your argument is convincing in the term of business. however there is a deep consideration needed for its application in the term of advantage giving to a marginalised section in developing country like ours. even for developed countries in case of sale market, there is a need of original production, which the prologics production lacks. in my opinion safa added to it is nothing but outloud's copy then where lies market entry? the webel software which they are distributing free of cost for establishing libraries free of cost in different parts of country is better one in comparison of its manufacturing. I do not understand why can not our companies make a colaboration of technology transfer? regards .....drunsinha
On 11/21/07, Subramani L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry to say that this is such an unacceptable argument. If we don't > adopt ourselves to the market-place type, globalised environment, we may > not be successful as a consumer group. > > Subramani > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > dr.u.n.sinha narain > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > this discussion should not be ended all of a sudden. we all know that > on one hand u.n. has imposed a regulation for the safe guard of the > rights of the disabled persons. it is the duty of all the organization > to provide accessories free of charges. they receive money from many > charitable organization. as such prologics should not do things in the > interest oof money. if you talk of foreign countries, it is the duty > of each and every organization to appeal wto that it should impose > special rules upon the developed cohuntry's companies that they should > provide goods and accessories for the use of blind on a very low cost > so that a blind living in a developing world could enjoy the benifit > of it. on the other hand vachak is not very compitent. it can not read > out printed scanned pages. even otherwise it is a combination of > outloud, which may be said as a theft when it uses jfw like voice. it > has several defects. i have gone through some others like vidyavriksha > and webel technology. this is nothing but the sheer waiste of time. > had it been a compromising condition with k1000 or jfw, i think we > would have been more benificial. i hope nab inid shall look into it > and shall do the needful. > regards > ....drun > > On 11/19/07, Saurabh Malav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If any person who is supporting piracy would develop a product by > investing > > the same amount whatever Prologix has already spent on the development > of > > Vaachak, then will he be ready to distribute the product at free of > cost? > > There should be no double standard in this field. > > > > If anybody is really interested in freeware then he should come > forward and > > should start to support any open source software. I am really > disappointing > > to say that currently there are several good open source projects > which are > > being developed for blind community but the contribution from Indian > side is > > really very unsatisfactory. > > > > My personal experience has not been so good. Some person always > believes in > > preaching rather than contributing to achieve a goal to empower the > blind > > community. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Saurabh Malav > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amiyo Biswas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I owe you an apology. I tried it on my pc just for an experiment. I > just > > > wanted to test it. However, fortunately I failed and never tried it > again. > > > I > > > assure you that if I require it, I shall purchase the license. In > fact, In > > > West Bengal we do not use even Bengali on computer. That is one > reason > > > that > > > there is no marked progress in the development of Bangali tts. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Amiyo. > > > > > > Cell: +91-9433464329 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Prashant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > > > > > > > >> Let us end this discussion on the list. > > >> > > >> I think most of us understand the reasons behind the prevalence of > piracy > > > in > > >> our society but an effort should always be made for moving to the > right > > >> side. > > >> > > >> The onus is on everyone; we cannot put off the responsibility by > thinking > > >> that the government/institutions have to change the situation. > > >> > > >> Prashant > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Dipendra manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:59 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > >> > > >> > > >> > Last mail on this subject from me with my personal view that I am > > >> > really > > >> > not > > >> > convinced by your advocasy of piracy with any of the arguments. > > >> > > > >> > If some one wants to sell some months of work at Rs. 2000 or 3000 > then > > >> > prologix certainly has this right too. > > >> > > > >> > If eloquance is available with jaws at 6 USD it is because they > could > > >> > work > > >> > out a deal with them. If any developer can project high sales as > jaws > > > then > > >> > I > > >> > am sure Vachak can be sold below 6 USD too. > > >> > > > >> > Dipendra manocha > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Ramit > > > Luthra > > >> > Sent: 18 November 2007 13:04 > > >> > To: [email protected] > > >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > >> > > > >> > Rs. 2000 per PC, Hmm? Give me break! > > >> > Now, if some software vendor wants to provide a hindi speech > output > > >> > through > > >> > his application (which he's selling at the cost of Rs. 2/3000 for > > >> > instance,) > > >> > the user of such application has to buy Vachak separately for Rs. > 2000 > > >> > (just > > >> > costing nearly to the application > > >> > price,) the total cost he's to spend would become Rs. 4/5000, > Would it > > > be > > >> > considered it a low cost product (in purely Indian standard?) > Compare > > >> > to > > >> > it, > > >> > ViaVoice/Eloquence (developped by IBM, and is being used in > Jaws,); the > > >> > English speech synthesizer costs about six dollars (Rs. 250,) per > > > end-user > > >> > (included in the application price). > > >> > This meagre amount looks pretty but it's actually right because > > > end-user > > >> > has nothing to do with the synthesizer, it's just a component of > the > > >> > application like Jaws who has actually bought the developer > version of > > > the > > >> > synthesizer which costs about Rs. 10000. So, there must be some > > > diference > > >> > between Run-Time licenses (Which are given along with the > application > > >> > to > > >> > the > > >> > end-users) and developer licenses (which are bought by > applications' > > >> > vendors). > > >> > > > >> > If components are being sold for such high price, how could you > think > > > that > > >> > applications' vendors would ever be able to include them in their > > >> > products? > > >> > > > >> > Just wonder if some version of Microsoft Windows cost nearly > about the > > >> > price > > >> > at which a laptop being sold, would anybody buy such OS for his > > >> > personal > > >> > laptop? > > >> > > > >> > Please consider this, > > >> > Ramit > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On 11/17/07, Prashant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> the price of Vaachak is Rs. 2000 per Pc. You get the TTS which > can > > >> >> then be used by some external softwares. > > >> >> Prashant > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >> From: "Ramit Luthra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> To: <[email protected]> > > >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:04 PM > > >> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > What's the price of Vachak? > > >> >> > If someone wants to get it for development/distribution (along > with > > >> >> > the fruntEnd application,) how much will it cost? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > On 11/16/07, Dipendra manocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> >> >> Hello Harish > > >> >> >> Vchak with SAFA is fully stablised . Both versions of Vachak > are > > >> >> >> working with SAFA. Different keyboard layouts have also been > > >> >> >> introduced. SAFA is freely downloadable with e-speak from > nabdelhi > > >> >> >> web site. How ever, for Vachak license the license fee needs > to be > > >> > paid. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Thus we are committed to provide combined support on SAFA and > > >> >> >> Vachak being given along with SAFa. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Thanks > > >> >> >> Dipendra > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Harish > > >> >> >> Kotian > > >> >> >> Sent: 17 November 2007 10:36 > > >> >> >> To: [email protected] > > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Hi Dipendra and all > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> I fully agree with you. We shall not have any more thread > relating > > >> >> >> to Vachak. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> I have not used this product, but, has it fully stabilised? I > > >> >> >> understand, they have stopped development work. What happens > to > > >> >> >> those who have paid for it? > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Unfortunately, it is also true projects out here don't reach > fully > > >> >> >> towards its stated goals. > > >> >> >> True, this is a chicken and egg situation. I really don't > know > > >> >> >> which business model shall get us out from this impass. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Harish. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >> >> From: "Dipendra manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> >> To: <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:58 PM > > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >I feel sad when piracy goes full swing even for low costing > > >> >> >> >solutions. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > We are left with no face to speak to any manufacturers to > put up > > >> >> >> > any time for developing solutions for us. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > If we are so stingy in spending then why don't we simply > shift to > > >> >> >> > open source domain where all solutions are available free > of cost > > >> >> >> > and we can stop living like thieves. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > There is no windows for Indian Languages There is no OCR in > > >> >> >> > Indian language There is no decent TTS for any Indian > language. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > This is the cost that we pay when we do piracy. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > We complain that no one made SAPI compliant TTS. It takes 6 > > >> >> >> > months of 4 programmers to make non SAPI TTS into a SAPi > > >> >> >> > compliant one. If Prologix decides to do it for us then we > will > > >> >> >> > make them to starv or force them to close down their > company due > > >> >> >> > to losses. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > We cannot scan any Indian language books. We all complain > about > > >> >> >> > this. > > >> >> >> > Why > > >> >> >> > do > > >> >> >> > you think ABBYY would be interested to create a Indian > language > > >> >> >> > OCR? Do you think they will be able to recover their cost > here? > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Is Vachak so unaffordable? > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Dipendra Manocha > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> >> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of amar > > >> >> >> > jain > > >> >> >> > Sent: 16 November 2007 11:04 > > >> >> >> > To: [email protected] > > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Thanks a lot sir. > > >> >> >> > I will try it out and tell you. > > >> >> >> > Regards, > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > On 11/16/07, Ramit Luthra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> Hello, > > >> >> >> >> You should not run files with the extention .z01/2... Just > run > > >> >> >> >> the file with the extention .zip because else files are > just > > >> >> >> >> subsidiaries of this main file. And yes you should extract > the > > >> >> >> >> main file to start the installation. It will automatically > > > extract > > >> > all the subsidiaries. > > >> >> >> >> Note you must have winzip or other similar tool which > support > > >> >> >> >> splitted zip file format. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Regarding licensing Vachak, I don't know, it should have > worked > > >> >> >> >> if you'd followed the steps exactly because it's been > working > > >> >> >> >> fine with me. Anyway, I've separately uploaded license > files > > >> >> >> >> which you can download from > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> ProLicense.dat: > > >> >> >> >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/4i8y0k > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> ProLicense.txt: > > >> >> >> >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/bao3bn > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Now, try this out again: > > >> >> >> >> 1. Go to your Vachak directory (in program files, where > Vachak > > >> >> >> >> has been installed, insure: This directory must have more > than > > >> >> >> >> 8/9 files, some files must be named something similar to > > >> >> >> >> 'vachak.dll', > > >> >> >> >> 'lang.dll'.) > > >> >> >> >> 2. Copy both the license files you just downloaded. (If > "Confirm > > >> >> >> >> file replace" dialog appears, click Yes to All/Yes button) > 3. Go > > >> >> >> >> to the program folder of LSW (Insure: This folder must > have more > > >> >> >> >> than 20 files, some names are - 'DocEdit.exe', > 'license.rtf', > > >> >> >> >> 'user > > >> >> >> >> manual.def'.) > > >> >> >> >> 4. Copy both the downloaded license files here too (Click > Yes if > > >> >> >> >> any replace confirmation dialog appears.) 5. Now Start > document > > >> >> >> >> editor, run Vani with F5, choose Hindi... from the > language > > >> >> >> >> menu, and type something, if Vani speeks the typed > character, > > >> > Hurrah! > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> If this doesn't work, Tell me, I have one last > alternative. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On 11/14/07, firoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > same here > > >> >> >> >> > sender is not explaining with detail how to manage it i > have > > >> >> >> >> > also down load it but no result > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >> >> >> > From: "Amiyo Biswas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> >> >> > To: <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:37 AM > > >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > Hello, > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > I downloaded all the files. But two > files--vaachak01.g02 and > > >> >> >> >> > > vaachak02.g03--have invalid file extensions. Or I do > not > > >> >> >> >> > > have the programmes associated with these types of > files. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > Moreover, the files Vaachak01.zip and viavoice01.zip > are > > >> >> >> >> > > also invalid winzip files. The error message reads: > > >> >> >> >> > > Compressed (zipped) Folders Error The Compressed > (zipped) > > >> >> >> >> > > Folder is invalid or corrupted. > > >> >> >> >> > > OK > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > Best regards, > > >> >> >> >> > > Amiyo. > > >> >> >> >> > > Cell: +91-9433464329 > > >> >> >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >> >> >> > > From: "Ramit Luthra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> >> >> > > To: "amar jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 5:38 PM > > >> >> >> >> > > Subject: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> Many of our friends have requested me to upload > Vachak on > > >> >> >> >> > >> sendspace so here it is, I have uploaded it, + with > an > > >> >> >> >> > >> extra bonus gift bundled together; that is, viavoice > > >> >> >> >> > >> outloud! If someone asks "What is it?" So, it's a > speech > > >> >> >> >> > >> engine for many foreign languages like US > and/UK/Australian > > >> >> >> >> > >> English, french and ...! > > >> >> >> >> > >> But, what I have read on the website of LSW and in > its user > > >> >> >> >> > >> manual, tells that Vani supports only US English > version of > > >> >> >> >> > >> ViaVoice at present. But that's not bad, after all, > we'll > > >> >> >> >> > >> get rid of bloody Narrator voice and may enjoy jaws > like > > > voice > > >> > with LSW! > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> So, go grab the gift you all, > > >> >> >> >> > >> Vachak: > > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/noekjf > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/ibilg6 > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/c5pn5j > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/e1kh9d > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Outloud: > > >> >> >> >> > >> USXX (2m, contains only USEnglish engine) > > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/wn4esj > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Full (17m) > > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/o3lqev > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/qs3ib8 > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> You should download the full one as you may require > to > > >> >> >> >> > >> install any other language in future, but as of now, > you're > > >> >> >> >> > >> required to install the US English engine only. I > recommend > > >> >> >> >> > >> you to install it from the main folder's "outloud" > > >> >> >> >> > >> setup.exe file instead of its subfolder USXX folder's > > >> >> >> >> > >> setup.exe file. 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