Dear Subramani
we need to make sure, that NGO's use RTI for government sector.
At 08:41 AM 6/28/2007, you wrote:
>Dear Sudhir:
>
>Your second suggestion (i.e.) the blog to counter politically correct
>reports, is a good one. However, to what extent the disabled can look up
>to government for employment is unknown.
>
>For a start, one account in Karnataka says around 380 jobs in Karnataka
>alone (reserved for the disabled) are not filled from 1971. I have also
>learnt recently that the disability welfare department in the state has
>no idea as to how many vacancies are there in all the state government
>department for persons with disability. Above all, the special
>employment agencies are simply sleeping over the registrations and don't
>inform the PWD's registered with them about the vacancies. So, how do
>you think we can move these immovable and even dead elephants?
>
>Subramani
>
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>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:49 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
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>Dear Subramony,
>
>Yes, the attempt should be to find a solution and methinks highlighting
>this invisible problem is itself part of the solution. The youngsters
>who have read these exchanges are at least now aware that the corporate
>sector adopts two employment models, contractual and regular and often
>discriminates against the disabled, even while proclaiming from
>roof-tops about their noble missions. This awareness itself should
>equip them to scrutinise the job offers that are handed to them, read
>between the lines and possibly not to close their minds against the
>government sector jobs altogether.
>
>Legally, there may be little that we can do, without jeopardising the
>future of our own folks. May be, we can do more discreet investigations
>to determine the extent of rot and perhaps start a blog to counter the
>politically correct reports coming forth in the mainstream media.
>
>More suggestions are welcome from the mature and experienced members.
>Remember, this is a classic case of discrimination as was the raw
>treatment meted out to some of our members by certain private airlines,
>banking institutions etc, but, the sound and fury of the debates at such
>instances seem to be missing this time because the sufferers are silent
>about it.
>
>Rgds
>
>RS
>M: 98 472 76 126
>
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Subramani L
>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:24 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>
>
>In effect, what you are trying to say is while we can say ok to
>contracts, we can't say yes to deferred promotions and lack of
>recognition of performance and so on. But how do we confront this? As
>Rajesh had said we can't legally prove discrimination of this sort, as
>we have sighned up to the contract (which means we are agreeing to the
>terms). Also, how do we distinguish those employers who are creating the
>impression that they have an inclusive policy, while actually
>discriminating in rewarding performances, from those who are genuinely
>inclusive? The purpose of this should be tyo find solutions, rather than
>just exchanging ideas.
>
>Subramani
>
>
>
>
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>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:23 AM
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>Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
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>Dear Harish,
>
>I am not disputing the contract employment system, the retrenchment
>possibility even while in regular employment, the attraction of the IT
>sector or the hard bargain a good professional can drive with a
>prospective employer.
>
>I am merely bothered by the singular way IT majors seem to apply this
>practice to their disabled employees. Parimala's is not an isolated
>case, believe me. Other sufferers are also there on our group and I am
>sure, lots of persons with other disabilities are also discriminated
>against similarly.
>
>In fact, I know of one instance where a high profile CEO of a IT company
>waxed eloquent about opening the doors of his company to the visually
>challenged a few years back, hired a few trainees while he was holding
>an important position in Nasscom and quietly packed them off after he
>faded from the limelight. I have no complaints against him if the
>contract termination was due to the non-performance of the resources.
>But, knowing the corporate penchant for hogging media, it is very
>possible that the entire episode was an orchestrated one, the poor
>visually challenged resources being the sacrificial goats in the
>process.
>
>What amazes me is how the very companies that practise this
>discrimination towards the disabled, still hog the limelight in the
>media as equal opportunity employers of PWDs. Their advertising budget
>ensures that the mainstream media toes their line without any trace of
>the investigative journalism or sting operations that seem to be
>reserved only for politicians and bureaucrats. Wish I had got this
>information on the day rediff.com carried the article on IT companies
>opening their doors to the visually challenged which I had naively and
>enthusiastically posted in AI a few weeks back. I could have at least
>written a few nasty comments on the true state of affairs and the
>readers might have got a more balanced view of the issue. (smile)
>
>Rgds
>
>RS
>M: 98 472 76 126
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harish
>Kotian
>Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:48 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>
>
>Hi Sudhir
>
>Even in public sectors, they are going for contract jobs. Even if one
>gets a
>regular employent, anyone can be easily retrenched.
>
>All said and done, for a fresher private sector is a great learning
>place.
>
>Good hands are in much demand in the IT space and one can leveridge it
>in a
>period of time to ones advantage.
>
>Harish.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sudhir R (NeSTIT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:10 AM
>Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
>
>
> > Dear Harish bhai,
> >
> > I fully agree with you that contract employment could act as the thin
>edge
> > of the wedge to induce companies to consider employing the differently
>
> > abled employees. And, uncertainties do bring out the best from us
>too.
> >
> > But, the fact remains that the best trapeze artists and movie stuntmen
>
> > perform with a safety net to catch them should anything go wrong.
>(smile)
> > I am afraid I can't effectively articulate the gnawing fears and
> > trepidations of a disabled resource working in a IT company who gets
>his
> > contract renewed often only on the last day and perhaps only for a
>further
> > period of six months. I was hoping some of these silent sufferers to
> > speak out, but, obviously they might be feeling embarrassed or
>insecure
> > and I fully empathise with their unenviable situation.
> >
> > Being a banking professional, you will agree with me that life
>requires
> > one to plan ahead for security of our own selves and that of our
>family,
> > like buying a home, making investments for retirement etc. In the
>absence
> > of a working social security mechanism in India, the best bet for a
> > disabled person is still a steady job which guarantees a steady stream
>of
> > predictable revenues. From this point of view, contract employment,
> > highly favoured by the hard core professionals who can dictate their
> > terms, is not the best of news for our young friends.
> >
> > This is what I wanted to highlight through my mail, since I know (and
>I
> > myself have been recommending) many bright youngsters have been
>looking
> > away from the staid government sector job markets to these glamourous
> > sunrise sectors. All that glitters, as is often in real life, is not
> > obviously gold. (smile)
> >
> > Rgds
> >
> > RS
> > M: 098 472 76 126
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harish
> > Kotian
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:02 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
> >
> >
> > Hi Sudhir
> >
> > You have raised a very interesting topic for introspection.
> >
> > In my personal view, contract work is a sort of blessing in disguise.
> >
> > 1 The employers are apprehensive about the capabilities of the blind.
>This
> > gives us a window to make an entry and gives us an opportunity to
>prove
> > ourselves.
> >
> > 2 Due to the uncertainties involved it forces one to get the best out
>of
> > us.
> >
> > However, uncertainty is not desirable in a long run to maintain
>healthy
> > relationship.
> >
> > This can be nicely put to the folks in the HR dept who have
>specialists
> > out
> > there to understand it better.
> >
> > Intervention of NGO's or help from HR consultuncy firms can also help
>in
> > getting the message across.
> >
> > Once having gained experience and having sharpened skill sets one is
>in a
> > better position to find jobs elsewhere. Now, one is in a better
>position
> > to
> > clinch a deal to ones terms.
> >
> > I personally feel it is better to grow in an organisation than keep
> > changing
> > jobs frequently.
> >
> > It helps mutually.
> > Harish.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sudhir R (NeSTIT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
> >
> >
> >> Dear Subramony,
> >>
> >> I can understand hard core professionals opting for contract-based
> >> employment that allows them to be loose-coupled to the employer.
>But,
> >> this is a voluntary decision and most often than not, the terms of
>the
> >> contract are thrashed out after mutual discussions.
> >>
> >> The cases I referred to in my original mail pertains to trainees, not
> >> professionals. I am quite sure they would prefer regular jobs, if
>given
> >> a
> >> choice, since their professional skill-sets are not well-developed.
>And,
> >> what are thrust upon these hapless youngsters are unilateral
>contracts,
> >> not ones discussed thread-bare.
> >>
> >> And, of course, the matter of discrimination comes up when just the
> >> disabled candidates have to put up with such 'modern' practices.
>Those
> >> able-bodied who join along with them or after them are taken on
>rolls.
> >> Now, do you smell something fishy ?
> >>
> >> Rgds
> >>
> >> RS
> >> M: 98 472 76 126
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Subramani
>L
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:36 AM
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Sudhir:
> >>
> >> I am not too conversant with the legalese of contract employment, but
>it
> >> is certainly becoming the trend. Why IT, even the media industry is
>fast
> >> adapting these practices. And, several journalists (both in print and
> >> broadcast), who are able bodied, prefer contract not only because
>they
> >> are paid higher, but also because it is much easier to leave when
>they
> >> no longer inclined to work.
> >>
> >> As far as my knowledge goes, contract employment isn't exclusively
> >> offered to the blind or disabled. On the contrary, even the so-called
> >> able-bodied persons have to accede to demands of employers that they
> >> will be taken as contract employees. Also, contracts in the
>traditional
> >> sense is different from what we are referring here as contracts. Why
> >> contracts, I know IT employees (who are able-bodied) who are asked to
> >> sign a bond that stops them from leaving the company for two or three
> >> years. In my opinion, that is more discriminatory than contracts.
> >>
> >> Let's not forget that we live in a knowledge economy, where
> >> opportunities are increasing with corresponding risks. So, in this
> >> environment, how far we can expect traditional employment terms to be
> >> applied remains a doubt. Perhaps, Rajesh or Kanchan can answer this
>from
> >> a legal perspective.
> >>
> >> Subramani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sudhir R
> >> (NeSTIT)
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:13 AM
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
> >>
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> >> Dear friends,
> >>
> >> We have all been enthused in recent months by the continuous stream
>of
> >> 'heart-warming' news reports from the booming IT and ITES sectors of
> >> India opening their doors to the visually challenged. But, closer
> >> observation of the facts on the ground reveal certain trends that are
> >> disquieting and disillusioning and though not politically correct, I
> >> thought I must bring these to the kind attention of Access Indians.
> >>
> >> a) It seems many of those who have been recruited have been taken in
>as
> >> contract employees and remain so for years together. The professed
> >> excuse bandied by the companies is that they want to keep the actual
> >> employee count low. This excuse would have held water had not the
> >> companies gladly confirmed the non-disabled staff members who were
> >> recruited along with or much later than their disabled counterparts.
>I
> >> can understand a company extending an employee's probation if he does
> >> not measure up, but, extending contracts umpteen number of times seem
>to
> >> take on sinister tones.
> >>
> >> b) Simultaneously, I think these unfortunate disabled candidates also
> >> suffer discriminatory treatment vis-a-vis their non-disabled peers
>in
> >> terms of compensation and benefit, seniority etc due to the long
>years
> >> they spend as contract employees.
> >>
> >> c) It may be fashionable to explain this phenomenon as a modern
>trend
> >> in employment thanks to globalisation, but, when it applies only to
>one
> >> segment of (disadvantaged) employees, I prefer to call it high-handed
> >> discrimination. India does not have a social security mechanism in
> >> place and the best bet for any disabled resource is still the
>security
> >> of a regular job. Unfortunately, the current practice seems to be
> >> denying this precise safety net to the disabled.
> >>
> >> I am not sure how many of Access Indians working in the IT / ITES
>sector
> >> are currently suffering this discrimination silently, hoping to be
> >> confirmed in the years to come. But, anecdotal evidence has shown me
> >> that many of the so-called 'equal opportunity employers' who hog
>media
> >> limelight with their 'diversity enrichment' programmes are major
> >> culprits of this shameful practice. May be, a few of the silent
> >> sufferers should speak out for the sake of other starry-eyed
>youngsters
> >> who have been building castles in thin air after reading all these
>media
> >> reports.
> >>
> >> Simultaneously, can legal eagles like Kanchan and Rajesh educate us
> >> about the current Indian laws applicable to the rights of contract
> >> employees ? I am sure it is mandatory for a company to confirm an
> >> employee after a particular period of being a contract employee. How
> >> does one go about enforcing such laws and how risky would such a
> >> procedure be ?
> >>
> >> And, Subramony, can you smell a journalistic scoop in this issue ?
> >>
> >>
> >> I have been an avid votary of the IT and ITES sector as possible
> >> sources of fullfilling and well-paying careers for the visually
> >> challenged and have even been discouraging the local youngsters from
> >> looking at the unglamourous Government sector, but, I should admit
>this
> >> revelation has forced me to revise my recommendations. In fact, I
>have
> >> started wondering whether this phenomenon is restricted merely to the
>IT
> >> / ITES sector or a characteristic of the entire private sector. I
>know
> >> of at least one case in Kerala where a manufacturing company has been
> >> employing a visually challenged youngster for almost 9 years as a
> >> contract employee at half the salary he would have been entitled for
>in
> >> regular service.
> >>
> >> Please share your individual views, suggestions and experiences in
>this
> >> matter. Skeletons have remained in the corporate cupboards for too
> >> long, methinks...
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> R Sudhir
> >> M: 098 472 76 126
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