Ti Leggett wrote:
>The Access Grid is based off of the Globus toolkit currently. The Globus >toolkit is one toolkit developed to enable the creation and use of >grids. Primarily what the AG uses of the Globus toolkit are the secure >connections (hence the need for certificates) and data transfer/storage >(i.e., GridFTP). By itself, the AGTk does not allow the job submission, >etc; however, since it's based on the Globus toolkit adding those >services or shared applications is fairly trivial. Derek has the right >description in regards to the AG enabling people to interact the way >that Globus and grid toolkits enable computers/clusters to interact. > >That being said, I believe there has been work as part of the Scientific >Workspaces of the Future (SWOF) project to create an AG shared >application or service that allows an AG user to start globus jobs on a >remote cluster using data stored in the AG data store and collect data >back to the AG data store. > > Good morning, guys! This is interesting. any updates on this work? do you know any key people working on this endeavor? :) >On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 09:15 -0500, Derek Piper wrote: > > >> For my own understanding of it, I didn't think that grid-computing >>(TeraGrid) and AccessGrid were the same sorts of things. To my mind, >>'AccessGrid' is a colaborative tool, any number of people can interact >>with each other. Grid computing on the other hand is .. well, any number >>of *computers* 'interacting' with each other, i.e. job/message passing. >>People might use the AccessGrid to talk about projects like TeraGrid, >>but I don't believe they are as closely related as you mention. >> By nodes 'working', the subject I thought was that of running >>AccessGrid audio,video and display services on machines of either >>platform (Windows/Linux). In that manner, either platform works for each >>service. There may be performance differences, but they will both do a job. >> Of course I am happy to be enlightened about any of this by anyone more >>knowledgable :) >> >> Derek >> >>Natalia Costas Lago wrote: >> >> >>>Mmmm.... i dont understand then the "grid" part of AccessGrid, I though >>>you could "send a job" to a resource on the grid... I know almost >>>nothing about grid computing. How can u do that without comands like >>>"globus-job-run"?? >>>Could you send me some directions about how could I do it from Linux or >>>windows?. Is there any documentation related to "how to access the grid >>>using AccessGrid?", we have a deparment working on projects related to >>>grid, I would like to know the things I should ask to them in order to >>>do a demo about AccessGrid "grid" capabilities. >>> >>>The point is that i wanna shouw our collegues a demo about accessing the >>>grid and working together using the Accessgrid. >>> >>>Kind regards, >>>Natalia. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Piper" <dcpi...@indiana.edu> >>>To: "Natalia Costas Lago" <nata...@cesga.es> >>>Cc: "ag-tech" <ag-t...@mcs.anl.gov> >>>Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:41 PM >>>Subject: Re: Fw: [AG-TECH] multinode? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Both platforms have globus, Windows and Linux. How else would a >>>>personal node work? :) >>>>Chris is right, all combinations work. Python and C are cross-platform >>>>languages. In theory even Mac OS-X would work too, using the unix AG >>>>source. >>>> >>>>Derek >>>> >>>>Natalia Costas Lago wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Do people involved in Grid projects agree with that?. Does Win globus >>>>>support have the same functionality as Linux one? I think I recalled >>>>>that >>>>>some months ago I realised that there werent the same globus files in >>>>>windows than in Linux, and I asked our system guys and they said that >>>>>there >>>>>was no globus for windows... >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>>Natalia. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Osland, CD (Chris)" >>>>>><c.d.osl...@rl.ac.uk> >>>>>>To: "AG-TECH list" <ag-t...@mcs.anl.gov> >>>>>>Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:49 AM >>>>>>Subject: RE: [AG-TECH] multinode? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I totally agree; all-Windows, all-Linux, mixed: all work. I don't >>>>>>>know the status of AG on Macs these days because we don't use them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>>____________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>Chris Osland Office >>>>>>>tel: +44 >>>>>>>(0) 1235 446565 >>>>>>>Digital Media and Access Grid Medialab >>>>>>>tel: +44 (0) >>>>>>>1235 446459 >>>>>>>BIT Department Access Grid room >>>>>>>tel: +44 >>>>>>>(0) 1235 445666 >>>>>>>e-mail: c.d.osl...@rl.ac.uk Fax: +44 >>>>>>>(0) 1235 445597 >>>>>>>CCLRC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory (Bldg. R18) >>>>>>>Chilton, DIDCOT, Oxon OX11 0QX, UK >>>>>>>[The contents of this email are confidential and are for the use of >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>intended recipient only. >>>>>>>If you are not the intended recipient do not take any action on it >>>>>>>or show >>>>>>>it to anyone else, >>>>>>>but return this email to the sender and delete your copy of it.] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>From: owner-ag-t...@mcs.anl.gov [mailto:owner-ag-t...@mcs.anl.gov]On >>>>>>>>Behalf Of Christoph Willing >>>>>>>>Sent: 19 November 2004 03:43 >>>>>>>>To: Natalia Costas Lago >>>>>>>>Cc: AG-TECH list >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [AG-TECH] multinode? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On 19/11/2004, at 3:48 AM, Natalia Costas Lago wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>mmm... r u sure? I thought the reason of the linux nodes was the >>>>>>>>>possibility of accessing the grid by means of globus. >>>>>>>>>Am I wrong?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The globus stuff exists in the Windows version of the AG2 toolkit >>>>>>>>too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>While the answers below to the original question are strictly >>>>>>>>correct, >>>>>>>>one can also ask/respond: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Can a multisystem node use linux as all three computers? >>>>>>>>yes >>>>>>>>What is the purpose of windows .... do I need it? >>>>>>>>no >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can a multisystem node use winXP as all three computers? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>yes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>What is the purpose of the linux .... do I need it? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>no >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Christoph Willing Ph: +61 7 3365 8350 >>>>>>>>QPSF Access Grid Manager >>>>>>>>University of Queensland >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>Derek Piper - dcpi...@indiana.edu - (812) 856 0111 >>>>IRI 323, School of Informatics >>>>Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>
