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> So, we've got frequency and duration covered. Now all
> that's missing is a way to express amplitude and timbre,
> but since the ABC standard never really supported dynamics
> or instrument definitions, I don't see that we need to go
> that far.
> 
> There you go.  A stand-alone, precise notation system.  Happy now? 

First of all, you don't have to taunt me. I think I'd get your point
anyway. Second, I don't agree, and it seems to me as you completely
misunderstood my opinion.

No language can ever claim to be complete. My point was *not* that abc
should be something "more real" or "more complete" than staff notation.
My point was that we should have a language that is precise in it's
*syntax*, that is, the way in which music is notated and the way in
which the language should be interpreted. In other words: what is
allowed and what is not.

> Ignoring for the present how much existing ABC might
> be broken by this, suppose it is decided that you have
> to write ^f-|^f.  The notation software will omit the
> second sharp by default, in order to display the staff
> notation correctly.  Now suppose you *want* the second
> sharp to be displayed, as a cautionary accidental.
> How could this be achieved?

Again: my very point was that abc is NOT a pseudo-staff-notation (you
may disagree with that, as some do of course, and that is OK for me -
but just write that in that case!). If you have a piece of abc that is
clear and unambigous, translate it into staff notation, and doubts
appear about how it should be interpreted; the error is not in abc
itself, it lies in the translation program, or worse, in staff notation
itself (not in this case though)!

In other words: don't blame the abc source for not looking in a
specific way when converted into staff notation. Blame the program! And
if you *do* expect the staff to look in a certain way: don't use abc -
use a music typesetting program or whatever.

Erik

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