Hi all same opertunety, pay and same treetment is surely good, but i just want to draw your atention to the fact, that here in Europe, and surely in India as well women are paid less, and not given same opertunety. so it is not only for disabled this treetment, but for nondisable as well.
i am not suggesting even for a moment, to ignore discrimination, but never to forget, in wiche world, we are living!!! At 08:34 AM 6/28/2007, you wrote: >Dear Harish: > >Contract is certainly fine, but how can someone who is not inferior in >talent and has a disability put up with their peers and juniors >considered for promotion, while they are totally ignored? In the first >place, should we agree for such a contract? Of course, if everyone else >is treated this way we have nothing to feel bad about, but if this is >done only for the disabled, we can't term it in anyother way except >calling it 'discrimination'. > >Fine, we get fantastic experience and private sector is a good training >ground. But, if we are not given a permanent position or overlooked for >promotions, don't you think any prospective employer in future will >construe it as lack of talent, or would get the message that he will get >no complaints, or simply get away with it, if he discriminates against >the disabled person? I think such practices by the employer has long >term impact on the disabled employee. I shall certainly put a word >through my colleagues and find out how common this practice is and if >so, will certainly try writing about this. > >Subramani > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harish >Kotian >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:48 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... > >*********************** >No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > >Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. >***********-*********** > > >Hi Sudhir > >Even in public sectors, they are going for contract jobs. Even if one >gets a >regular employent, anyone can be easily retrenched. > >All said and done, for a fresher private sector is a great learning >place. > >Good hands are in much demand in the IT space and one can leveridge it >in a >period of time to ones advantage. > >Harish. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sudhir R (NeSTIT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:10 AM >Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... > > > > Dear Harish bhai, > > > > I fully agree with you that contract employment could act as the thin >edge > > of the wedge to induce companies to consider employing the differently > > > abled employees. And, uncertainties do bring out the best from us >too. > > > > But, the fact remains that the best trapeze artists and movie stuntmen > > > perform with a safety net to catch them should anything go wrong. >(smile) > > I am afraid I can't effectively articulate the gnawing fears and > > trepidations of a disabled resource working in a IT company who gets >his > > contract renewed often only on the last day and perhaps only for a >further > > period of six months. I was hoping some of these silent sufferers to > > speak out, but, obviously they might be feeling embarrassed or >insecure > > and I fully empathise with their unenviable situation. > > > > Being a banking professional, you will agree with me that life >requires > > one to plan ahead for security of our own selves and that of our >family, > > like buying a home, making investments for retirement etc. In the >absence > > of a working social security mechanism in India, the best bet for a > > disabled person is still a steady job which guarantees a steady stream >of > > predictable revenues. From this point of view, contract employment, > > highly favoured by the hard core professionals who can dictate their > > terms, is not the best of news for our young friends. > > > > This is what I wanted to highlight through my mail, since I know (and >I > > myself have been recommending) many bright youngsters have been >looking > > away from the staid government sector job markets to these glamourous > > sunrise sectors. All that glitters, as is often in real life, is not > > obviously gold. (smile) > > > > Rgds > > > > RS > > M: 098 472 76 126 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harish > > Kotian > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:02 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... > > > > > > Hi Sudhir > > > > You have raised a very interesting topic for introspection. > > > > In my personal view, contract work is a sort of blessing in disguise. > > > > 1 The employers are apprehensive about the capabilities of the blind. >This > > gives us a window to make an entry and gives us an opportunity to >prove > > ourselves. > > > > 2 Due to the uncertainties involved it forces one to get the best out >of > > us. > > > > However, uncertainty is not desirable in a long run to maintain >healthy > > relationship. > > > > This can be nicely put to the folks in the HR dept who have >specialists > > out > > there to understand it better. > > > > Intervention of NGO's or help from HR consultuncy firms can also help >in > > getting the message across. > > > > Once having gained experience and having sharpened skill sets one is >in a > > better position to find jobs elsewhere. Now, one is in a better >position > > to > > clinch a deal to ones terms. > > > > I personally feel it is better to grow in an organisation than keep > > changing > > jobs frequently. > > > > It helps mutually. > > Harish. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sudhir R (NeSTIT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... > > > > > >> Dear Subramony, > >> > >> I can understand hard core professionals opting for contract-based > >> employment that allows them to be loose-coupled to the employer. >But, > >> this is a voluntary decision and most often than not, the terms of >the > >> contract are thrashed out after mutual discussions. > >> > >> The cases I referred to in my original mail pertains to trainees, not > >> professionals. I am quite sure they would prefer regular jobs, if >given > >> a > >> choice, since their professional skill-sets are not well-developed. >And, > >> what are thrust upon these hapless youngsters are unilateral >contracts, > >> not ones discussed thread-bare. > >> > >> And, of course, the matter of discrimination comes up when just the > >> disabled candidates have to put up with such 'modern' practices. >Those > >> able-bodied who join along with them or after them are taken on >rolls. > >> Now, do you smell something fishy ? > >> > >> Rgds > >> > >> RS > >> M: 98 472 76 126 > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Subramani >L > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:36 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... > >> > >> > >> Dear Sudhir: > >> > >> I am not too conversant with the legalese of contract employment, but >it > >> is certainly becoming the trend. Why IT, even the media industry is >fast > >> adapting these practices. And, several journalists (both in print and > >> broadcast), who are able bodied, prefer contract not only because >they > >> are paid higher, but also because it is much easier to leave when >they > >> no longer inclined to work. > >> > >> As far as my knowledge goes, contract employment isn't exclusively > >> offered to the blind or disabled. On the contrary, even the so-called > >> able-bodied persons have to accede to demands of employers that they > >> will be taken as contract employees. Also, contracts in the >traditional > >> sense is different from what we are referring here as contracts. Why > >> contracts, I know IT employees (who are able-bodied) who are asked to > >> sign a bond that stops them from leaving the company for two or three > >> years. In my opinion, that is more discriminatory than contracts. > >> > >> Let's not forget that we live in a knowledge economy, where > >> opportunities are increasing with corresponding risks. So, in this > >> environment, how far we can expect traditional employment terms to be > >> applied remains a doubt. Perhaps, Rajesh or Kanchan can answer this >from > >> a legal perspective. > >> > >> Subramani > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sudhir R > >> (NeSTIT) > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:13 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... > >> > >> *********************** > >> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > >> > >> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. > >> ***********-*********** > >> > >> > >> Dear friends, > >> > >> We have all been enthused in recent months by the continuous stream >of > >> 'heart-warming' news reports from the booming IT and ITES sectors of > >> India opening their doors to the visually challenged. But, closer > >> observation of the facts on the ground reveal certain trends that are > >> disquieting and disillusioning and though not politically correct, I > >> thought I must bring these to the kind attention of Access Indians. > >> > >> a) It seems many of those who have been recruited have been taken in >as > >> contract employees and remain so for years together. The professed > >> excuse bandied by the companies is that they want to keep the actual > >> employee count low. This excuse would have held water had not the > >> companies gladly confirmed the non-disabled staff members who were > >> recruited along with or much later than their disabled counterparts. >I > >> can understand a company extending an employee's probation if he does > >> not measure up, but, extending contracts umpteen number of times seem >to > >> take on sinister tones. > >> > >> b) Simultaneously, I think these unfortunate disabled candidates also > >> suffer discriminatory treatment vis-a-vis their non-disabled peers >in > >> terms of compensation and benefit, seniority etc due to the long >years > >> they spend as contract employees. > >> > >> c) It may be fashionable to explain this phenomenon as a modern >trend > >> in employment thanks to globalisation, but, when it applies only to >one > >> segment of (disadvantaged) employees, I prefer to call it high-handed > >> discrimination. India does not have a social security mechanism in > >> place and the best bet for any disabled resource is still the >security > >> of a regular job. Unfortunately, the current practice seems to be > >> denying this precise safety net to the disabled. > >> > >> I am not sure how many of Access Indians working in the IT / ITES >sector > >> are currently suffering this discrimination silently, hoping to be > >> confirmed in the years to come. But, anecdotal evidence has shown me > >> that many of the so-called 'equal opportunity employers' who hog >media > >> limelight with their 'diversity enrichment' programmes are major > >> culprits of this shameful practice. May be, a few of the silent > >> sufferers should speak out for the sake of other starry-eyed >youngsters > >> who have been building castles in thin air after reading all these >media > >> reports. > >> > >> Simultaneously, can legal eagles like Kanchan and Rajesh educate us > >> about the current Indian laws applicable to the rights of contract > >> employees ? I am sure it is mandatory for a company to confirm an > >> employee after a particular period of being a contract employee. How > >> does one go about enforcing such laws and how risky would such a > >> procedure be ? > >> > >> And, Subramony, can you smell a journalistic scoop in this issue ? > >> > >> > >> I have been an avid votary of the IT and ITES sector as possible > >> sources of fullfilling and well-paying careers for the visually > >> challenged and have even been discouraging the local youngsters from > >> looking at the unglamourous Government sector, but, I should admit >this > >> revelation has forced me to revise my recommendations. In fact, I >have > >> started wondering whether this phenomenon is restricted merely to the >IT > >> / ITES sector or a characteristic of the entire private sector. I >know > >> of at least one case in Kerala where a manufacturing company has been > >> employing a visually challenged youngster for almost 9 years as a > >> contract employee at half the salary he would have been entitled for >in > >> regular service. > >> > >> Please share your individual views, suggestions and experiences in >this > >> matter. 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