Hi :) I think that is a brilliant idea! The great thing about hindsight is that things seem so obvious afterwards.
Can you post a bug-report and make it into a feature request? One of the drop-down menus is supposed to have "feature request" as one of the choices but it might be easier to just add [feature request] into the subject-line. Someone on the User List said they couldn't find the option in any of the drop-downs and wanted me to post a screen-shot showing it but i'm no good at posting bug-reports and find their whole interface really difficult to work out. So, i just advised putting the extra bit in the subject-line and let the devs sort the drop-downs. I feel a bit bad and guilty because i know they are busy! Regards from Tom :) >________________________________ > From: Kevin Cussick <the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com> >To: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> >Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 19:00 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE > >Yes Stewart thanks for your hard work I did all you asked I still have >no access. It would maybe a nice idea if someone could write a batch >file that could sort out the java environment, and or maybe even if lo >cam with jre7 it would make it a rather large download but if it cam >with it maybe it could just install it all and just bloody work. what do >folks think? is this to daft this idea I am not a programer so I am just >putting the question out there again thanks for your work on this but it >didn't work for me. > >On 11/10/2012 18:09, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> Blimey!! Thanks for putting a lot of work into this! It's amazing to feel >> that things are moving forwards after such a long time of what felt like >> inactivity. I'm sure some devs have been working on things behind the >> scenes but we seldom hear about that side of things on this list. >> >> Many regards and thanks from >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: V Stuart Foote <vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu> >>> To: David Goldfield <dgold...@asb.org>; >>> accessibility@global.libreoffice.org; libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org >>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012, 16:25 >>> Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with >>> myJRE >>> >>> David, >>> >>> I spent yesterday working through some of the permutations. >>> >>> I resolved a couple of my own questions. First, that Python based NVDA >>> functions independent of the Java Runtime Environment - Java Access Bridge. >>> >>> NVDA does require the JRE and Java Access Bridge to properly control >>> programs that are implemented with the Java Access Bridge API, >>> unfortunately that includes LibreOffice. >>> >>> But NVDA will remain functional with the JRE & JAB removed. NVDA only needs >>> to be momentarily shut down when uninstalling the JAB & JRE and can be >>> restarted as the uninstall completes. >>> >>> =-=-= >>> >>> Another issue, per-user LibreOffice profile from past installation attempts >>> or prior versions must be removed. >>> >>> Uninstallation of LibreOffice leaves the per-user configuration files >>> intact. >>> >>> This is intentional from the LibreOffice developers perspective--but it >>> adversely affects installation or re-installation of LibreOffice with >>> accessibility tools and needs to be rebuilt cleanly. >>> >>> The per-user configuration is located at: >>> >>> C:\Users\<yourusername>\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice >>> >>> Simply delete the LibreOffice folder and subfolders. And proceed with >>> removal and reinstallation of the JRE, enabling the JAB, and lastly >>> installing LibreOffice with AT enabled. >>> >>> =-=-= >>> >>> Finally, I am curious as to how incomplete the Flat Review LibreOffice JAB >>> based Assistive Technology tools are compared to the Windows IAccessible2 >>> based tools, or Linux AT-SPI based, or even the Apple Accessibility API >>> based renderings. >>> >>> Since IBM continues to develop and distribute the Lotus Symphony suite, >>> current release is 3.0.1 and is free to download and use. >>> >>> http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home/ >>> <http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home/> >>> >>> I grabbed a set of Windows installers (32-bit), and the FixPack1 for 3.0.1 >>> from >>> >>> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/symphony/ >>> <http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/symphony/> >>> >>> In a side by side comparison using NVDA and the same .odt document -- the >>> IAccessible2 based Symphony clearly accessed more of the MSAA-IAccessible >>> roles than did the Java Access Bridge based LibreOffice. Cursor >>> navigation, and object based mode functioned--as did reporting of font >>> changes, style and header levels and voicing of program annotations like >>> spelling errors. Clearly under NVDA Symphony Document is more useable as an >>> editor. Similar results in the Spreadsheet compared to Calc. >>> >>> =-=-= >>> >>> I'm going to press on and do the same comparison between a Linux Orca >>> session of LibreOffice's AT-SPI based interface, and Symphony (in both >>> Windows and Linux versions)--but suspect it will simply confirm there are >>> serious shortcomings to the Java Access Bridge -- UNO a11y role mappings >>> in LibreOffice on the Windows side. >>> >>> I can't say if this has been the state since inception, or is a recent >>> change but will have a little better feel of what roles are working in >>> Linux with ATK side versus in Windows with JAB and may then be able to >>> rationally present the case of regression or needed enhancement to the >>> developers. There is an open metabug on the Linux AT-SPI ATK AT-SPI2 side >>> for Orca , maybe we need something similar on the Windows JAB side.( >>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=36549 ) >>> >>> =-=-= >>> >>> In the interim, until the Java Access Bridge based Windows functions are >>> corrected--or until LibreOffice moves fully to and UNO a11y role - >>> IAccessible2 role mapping under the IBM Symphony contribution--you may >>> want to look at using the free IBM Symphony 3.0.1--of course that leaves >>> you without Draw, Base or an Equation editor. >>> >>> Stuart >>> >>> p.s. CC'd to the Dev list--looking to contact whomever has the best grasp >>> of the JRE Java Access Bridge based Assistive Technologies used on the >>> Windows side mappings of the UNO a11y roles. Difficult to tell what is >>> not working as intended, versus what has never been implemented, versus >>> issues with the JRE and Java Access Bridge. What I know for sure is that >>> other than the missing enhancements of IAccessible2, LibreOffice for >>> Windows is not meeting its AT functional goals. >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: David Goldfield [mailto:dgold...@asb.org] >>> Sent: Tue 10/9/2012 7:44 AM >>> To: V Stuart Foote >>> Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with >>> myJRE >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello. >>> I uninstalled the components in the order in which you suggested. Using >>> another installed screen reader I reinstalled all software in the order >>> suggested and ensured that the a.t. support checkbox was checked when >>> installing Libreoffice 3.6. I also enabled JAB via the control panel under >>> accessibility settings but I still find that I have no access with LO 3.6 >>> and NVDA 2012.2.1. >>> David >>> >>> >>> David Goldfield >>> Computer Technology Instructor >>> 919 Walnut Street >>> 4th Floor >>> Philadelphia, PA 19107 >>> >>> 215-627-0600 ext 3277 >>> FAX: 215-922-0692 >>> >>> mailto:dgold...@asb.org >>> http://www.asb.org <http://www.asb.org/> >>> >>> >>> Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired >>> population since 1874. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] >>> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 9:05 PM >>> To: Kevin Cussick; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org >>> Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with >>> my JRE >>> >>> Kevin, >>> >>> Golly. I hate to keep harping on this. And I know it must seem like we are >>> asking you to jump through hoops. >>> >>> But as Tom notes the effort is to clear it everything off and start clean >>> from a known state. In your latest attempt you've ended up non-functional. >>> >>> To have a correct outcome, the install order IS important. LibreOffice gets >>> install LAST. >>> >>> Remove in this order: >>> >>> 1. LibreOffice >>> 2. NVDA >>> 3. Java Access Bridge >>> 4. Java Runtime Environment >>> >>> Install in this order >>> >>> 1. Java Runtime Environment >>> 2. Java Access Bridge >>> 3. NVDA >>> 4. LibreOffice >>> >>> But note this: with JRE 1.7u7, the Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 is installed >>> automatically and just needs to be enabled with a "jabswitch.exe /enable" >>> command. Only for JRE 1.6 do you still need to use the JWin utility to >>> install and configure Java Access Bridge v2.0.2. >>> >>> In other words you should no longer use the JWin program with JRE 1.7 >>> greater than update 6. Rather, simply enable the built in Java Access >>> Bridge and then install NVDA and finally LibreOffice. >>> >>> Also, during LibreOffice 3.6 installation, on the last page of Installation >>> Wizard configuration "Ready to Install the Program" there will be two check >>> boxes 1) "Create a start link on desktop", and 2) "Support assistive >>> technology tools" Check that box and then select the Install button. >>> >>> The assistive technology checkbox is off by default--and must be checked to >>> enable assistive technology in LibreOffice without navigating the Tools -> >>> Options -> Accessibility and Tools -> Options Java menus. >>> >>> Without the Accessibility "Support assistive technology tools" checked, >>> NVDA will read the outside frame elements of LibreOffice-but will not be >>> able to read or navigate text within the components. >>> >>> Stuart >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
