Tom and others,
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From: Tom Davies []
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 4:04 AM
To: David Goldfield
Subject: Re: Re : [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: LO and Mac

Hi :)
Thanks :))
I didn't know about Alt being a way to get into or out of menus/ribbon-bar.  On 
Ubuntu it brings up the "HUD" which allows people to type in what they want to 
do, instead of having to search through menus.  I had forgotten the Alt F4 for 
closing a window/console.  I have often used Ctrl w to close a document/tab but 
keep the main window open = usually most useful in a web-browser but still 
useful in other apps sometimes.
I think even just knowing a few greatly helps people, even fully sighted users 
gain a lot by using them.

Errr, i just found this ZdNet article
I think getting a celebrity actively promoting assistive technologies might be 
a help.  Stephen Hawkings seems to have quite a reputation for being a curious 
mix of friendly but demanding and seems good at breaking down barriers.  There 
are a couple of things that worry me.  IBM's involvement suggests it's going to 
be entirely proprietary and even though there is a suggestion of it being free 
now it makes me wonder how long it would stay that way.  On the other hand IBM 
have done some good for OpenSource too so i'm not sure.

Regards from
Tom :)

On 3 December 2014 at 13:41, David Goldfield 
<<>> wrote:
I've been a screen reader user since 1991 when I started out with DOS 3.X and 
so I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have about this topic.

When you are dependent on using a screen reader, it helps if you can memorize 
shortcut keys. The more keys you can memorize, the more efficient you will 
likely be with computer navigation. For people who just don't do well in 
memorizing shortcut keys, teaching them how to use a program's menu bar or 
ribbon UI can be of great help, as this presents a simple way of getting to all 
of the commands contained within a given program. Many shortcut keys are quite 
intuitive and easy to remember: ctrl-S for save, ctrl-O for open, ctrl-P for 
print, etc. The alt key places focus in or out of the menu/ribbons and alt-f4, 
at least in Windows, is used to close the currently active window or, in many 
cases, running app.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Davies [<>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:15 AM
To: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
Cc: Alex Thurgood;<>
Subject: Re: Re : [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: LO and Mac

Hi :)
I am mildly curious about how people work with screen-readers when they are 
completely dependant on them.

I can often work without a mouse by using some keyboard short-cuts and using 
tab to go through menus.  To some extent i've memorised some of 'the' keyboard 
(thanks to Mavis Beacon and other touch-typing courses) so i could probably 
find the tab key without needing to see it but a lot of times i would be 
completely stuck

I was hoping that being on this mailing list might reveal some tricks that a 
lot of people use but mostly it's been really technical stuff here.  No-one 
here seems to need or ask questions about just workflow or for hints and tips, 
yet.  Maybe that will change once LO is easier to set-up for accessibility, ie 
once java dependence is no longer an issue.

I've been quite glad to see the highly technical answers too, of course but 
it's all just beyond me.  Luckily i've not had to set-up a system for anyone 
needing it but i keep having little trial-runs at it.  One day i should make a 
serious attempt and maybe then things will become a lot clearer.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 3 December 2014 at 09:38, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe 

> Hi.
> Thanks for this info. Actually I wonder how LO behaves with "Voiceover",
> that is, is it possible to browse between toolbars, in the menus, the
> dialogs, etc. For example, is it easy to handle styles and characters
> formatting?
> The question is asked to me by a blind user to do tests. I am aware of
> the lack of resource for this architecture, but I wonder if someone
> tested anyway;
> Regards
> ----- Alex Thurgood <<>> 
> a écrit :
> > Le 03/12/2014 00:52, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
> >
> > Hi Jean-Philippe
> >
> >
> > > Does someone is LibreOffice is accessible with VoiceOver as 4.3.4?
> > >
> >
> > Accessible in which way ?
> >
> > My recent testing of VoiceOver on OSX 10.10.1 and LO 4334 and master
> > build 4.5.0 alpha shows that it mostly works for announcing text
> > paragraphs from a pre-existing Writer document and using keyboard
> > commands to jump from one text block to another.
> >
> > I haven't tested speech input, if that is what you are asking about.
> > There is an open, as yet unconfirmed, bug report that speech input
> > stopped working with LO 4.3.
> >
> > The simple fact of the matter is that there are very few Mac QA
> > testers, and even fewer that use or need VoiceOver, one of the
> > reasons being that assistive technology tools tended to cause LO to
> > crash in previous versions, and thus general advice was to deactivate them 
> > when using LO.
> >
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >

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