 19:41:00] <shyam> alex: yup absolutely
[2007-07-08 19:41:03] <ilan> leiz: yes, they're on the site
[2007-07-08 19:41:13] <timf> orv: any thought on using youtube or
myspace to help get the word out to non-typical SCaLE people?
[2007-07-08 19:41:16] <ilan> as well as on linuxworld.com
[2007-07-08 19:41:27] <Gareth> leiz: audio..not video.
[2007-07-08 19:41:35] <Orv> timf: hadn't thought about it; but we could
certainly do up some promos.
[2007-07-08 19:41:37] <scubacuda> myspace might be interested. i know
that they're hiring gentoo ppl
[2007-07-08 19:41:49] <Gareth> Orv on MySpace...will wonders never cease.
[2007-07-08 19:42:01] <ilan> timf: id like to see us create a "ill be at
SCALE" badge people can put on their social network profiles and blogs
[2007-07-08 19:42:02] <Orv> Yeah, like that'll happen...
[2007-07-08 19:42:19] <ilan> timf / orv: similar to this
http://www.gnomedex.com/images/gnomedex/gnomedexer.jpg
[2007-07-08 19:42:24] <livinded> myspace is probably a lost cause for
technical people, I'd say livejournal would be a better choice
[2007-07-08 19:42:51] <shyam> unless we can shoot a teaser for why u
should be at SCALE in february 2008:P
[2007-07-08 19:43:01] <scubacuda> livinded: i mean myspace as a sponsor
/ company talk to about sponsorship
[2007-07-08 19:43:05] <ilan> livinded: you'd be suprirsed how many
southern californian Linux users are on MySpace. we pulled in a few
attendees through there last year
[2007-07-08 19:43:17] <timf> livinded: I don't disagree, but are we
reaching out only to tech?
[2007-07-08 19:43:37] <ilan> shyam: did you see the one they did for Lug
Radio Live 2007?
[2007-07-08 19:43:55] <shyam> yes
[2007-07-08 19:43:59] <shyam> i really liked it
[2007-07-08 19:43:59] <livinded> timf: I just don't think that the
myspace crowd is necessarily the type of people who would be interested
in going
[2007-07-08 19:44:15] <Gareth> livinded: you would be surprised..
[2007-07-08 19:44:20] <Orv> ilan: that's kinda interesting.
[2007-07-08 19:44:36] <ilan> http://www.lugradio.org/freedommarch/
[2007-07-08 19:44:37] <Orv> "I'll be standing on the SCALE in February".
Er - no....
[2007-07-08 19:44:38] <randy> why not do both?
[2007-07-08 19:44:48] <scubacuda> Mabye if all of the SCaLE attendees
came to the meeting drinking forties, then we could add those pics to
MySpace
[2007-07-08 19:44:56] <livinded> that's just my observation from the
scraping and datamining I've done on myspace
[2007-07-08 19:45:49] <scubacuda> Has anyone ever talked to anyone at JPL ?
[2007-07-08 19:45:59] <Gareth> livinded: SCALE is always looking to
attract people who may be curious about Linux and Open Source but have
never used it....we want to appeal to a wider audience with SCALE...
[2007-07-08 19:46:06] <ilan> livinded: i did an informal survey of the
mysapce users in LA with Linux on their profile. most i pinged didn't
know about SCALE, but said they were interested in coming.
[2007-07-08 19:46:08] <scubacuda> and what exactly they're doing with linux?
[2007-07-08 19:46:22] <ilan> im pretty sure if we make a formal PR
effort we can draw in a good crowd fro mtehre.
[2007-07-08 19:46:58] <ilan> scubacuda: we tried to get them to speak
about the rovers last year, but the dates didn't work out for them to
get a proposal in
[2007-07-08 19:47:10] <timf> while we're at it, facebook might catch
some interest
[2007-07-08 19:47:23] <ilan> or linked in
[2007-07-08 19:47:25] <scubacuda> ilan: interesting.
[2007-07-08 19:47:35] <leiz> do any of those sites use open source?
[2007-07-08 19:47:44] <dlavigne> linked in would be a great place to
have a badge icon
[2007-07-08 19:47:52] <scubacuda> ilan: on a side note, i notice that
just about all f/oss ppl i work with are using LinkedIn
[2007-07-08 19:48:01] <dlavigne> especially if you have some
business/interoperability talks
[2007-07-08 19:48:06] <ilan> dlavigne: they have a program for setting
those up.
[2007-07-08 19:48:33] <scubacuda> linkedin's involvement might also
legitmize f/oss to the biz community at large
[2007-07-08 19:48:36] <ilan> Orv: lets contact them this year and see
about getting that setup.
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[2007-07-08 19:48:52] <ilan> Orv: ive got the paperwork we need to send
in. ping me later
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[2007-07-08 19:48:58] <Orv> ilan: LinkedIn?
[2007-07-08 19:49:18] <ilan> Orv: yes, they have a formal program for
getting badges on peoples profiles.
[2007-07-08 19:49:20] <tking> orv: business networking site.
[2007-07-08 19:49:43] <Orv> tking: I know what it is; I'm a member ;-)
[2007-07-08 19:49:43] <Orv> Wasn't sure what Ilan was talking about, though.
[2007-07-08 19:49:54] <Orv> ilan: I'll ping you later, yeah.
[2007-07-08 19:49:58] <ilan> cool
[2007-07-08 19:50:13] <dlavigne> k, getting late here. thanks for the
opportunity to participate
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[2007-07-08 19:50:25] <ilan> dlavigne: thanks for joining us
[2007-07-08 19:50:36] <smichelle> mundane ? ... when will SCALE website
reflect 6x?
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[2007-07-08 19:50:46] <ilan> smichelle: MatthewG is working on that this
week
[2007-07-08 19:50:58] <Gareth> smichelle: should be by mid-week.
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[2007-07-08 19:53:30] <Gareth> Since things are winding down, we'll go
ahead and close the meeting at 8pm. Feel free to continue chatting and
we'll continue logging. This channel will remain active leading up
SCALE 6x. Thanks to everyone for attending!
[2007-07-08 19:53:33] <alex> shyam: Are there any specific goog teams
that you'd love to receive a CFP response from?
[2007-07-08 19:54:08] <scubacuda> gareth: thx, dude. good job, and i
look forward to attending this next year
[2007-07-08 19:54:11] <shyam> alex: not really, but virtualization does
seem the hot one still
[2007-07-08 19:54:20] <scubacuda> shyam: totally on virtualization.
[2007-07-08 19:54:26] <shyam> alex: also if there are any teams on linux
multimedia
[2007-07-08 19:54:44] <shyam> alex: that would be great!
[2007-07-08 19:54:46] <scubacuda> shyam: any openings or need for F/OSS
monitoring tools?
[2007-07-08 19:54:48] <ilan> alex: jeremy allison and robert love would
be good speakers
[2007-07-08 19:54:52] <johnjay> virtualization...i bet we could round up
some interest from 3tera.com, i have a direct contact for their CEO from
a prior conference
[2007-07-08 19:54:55] <leiz> maybe we can get robert love to come to
scale again
[2007-07-08 19:55:05] <scubacuda> shyam: or monitoring strategies for
enterprise, SLA environments?
[2007-07-08 19:55:16] <johnjay> they also put down a lot of $ for the
conference they sponsored
[2007-07-08 19:55:30] <shyam> johnjay: hey i'll look fwd to a proposal
from 3tera
[2007-07-08 19:55:36] <alex> shyam: thanks. I happen to know two of the
teams in those areas. Will follow up with them once the official CFP is
out.
[2007-07-08 19:55:57] <ilan> johnjay: can you ping me with that? we had
a proposal from them last year, but it came way after the deadline.
[2007-07-08 19:55:57] <johnjay> shyam: is there a specific format i
should turn them onto?
[2007-07-08 19:56:11] <johnjay> ilan: already sent you an email earlier
[2007-07-08 19:56:20] <shyam> alex: thanks once again...greatly
appreciate it...we should have the CFP out in the next couple of weeks
if not sooner
[2007-07-08 19:56:26] <ilan> johnjay: ok thanks
[2007-07-08 19:56:37] <johnjay> i'll talk to PeterNIC first and then
their CEO ASAP
[2007-07-08 19:56:37] <tking> the location scrolled off my log...
[2007-07-08 19:56:38] <shyam> leiz: i tried getting robert love last
year as well as the previous year but withotu much success
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[2007-07-08 19:56:38] <ilan> tking: Westin
[2007-07-08 19:56:44] <tking> okay same place..thanks
[2007-07-08 19:56:52] <tking> that was a good location.
[2007-07-08 19:56:53] <johnjay> please let me know a follow up e-mail
where i can ping the SCALE organizers (or relevant parties) about 3tera
[2007-07-08 19:56:55] <shyam> leiz: it'll b nice to have him..he is an
excellent speaker
[2007-07-08 19:56:57] <Gareth> tking: same venue as last year.
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[2007-07-08 19:57:08] <tking> excellent...
[2007-07-08 19:57:09] <ilan> tking: ya, it worked out well
[2007-07-08 19:57:31] <ilan> johnjay: for sponsorship it'd be me
([email protected]) for speaking it'd be shyam
[2007-07-08 19:57:41] <johnjay> noted
[2007-07-08 19:57:49] <smichelle> shyam email is?
[2007-07-08 19:57:56] <shyam> johnjay: [email protected]
[2007-07-08 19:58:08] <ilan> johnjay: i have info for their pr firm, but
its always better to have an in house contact
[2007-07-08 19:58:21] <johnjay> i have 2 in house contacts over there
[2007-07-08 19:58:34] <johnjay> (me is actually alpha testing their
64-bit env)
[2007-07-08 20:00:18] * tking makes plans to head out from SCALE on his
next overseas adventure.
[2007-07-08 20:00:19] <smichelle> Is a blog for SCALE annoucement
possible for ease of rss?
[2007-07-08 20:00:38] <ilan> smichelle: thats the next priority after
getting the SCALE dates on the site.
[2007-07-08 20:00:46] <Gareth> smichelle: our tech committee is looking
into that.
[2007-07-08 20:00:58] <ilan> smichelle: MatthewG is looking at
potentional blogging applications with StuartS
[2007-07-08 20:01:23] <smichelle> awesome. Off to feed cats, dog, a few
fish, and then me in that order. Thx for irc.
[2007-07-08 20:01:24] <ilan> smichelle: we're also working on adding
podcasts leading up to the show with interviews of speakers, exhibitors, etc
[2007-07-08 20:01:31] <ilan> smichelle: thanks for joining us
[2007-07-08 20:01:33] <Gareth> smichelle: thnks for stopping by.
[2007-07-08 20:01:33] <johnjay> are we still looking for speakers? i
have direct content with andy s. (http://t1ra.multiply.com/) ... he
gives mostly hosting related keynotes but i know he can [most likely]
give a great talk about OSS
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[2007-07-08 20:02:09] <johnjay> and he in turn can get somebody from digg
[2007-07-08 20:02:11] <Gareth> johnjay: send the CFP to anyone who you
think may be interested and may make an interesting talk.
[2007-07-08 20:02:13] <johnjay> if needed
[2007-07-08 20:02:25] <johnjay> i need a link to the CFP?
[2007-07-08 20:02:36] <Gareth> it hasnt been released yet.
[2007-07-08 20:03:27] <timf> have to go, thanks for setting this up!
[2007-07-08 20:03:35] <Gareth> timf: thanks for attending.
[2007-07-08 20:03:46] <shyam> johnjay: if you can give me ur email, I'll
send out a draft to u once it has been approved by the SCALE committee
[2007-07-08 20:03:46] <ilan> timf: thanks for coming.. ill be in touch
on that education day
[2007-07-08 20:04:04] <johnjay> [email protected]
[2007-07-08 20:04:30] <shyam> johnjay: like gareth mentioned anyone who
can give an interesting talk, we will be more than willin to review
their proposal....:)
[2007-07-08 20:04:47] <johnjay> ok so i will get in touch with 1) 3tera
2) Andy S and 3) try to get somebody from Digg through Andy
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[2007-07-08 20:05:11] <johnjay> (andy invests $ in digg)
[2007-07-08 20:05:14] <shyam> johnjay: thanks!
[2007-07-08 20:05:35] <Gareth> Same goes for exhibitors...anyone who you
might think might be a good addition to the show, by all means...please
let us know.
[2007-07-08 20:05:38] <scubacuda> speaking of Digg, Ron gave a good talk
last year
[2007-07-08 20:06:11] <saned> Gareth, how about EDA vendors, like Xilinx?
[2007-07-08 20:06:31] <Gareth> saned: if you have contacts, pass them
along to ilan
[2007-07-08 20:06:39] <saned> Will do, thx
[2007-07-08 20:07:52] <shyam> ok gotta run as well...this was
good..cheers everyone
[2007-07-08 20:08:03] <Gareth> see ya Shyam.
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[2007-07-08 20:08:35] <ilan> night shyam
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