What should we change in sugar? 2010/9/8 Tomeu Vizoso <[email protected]>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 18:32, Peter Korn <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Tomeu, gang, > > > > [I'm cc-ing Joanie Diggs, co-maintainer of Orca] > > > > I believe there are 6 key things that need to be done in/for Sugar to > enable use of the GNOME accessibility work for folks with vision > impairments. Others more expert in the specific details may correct/amend > my comments. I believe the 6 things are: > > > > The shift of AT-SPI from CORBA to DBUS (in process, not yet completed, > but builds of at-spi2 are in the GNOME code repository and if someone would > start playing and testing with it on the OLPC, that'd be great!) > > I tested the very recent bits of at-spi2 in sugar-jhbuild and they > seemed to work fine in that accerciser was able to navigate through > the controls of the desktop window and of activities (applications). > > > Implementation of ATK by the Sugar UI components (this is the > accessibility API that screen readers like Orca use) > > Accerciser showed that it could not go into the HippoCanvas widget > that is used in some fundamental parts of the Sugar shell and also > inside our browser. The browser is moving from xulrunner to webkitgtk+ > which I expect to fare much better there. About HippoCanvas, I have > been experimenting with replacing it with custom GtkContainers and > dropping Hippo completely seemed very doable. > > > Creating / adapting a magnifier service on Sugar for Orca. This may be a > fairly trivial port of gnome-mag (non-COMPOSITE edition), or it may be a > complete re-write > > I have no idea of what this entails, but as we have kept quite close > to GNOME's architecture, I expect the fairly trivial port to suffice. > > > Porting Orca to Sugar. This may be fairly trivial, or it may involve a > new Sugar-style GUI, etc. > > Tried out Orca in Sugar and it was able to read windows titles, > buttons labels, etc. What GUI would it have other than a configuration > parameter for starting it automatically at startup? > > > Adding theme support go Sugar for vision impairments - things like a > large-print theme, and inverse theme, etc. > > The Uruguayan deployment has customized their builds in this direction > but I believe they need help upstreaming it. > > > Ensure 100% keyboard operability of Sugar > > Hippo is also the roadblock here. > > > Tomeu - are there folks in sugar-devel who have cycles to work on these > things? > > No idea, I started this thread to find out :) > > Thanks a lot for the great insights! > > Tomeu > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Peter > > > > On 9/7/2010 12:49 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 20:15, Esteban Arias <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > no, I tested with gnome desktop. > > > > > > Ok, I can help you get in touch with the GNOME team that works on > > accessibility if you want. They are very dedicated, friendly and > > talented bunch. Collabora and other companies also provide services > > related to accessibility and GNOME. > > > > But nobody else than us is going to fix accessibility in Sugar so > > that's why I'm asking if anybody here has interest in working on this. > > The first need is finding someone who can tell us what needs to be > > improved in Sugar so it can be used by people with no or very low > > vision. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tomeu > > > > > > > > 2010/9/3 Tomeu Vizoso <[email protected]> > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 18:25, Esteban Arias <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > xo-1.0 | F11 | Dextrose version | Gnome desktop | orca 2.26.3 > > > > If I set: "run at startup" > > orca run correctly. > > > > > > Hi Esteban, > > > > to clarify, you configure orca in some way so it runs when sugar > > starts up and it reads what is on the screen? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tomeu > > > > > > > > If I excecute "orca" from Terminal, shows error: > > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/orca/mouse_review.py:189: Warning: > > invalid > > uninstantiatable type `(null)' in cast to `GdkDisplayX11' > > self._mouseDwellTimeout(event.detail1, event.detail2) > > > > Displays Preferences dialog, but dont reads screen. > > > > Regards, > > Esteban Arias. > > > > 2010/9/2 Tomeu Vizoso <[email protected]> > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 14:51, Esteban Arias <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > I install orca on xo 1.0 with gnome for f11. > > If I config to start session with orca, runs ok. But if I execute > > orca > > from > > terminal, dont run correctly: > > > > > > Hi Esteban, > > > > could be that your email arrived to us incomplete? > > > > Regards, > > > > Tomeu > > > > > > > > 2010/9/1 [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 14:10, Tomeu Vizoso <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 14:08, Esteban Arias > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > hi, > > we can colaborate with this proyect. > > > > > > Excelent, have you tried already orca with Sugar? And with GNOME? > > > > > > I would say that the next step is for someone who knows how orca > > is > > used to give it a try and file tickets for the biggest issues. Not > > sure we can make much more until then. > > > > > > The gnome guys mentioned this the other day and there's going to be > > some more work done within gnome hopefully for F-14. So hopefully we > > should be looking better for that release. > > > > Peter > > > > > > -- > > Esteban Arias > > Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal > > Avda. Italia 6201 > > Montevideo - Uruguay. > > Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228 > > E-mail : [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Esteban Arias > > Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal > > Avda. Italia 6201 > > Montevideo - Uruguay. > > Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228 > > E-mail : [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Esteban Arias > > Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal > > Avda. 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