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> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Forgeot=20Eric?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: have fun with ties, slurs and triplets
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> How will the standard evolve as far as ties and slurs are
> concerned ?
> It says :
>
> $ It should be noted that although the tie "-" and slur "()"
> produce
> $ similar symbols in staff notation they have completely different
> $ meanings to player programs and should not be interchanged.
> Ties
> $ connect two successive notes of the same pitch, causing them to
> $ be played as a single note, while slurs connect the first and
> $ last note of any series of notes, and may be used to indicate
> $ phrasing, or that the group should be played legato.
>
> I understand that ties and slurs aren't the same, but slurs and
> triplets can interact badly, like in this example (I transcribed
> the notes as they were written ) :
>
> X:1
> T:Springleik etter Thorvald Trondsg�rd
> R:Springleik
> O:Norge - Norway - Norv�ge
> A:Hedmark
> Z:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> M:3/4
> L:1/8
> Q:1/4=130
> K:F
> A>B GA F>(A| (3c)Ac (3B(GB) A>(G| A)>(B G)A F>A |(3GAB A4 :|
> |: A>B GA F>F | (3EFE D2 (D^C) | D>(E (3F)(DF) E>^C | D2 A4 |
> A>B GA F>F | (3EFE D2 (D^C) | D>(E (3F)(DF) E>^C | (3EGF D4 :|
>
> If we note slurs the same way ties are noted, it gives :
>
> X:2
> T:Springleik etter Thorvald Trondsg�rd (illegal)
> R:Springleik
> O:Norge - Norway - Norv�ge
> A:Hedmark
> Z:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> M:3/4
> L:1/8
> Q:1/4=130
> K:F
> A>B GA F>A-| (3cAc (3BG-B A>G-| A>B- GA F>A |(3GAB A4 :|
> |: A>B GA F>F | (3EFE D2 D-^C | D>E-(3FD-F E>^C | D2 A4 |
> A>B GA F>F | (3EFE D2 D-^C | D>E-(3FD-F E>^C | (3EGF D4 :|
>
> I think it's more readable, and it could be permitted in the
> standard for some extreme cases.
>
> I've tried it with some abc tools. 1 is in the "legal" standard
> and 2 is not :
>
> abc2midi : 1 & 2 work well, no difference at all.
> yaps : as espected 1 works well, 2 refused but gives bad ties : it
> ties the 2 "A" (which are separated by "c") in "A-| (3cAc"
> abcm2ps : 1 works well, 2 is ignored, it gives no slur at all.
> skink : work well with 2 (display "illegal" tied slurs), 1 refused
> abc2win : display well 1 & 2, play well 2, but for 1 it slows down
> the tricky parts {like (3c)Ac (3B(GB) }, maybe because of the
> calculation ?
> abcmus : the opposite of abc2win, it plays 1 faster on the tricky
> parts. 2 is well played.
>
> So even if a notation is "legal" and in the standard, it can give
> unexpected results in some parsers.
>
> I've seen that John Chamber made an intense use of - for slurs :
>
> X: 3
> P: the Banks of Spey
> C: William Marshall
> N: Caledonian Companion p.88.
> N: Wm. Marshall p.48; Hardie p.88; SFT p.3; BSFC II-21
> N: played by Ed Pearlman on BH 4A; Dancing Strings tape
> Siegal/Payne
> Z: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> M: C|
> L: 1/8
> K: ADor
> E || "Am"{E}[A2A] A>B A>B c>e | "G"d<c B->A ~G3 E \
> | "Am"[A2A] A>B A>B c>d | "C"e<c d->e "G"~g4 |
> | "Am"a>g e-<c d<e g-<a | "Em"e-<g g>B "G"~G3 B \
> | "Am"A-<E A>B "(F)"c>d e-<g | "Dm"e-<d "E7"c>B "Am"A3 ||
> c || "Am"A-<E A>c A-<E A>c | "G"B>c d>{c}B {A}~G3 B \
> | "Am"A-<E A>c A-<E c>d | "C"e>c d-<e "G"~g4 |
> | "Am"a>g e-<c d<e g-<a | "Em"e-<g g>B "G"~G3 B \
> | "Am"A-<E A>B "(F)"c>d e-<g | "Dm"e-<d "E7"c>B "Am"A3 |]
>
> Should the standard tolerate this way of noting ? Like the symbol
>
>>, it helps to make transcriptions clearer (and it's quicker to
>
> write)
>
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