You are very right! Gopalakrishnan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mahesh Panicker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself
> this has been a very hot debate. now it is time for me to give my view on > the matter. when mr omkar came up with his first very long mail itself, > things should have been sorted out. whatever mr. omkar has sent to the > list, > i do not see anything that would change my life. it is sure that they are > off topic. at first i also thought that things could have been tolled in a > lighter way. but since i read his reply, i must say that the moderatter > was > right. but in a general way, i tend to egree more with viraj. if there are > some mistakes on the part of any members, that can be tolled in a lighter > way. at first the person can be informed directly, and thereafter it > should > come to the list. > let me make it clear. i don't want to question the moderater on this > issue. > thanks and regards. > > > On 8/13/06, Vikas Kapoor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I think he seems to be the top most frustrated person of this world. >> Vikas Kapoor, >> MSN ID: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Yahoo ID: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype ID: dl_vikas >> Mobile: (+91) 9891098137. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kiran Kaja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself >> >> >> > Dear list members, >> > >> > Over the past five years or so of AccessIndia's existence, I have had >> > to >> > painfully moderate a lot of discussions on the list. Sometimes I had >> > to >> > use >> > strong language to desist people from starting strong arguments on why >> > a >> > topic should or should not be discussed on the list. So far, most of >> > you >> > did >> > not have any problem with my attitude towards running the list. But >> > from >> > my >> > e-mail below, I get a feeling that some of you were not happy with the >> way >> > I >> > handled the motivational mumbo jumbo. Yes, I still insist that it is >> mumbo >> > jumbo. How many of use haven't received such e-mails daily in our >> > inbox? >> > If >> > Onkar wants, I can spam his mailbox with mumbo jumbo like this till he >> > stops >> > checking his e-mail out of frustration. >> > >> > But I understand from Onkar's mail that some of us or at least one of >> > us >> > is >> > not happy with the way the issue is handled. If any of you think like >> > that, >> > please let me know immediately. I have always administered the list on >> > majority opinion and all good suggestions from each and every member >> have >> > been implemented if found useful and relevant. I appreciate people >> telling >> > me openly if they have any concerns. I hate those who say things behind >> my >> > back. >> > >> > Yes Onkar, India is a Democracy. But it is no where mentioned that >> > democracy >> > means unlimited freedom. If so, you should not be punished or fined for >> > driving your car on the wrong side of the road or walking in the middle >> of >> > one. In democracy, you are supposed to adhere to certain rules and >> > regulations to obtain your freedom. Like other democratic institutions, >> > AccessIndia too has a set of rules and guidelines which have been sent >> to >> > you when you joined the list. When you do not follow these rules and >> > regulations, you will of course be intimated and necessary action will >> be >> > taken. Please refer to the exact definition of Democracy before >> commenting >> > on it. >> > >> > I have already put forward my view on the language that I use in my >> > moderated mails. One can't argue when one has violated the regulations. >> > >> > Yes Onkar, you are an ignorent person in your own way. I am sorry to >> > say >> > this but you do not realize the true potential and abilities and needs >> of >> > the visually impaired persons. All your mails indicate that you lack >> > proper >> > understanding of what some of us have achieved already. Your helping >> hand >> > is >> > appreciated but not your high handedness. We may use your technology if >> it >> > is good. It doesn't mean that you are the only savier of the blind in >> the >> > entire world. To hell with it, you are much far from it in your actions >> as >> > well as thinking. >> > >> > I am sorry again to say that you are totally blind and not our >> community. >> > We >> > clearly know what our abilities are. We clearly know how to help each >> > other >> > and we clearly know how to use technology and words for our benefits. >> > We >> > have seen the light of the day. It is people like you who lack vision. >> To >> > give you an example, Dinesh Kaushal has contirbuted to the development >> of >> > a >> > free screen reader which can potentially help blind persons get jobs >> > and >> > earn money. Numerous organizations have toiled decades to provide >> > access >> > to >> > books and education. What have you done so far except some technical >> mumbo >> > jumbo the concepts of which have been copied from somewhere anyway. >> Seeing >> > with sound project has been existing from years now. If you think you >> can >> > eradicate blindness through projects like this, you better go and look >> for >> > another job. You are no fit serving in the blindness community >> influencing >> > other ignorent people with your ignorence. >> > >> > As per your braille embosser idea, it sounds good but I would like >> > organizations to be using it before I can comment on it. But if it is >> > so >> > simple, why are people paying thousands of dollars for braille >> embossers. >> > I >> > am tired of projects like these. You should start talking once you have >> a >> > good working model that really works. >> > >> > Games are good but this is no new idea. Games for the blind have been >> > existing for so many years. And there are free ones too. While I >> > appreciate >> > the effort you put in for developing the games, I don't agree that >> > games >> > have started with you. >> > >> > I don't care who helped you create these projects or the number of >> people >> > involved. I don't care how many sleepness nights you put in to create >> > them. >> > You are not the only one who puts in sleepless nights. There are a lot >> of >> > us >> > who work harder than you. But we are not so mean to say that since we >> have >> > put in sleepless nights, the technology is great or people should use >> it. >> > >> > All of the other stuff you write in your e-mail is pure crap. You >> > should >> > really start doing something that benefits us rather than sending mumbo >> > jumbo and writing all sort of idiotic crap. >> > >> > And to all who read this, if you do not like the way I run the list or >> how >> > I >> > moderate messages and if the majority thinks I am wrong, I am happy to >> > make >> > someone else the moderator. But if that is the case, I won't pay for >> > the >> > running of the list or the feature rich accessindia website that is >> being >> > designed as I write this. >> > >> > This topic is open for discussion. >> > >> > Thanks and regards, >> > Kiran. >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omkar >> > Nisal >> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 11:56 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself >> > >> > Dear Group, >> > >> > Its been an amazing experience being with you all! >> > I have never had such respect, care, attention and love from you all >> > >> > Thank you so very much! each and every one of you! >> > >> > YES YOU TOO !! >> > >> > I am extremely sorry to disturb you with my motivational mumbo jumbo! >> > Hahahaha! I loved the term! fantastic! Thank you Mr Kaja. >> > >> > If you might have forgotten, let me be previlldged to remind you that >> > we >> > live in democratic country and every one has right to express...and >> > just >> > like our very own dear Mr Kiran Kaja had a right to speak whatever cute >> > things he wanted to speak, I too have to do the same and I shall >> exercise >> > it >> > with out any fear or regrets what so ever! >> > >> > So I am jolly well ignoring an extremely pleasing request of Mr Kaja of >> > not >> > replying to his splendid email! I mean how can I demean and disrespect >> > that >> > email with an reply!? >> > NO chance at all! >> > >> > I would like to really applaud to the language and way of putting forth >> > things by Mr Kaja and ofcourse so enthusiastic participation of the >> entire >> > group! I am sure your group will go places... and be the best in the >> > world! >> > Surely! >> > >> > I believe it would be quite embarrasing for all of the highly >> intelligent >> > and respected members to have an ignorant and simple person like me >> > talking >> > in the group. Right? >> > >> > Thus to save all the trouble which all the esteeemed members of this >> > community must surely might of been facing while I was making a futile >> > attempt to extend a helping hand in various ways.. I will no longer >> write >> > in >> > this group. (but I will definitely not be mute with out saying what I >> have >> > to say!) >> > >> > I crazily though that I could share the goodness of life, words, >> > technology >> > which are so very inseprable from each other. But thanks to Mr Kaja.. I >> am >> > brutally shaken to reality of the fact that how this community is >> > indeed >> > blind in many apects of life.. not just to light or colors! >> > >> > ( I did see what an amazing response we people have given to >> technological >> > posts... which was the reason I joined this community! Mind blowing! >> > its >> > really very encouraging!!! >> > each and every person in the community replied to the games post that >> > Ms >> > Mamta has submitted! I would really like to extend my personal thanks >> > to >> > each and every one of you! thank you thank you so very much for trying >> out >> > those games which I personally made staying up late in nights for hours >> > together! I thought my efforts were all drained down the lane.. but you >> > saved me from feeling this void! so kind of you! yes each one of you! >> > thank >> > you!!! a personal thank you!) >> > >> > Well I now understand how stupid I am! >> > I am sorry i wasted so much of YOUR ultra precious time!! >> > >> > Some people had wisely told me to keep away from AI. >> > But like a fool I wanted to give every one a chance. >> > >> > one my dear friend specially called me up after reading reply to my >> > post >> > and >> > told me to forget caring about 'Indian' people. ( I believe that is the >> > only >> > another different person in this group!) >> > >> > Any way, some how I have a feeling that with a heavy heart I have to >> > accept >> > this reality that we Indians indeed do not care about each other .. >> > especially about their feelings! >> > >> > (Just take this email for example! do I care about you or your >> feelings!? >> > Not really! Thats why I said WE Indians and wrote one of the most >> > sarcastic >> > emails of my life! ) >> > >> > >> > Thanks a lot for letting a useless person like me be part of AI. >> > I mean so what I written a software that can convert english text >> directly >> > to braille which can be printed on simple dot matrix printer which can >> > work >> > as braille embosser! >> > who cares? >> > >> > so what if I have personally conducted mroe than 300+ experiments to >> > achieve >> > this, so what if I have spend many a sleep less nights toiling to >> > create >> > an >> > algorithm to convert coloured digital images to sound. so what if mroe >> > than >> > 500 people are helping me with this project globally? so what if this >> > project has potential to eradicate blindness from earth? so what if a >> > special hardware is being build to achieve this feat in less than 10$ >> (500 >> > Rs) of manufacturing cost? >> > >> > My friend Anjali beautifully explained to me how most of us (i.e. >> > we Indians) usually think! >> > [ofcourse our group is NOT included in these 'most of us' ] >> > >> > Here it is: >> > >> > Are the americans or british people praising the invention? no we dont >> > trust ourselvess! >> > we were slaves to British people... we will continute to do so! thats >> > basically our motto of life! thats why we will not accept it nor we >> > will >> > support it neither will be take interest in it untill our masters.. >> > i.e. >> > british or american people praises it.. and puts a price tag that is >> > far >> > out >> > of reach of most elite people too... and when that happens.. we can sit >> > and >> > cry and beg for help! >> > >> > some one doing the same for free!?? then that must be not worth it! >> > we are typical Indian!! We would rather beg! and we are proud of it! >> > >> > why should we care about a fellow indian who left a very lucarative >> > occupation and working day in and day out like a maniac for so called >> good >> > of man kind! >> > >> > Totally idiot person he is! isnt he!? >> > >> > Right! >> > >> > Jai Hind! >> > >> > Its amazing being with you all ! >> > >> > Thank you! >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Thank you for taking time to read this email. >> > >> > I better be off to help the Visually challenged people outside India >> > who >> > are >> > not as intelligent, kind,helping, participative, accepting, charming, >> > cheerful, welcoming, EXTREMELY understanding, co-operative, sweet, >> > jolly >> > souls as most of us here are! >> > >> > All the best and May God bless us all with affluence and abundance of >> > everything that we want! >> > >> > Cheers >> > Omeee >> > :) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 8/12/06, Kiran Kaja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Onkar, >> >> >> >> This group is only for discussing accessibility and access technology >> >> or other issues which influence persons with blindness. We don't need >> >> any motivation mumbo jumbo. There are enough places to get stuff like >> >> these and all our members know how to do it. Please send messages >> >> relevant to the topics permitted on the list. Please do not reply to >> >> this mail or answer me. >> >> Just do not forward such stuff. That's all. Thanks for your >> cooperation. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Kiran. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omkar >> >> Nisal >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:05 AM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: [AI] Promise Yourself >> >> >> >> * Promise yourself to be so strong that nothing can disturb your peace >> >> of mind. >> >> >> >> To talk health, happiness, and prosperity to every person you meet. >> >> >> >> To make all your friends feel like there is something in them. >> >> >> >> To look at the sunny side of everything and make your optimism come >> true. >> >> >> >> To think only of the best, to work only for the best, and expect only >> >> the best. >> >> >> >> To be just as enthusiastic about the success of others as you are >> >> about your own. >> >> >> >> To forget the mistakes of the past and press on the greater >> >> achievements of the future. >> >> >> >> To wear a cheerful countenance at all times and give every living >> >> person you meet a smile. >> >> >> >> To give so much time to the improvement of yourself that you have no >> >> time to criticize others. >> >> >> >> To be too large for worry, too noble for anger and too strong for >> >> fear, and to happy to permit the presence of trouble. >> >> >> >> * >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> the subject unsubscribe. >> >> >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org >> >> .in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] the subject unsubscribe. >> >> >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org >> >> .in >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > http://auxel.blogspot.com/ <-- Project to make Free Software for Blind >> > people to percieve coloured images! >> > >> > http://omkarsmiles.blogspot.com/ <--- my photo album online! 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