destany my friend Vivek.
that part of my story some other time.
At 05:10 PM 7/22/2021 +0530, you wrote:
Then instead of living with your family and brothers then why went to
Austria and settled, because of fed up off Indian society and went to
Austria, Hahaa
On 7/22/21, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia
<[email protected]> wrote:
> in my case, i lost my father, when i was only 15, few years before
> that, turn blind at the age of 12 in year 1972,
> since both my older brothers were not so good at school
> , could not get good paying jobs.
> my mom was supplying milk
> in our neighbourhood to supplement meagre income.
>
> i am proud
> of my family, who provided me further aducation, inspite of
all the odds.
> .
>
> luckily there thhinking was positive, unlike some of our friends here.
> At 12:32 PM 7/22/2021 +0530, you wrote:
>>Hi Friends,
>>
>>I belong to a lower middle class family and have not been treated in
>>any way that compromised my dignity. Also, I know of many people with
>>disabilities who have done well despite their disabilities and lower
>>socioeconomic background. I have never had servants or any help and
>>in fact, I hate to depend upon sighted folks unless there is something
>>that just cannot be attained due to lack of vision.
>>
>>I am surprised that people with disabilities also count themselves as
>>nonpersons. Good luck disabled community since we are our own
>>destroyer. Let us then also ask for repeal of Rights of Persons with
>>Disabilities Act, 2016 as we don't really exist.
>>
>>And, Avichal, Mahendra has risen from a lower middle class family in
>>Mumbai who was educated in a school for the blind. Let us not have
>>any political agenda while discussing issues. Having said all this, I
>>will always fight for your right to express your views as that is the
>>liberty that we must subscribe to .
>>
>>Stay safe.
>>
>>Ketan
>>
>>On 19/07/2021, [email protected] <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > I do not regularly post in this group. However, after reading the
>> > discussion
>> > on S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill, I felt compelled to speak.
>> > If
>> > we
>> > cannot collectively raise our voices against such blatant display of
>> > ableism
>> > and pure and simple discrimination, then we might as well shut this
>> > group
>> > down and go home. These words sound harsh, I know, but nothing less
>> > would
>> > suffice to respond to the insensitivity displayed by those supporting
>> > the
>> > provisions at issue. Here are my thoughts.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > First, please understand what this provision [S. 15] seeks to do. It
>> > seeks
>> > to inscribe into law a provision that would say that the rule that you
>> > can
>> > only have two children, created by this law, will not apply in the
>> > event
>> > that you have a disabled child. In such cases, you are entitled to have
>> > three children. In other words, the Bill says that a disabled child
>> > simply
>> > does not count as a child. It says that, as parents, you are entitled to
>> > a
>> > do over if a child with a disability is born to you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Second, if the above does not constitute a frontal assault to the
>> > dignity
>> > of
>> > disabled bodies, I wonder what does. If the above provision does not
>> > negate
>> > the personhood of the disabled, I wonder what does. If the above
>> > provision
>> > does not inscribe into law the most horrific stereotypes about having a
>> > disability that we all seek to confront everyday in direct and indirect
>> > ways, I wonder what does.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Third, to say that the bill would have been criticized even if it did
>> > not
>> > have such a provision and hence we should just put up with our
>> > statutorily
>> > sanctioned humiliation and negation, I am sorry to say, reflects a way
>> > of
>> > thinking that is dismissive at best and appallingly discriminatory at
>> > worst.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Fourth, the claim that the criticism of the provision is only academic
>> > and
>> > is divorced from prevailing ground realities is an equally problematic
>> > view.
>> > It is true that many still view having a disabled child as a curse.
>> > That
>> > they feel that a disabled offspring will not be able to contribute
>> > productively. That she would be an undue burden. And that there is a
>> > need
>> > to
>> > have an able-bodied child to compensate for this deficit. However, the
>> > existence of this thought process is a reason for us to fight tooth and
>> > nail
>> > against any attempts to codify these beliefs into law. We must do
>> > everything
>> > we can to interrogate, contest and dismantle this type of thinking. Not
>> > put
>> > our weight behind those who seek to legitimize it by inscribing it into
>> > law.
>> > In other words, the ground realities that one member speaks of are the
>> > very
>> > reason why we should fight back against this provision.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Fifth, as another member points out, the selfsame arguments that are
>> > being
>> > deployed to support this provision have been used in the past to
>> > support
>> > attempts to kill the girl child. Many facts of life that confront us in
>> > everyday life are horrendous and unfortunate. That is no reason to
>> > defend a
>> > law that seeks to sanction these unfortunate realities.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sixth, as disabled people who strive everyday to realize our full
>> > potential
>> > and to break down the barriers standing in our way, it is profoundly
>> > sad
>> > that some of us are willing to unhesitatingly subscribe to the
>> > stereotypes
>> > that this provision embodies. Do we really think that a disabled life
>> > matters less? That a disabled person cannot contribute productively?
>> > That
>> > they cannot do as well as, if not surpass, their able-bodied siblings?
>> > To
>> > the extent that this is so, isn't the society we inhabit also to blame
>> > for
>> > the disabled not realizing their full potential?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Lastly, granted, some children may actually be born with disabilities
>> > that
>> > are so severe and limiting that they may not be able to lead lives of
>> > productivity or a life without significant pain. Even if we accept for
>> > a
>> > moment that a deviation from the two child norm would be okay in such
>> > cases,
>> > that is not what this bill does. The provision does not deal with
>> > disabilities meeting such a high bar. It applies to those with all 21
>> > disabilities covered by the 2016 Act, irrespective of their impact on
>> > the
>> > disabled child.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I will conclude with the painful observation that the ableism displayed
>> > by
>> > the disabled sometimes surpasses that exhibited by the able-bodied.
>> > With
>> > friends like these, who needs enemies?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Rahul
>> >
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