As a very long time lurker to the plan9 mailing list, something occasionally catches my eye strewn amongst the arcana. The very first computer I ever actually touched was in 1979, it had these state of the ark mag stripe cardboard cards which held the enormous amount of 2kb. It wasn't mine, my engineer father brought it home from work and it took up a large proportion of the dining room table. I was very strictly punished for laying a finger on the thing, as it was astronomically expensive and my father was responsible for it. This was just the start of my masochistic relationship with these fiddly cantankerous things you see. Over the years I have seen a $5,500 486dx 2 66mHz be reduced to a $25 pile of junk less than a decade later, a $200 60gb hard drive forlornly sitting by the side of the road in hard rubbish a decade later, and many other similar saddening examples. There of course is a need for using old hardware these days as it seems so wasteful to just junk something with a 1gHz CPU in it when you fondly remember your days with a MOS 6510! If I were completely naive to actually running plan9 but with many clues about other operating systems and hardware, would it be better for me to install 9legacy on some mildly obsolescent but still quite serviceable and reliable hardware, or start with 9front on something more modern? Is the learning curve the same for both varieties? Would it help getting to know 9front if I spent a bit of time with her older sister 9legacy? Can 9legacy be considered the gateway drug to 9front? I await the scorching flames for my great impudence of interjecting into a vociferous discussion with such a pragmatic tangent!
On Monday, May 13, 2024, <o...@eigenstate.org> wrote: > I don't think this approach has ever worked in > the open source world -- it always starts with > someone building something useful. The vision > and goal is defined by the work being done. > > After something useful is built, people start > to join in and contribute. > > After enough people join in, it makes sense to > have more organization. > > Quoth vester.thac...@fastmail.fm: > > The complexity of communication in this medium often necessitates > detailed discussions. You highlighted the need for additional personnel to > manage the workload (e.g. do the work). From my perspective, this requires > a well-defined vision, clear objectives, and a prioritized list of > deliverables to align efforts effectively. Currently, it seems the role of > product managers is collectively held, though it's unclear who exactly is > responsible. Typically, a team of two or more individuals would focus on > these deliverables. In past projects, I've seen the use of a project board > to keep everyone updated on tasks—an approach known as "information > radiator" in project management. I'm open to other methods if you had > something different in mind that I may have overlooked. If you are > considering a meritocracy, I would recommend caution. Experience has shown > that what we truly need is increased collaboration and unity, rather than a > system that could potentially encourage competition and division. I > apologize if my message is obtuse, I am trying to keep this message > concise, I can expound more for clarity. I hope my explanation helps. > > > > Vic > > > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2024, at 03:36, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > > that's not what I said. > > > > > > Quoth vic.thac...@fastmail.fm: > > >> I agree that having a clear vision and charter is essential before > forming a team. Regarding building an inclusive Plan 9 community that > encompasses multiple groups, it's important to establish common goals and > values that resonate with all members. What are your thoughts on creating > open channels for dialogue and collaboration? How can we ensure that > everyone feels valued and heard? This approach could foster a more > cooperative and inclusive environment. > > >> > > >> Vic > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 16:19, pl...@room3420.net wrote: > > >> > "tl;dr: you need people doing the work before you can try > > >> > to organize them; the way to get people doing the work is > > >> > to bootstrap it by doing work and showing value." [from Ori]. > > >> > or > > >> > "Don't be the kid who can't play [whatever]ball but wants to teach > > >> > everybody and be the team coach, just because he read a book." ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tcf128fa955b8aafc-Me459c34f6ecb73275ab783df Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
