Music is a very broad church.  There are many ways of looking at it of which 
the modal system is only one.  Just as valid as the rest, but not the only 
path to truth.  I have never come across anybody who was "openly contemptuous 
of intellectuals [?!] who think such things [keys and modes] are important" 
but I have, through this list, come across people who are openly contemptuous 
of those they describe as "musically literate".  I have spoken to a wide 
variety of people about this, from those who play by ear and can't read a 
note (and are brilliant), classically trained players and people with a deep 
academic interest in folk music. I have received answers from "Do what?" to 
"The mode's in the tune.  You don't need a label on the front."

I think John Chambers was being a bit harsh on the person who put K:G.  In 
conventional notation minor keys are represented by a key signature of the 
relative major with accidentals where necessary.  If they were using software 
that didn't allow a choice of minor keys (such as Muse), this is the only way 
they could do it to print out the dots as they wanted.  I've just had a look 
at one of the K:Em versions and it does the same.

I have never said that K:EDor is a bad idea.  (No I haven't!  If anyone wants 
to argue with that, back it up with evidence.)  What I do think is that 
having it as the ONLY way of specifying a key is a bad idea.  I have yet to 
see a coherent reason why a sharps and flats only K: command was regarded as 
such an outrage (even after John Chambers had proposed one).  It might not 
include all the information you would like, but at least (barring errors) it 
wouldn't include any misinformation.

>Even a brief glance at a lot of the ABC on the net makes it abundantly clear
>that many people don't give a damn about making it readable.

This is where I came in.  The main thrust of my original posting was that the 
abc database was a bit of a mess that needed cleaning up and that this should 
take priority over some of the more esoteric "nice to have" developments that 
seemed to be being discussed.  A lot of developers seem to have made their 
programmes rather fault tolerant thus encouraging sloppy notation.  The modes 
issue was a bit of an aside.

As a first effort towards tidier abc, my syntax/standards checking programme, 
ABCcheck, is now available for download from 
http://members.aol.com/abacusmusic/.  This is still a provisional version, so 
all feedback is welcome.  Priority will be given to comments that are polite, 
short and constructive.

As an afterthought, what K: command would you put on this polka, which is a 
favourite in sessions round our way?

X:1
T:Scan Testers No 2
C:Scan Tester
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:G
|:Bc|d2dd d2d2|d2^c2=c2B2|A3B A2G2|
F6DE|F2EF G2FG|A2d4cB|A2G2F2E2|
D6:|
|:Bc|d2G2B2AB|c2E2A3B|c2e2d2c2|
B4B3c|d2G2B2AB|c2E2A3B|c2ec B2A2|
G6:|

Bryan Creer

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