hi Harish, I clearly understood your point. On 8/23/22, Harshit Lohia <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Access Indians, > I also want to put forward my views. Although the solution which I am > suggesting is a stop-gap arrangement and curtails malpractices only > partially, it can be a good beginning in this direction without > brushing many feathers in the influential circles. I suggest that > initially, say for 2-3 years, written exam (both online and > pen-and-paper mode) should continue the way they are. Intervention can > be after that. > 1. For jobs requiring interview, at the time of interview candidates > should be provided a computer with screen-reader of their choice > (which can be declared by candidate at the time of filling the form). > An audio recording of a passage (say of 100 words) should be given and > the candidate should be made to type the same independently using > screen-reader. This will test the basic computer proficiency of the > candidate and basic language skills such as grammer and spellings. > 2. For jobs not requiring interview, the candidate can be given the > flexibility of taking this test either on braille or computer. This > flexibility is to take care of less priviledged but deserving blind > candidates. > The above test will not rule out the scribe business completely but > totally undeserving blind candidates will be weeded out and it can be > a good starter. It will also give a signal in the market that the > government and the industry is keen on addressing these issues. > > > On 8/23/22, ishan sangi <[email protected]> wrote: >> Dear list members >> >> I hope you are doing great >> >> I haven't discussed any solution in my previous mails because >> >> I am writing a proper case and its solution so that I can share it with >> everyone over this list >> Although I support technological intervention in exams but don't you >> think >> it is possible to do cheating in exam >> With the help of computers and laptops >> And introducing technology in examination hall is not that much easy it >> requires lot of changes starting from software development to paper >> setting >> and lots of homework because in this case we can't leave any stone unturn >> and as we know everything is subjective to person to person however I do >> support technology and human interaction in exams and will send my >> opinion >> very soon >> >> Regards >> Ishan jain >> Student of Indian institute of management Indore >> Alumni Of the kirorimal college University of Delhi >> Co-founder of escafate edtech >> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 2:30 PM 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes, times have changed and so as technology too. >>> But how many vi students can afford to have computers and learn >>> technology >>> in quick time? >>> >>> I am only telling that before exploring to give exams in systems, have >>> practical knowledge to do the exercises rather than struggling during >>> exams. >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> DR. PAUL MUDDHA >>> DIVISIONAL MANAGER >>> Marketing & Public Relations Wing >>> Head Office Annex ground Floor >>> 2nd Cross, Gandhi Nagar Bangalore – 560009 >>> PH NO :080 22207594 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On >>> Behalf Of anirudh rao >>> Sent: 23 August 2022 13:22 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is >>> Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'? >>> >>> CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click >>> any links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know >>> that >>> the content is safe. >>> >>> hi Ishan, >>> you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems. >>> but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same. >>> by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking >>> about? >>> and what are the infrastructure in this case? >>> and Paul sir, the time has changed. >>> technology is the way of the future. >>> >>> On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Hi >>> > >>> > >>> > I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have >>> > expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on >>> > this list. >>> > >>> > >>> > This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled >>> > centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully. >>> > >>> > >>> > We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to >>> > different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is >>> > different and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology >>> > intervention besides the quality of technology is so very variant. >>> > Therefore, what is required is flexibility and spirit of >>> > accommodation. >>> > >>> > >>> > Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice >>> > taking undue advantage of the situation. >>> > >>> > >>> > The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names >>> > where we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those >>> > persons and make only them pay for it. >>> > >>> > >>> > Merely grumbling here and not doing the later part is doing wrong to >>> > the deserving candidates. It is also alarming, the general perception >>> > is altering that blind persons are abusing the system. Therefore, the >>> > onus of proving that we have earned our marks is on us, by raising >>> > our >>> > standards that no one dares to think otherwise. >>> > >>> > >>> > Harish Kotian >>> > >>> > >>> > On 22/08/2022 20:45, ishan sangi wrote: >>> >> for more discussion please come on my whatsApp >>> >> <https://wa.me/919462942428> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:41 PM ishan sangi <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> hellow everyone >>> >>> >>> >>> this is my 2nd mail on this topic >>> >>> >>> >>> let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions >>> >>> which I need answers from all of you >>> >>> >>> >>> case 1. >>> >>> a student of class x who is blind he prepare for his class x exam >>> >>> and he was sure that he will score well in Exams. on the day of >>> >>> exam the bord give him scribe but the scribe was not good with >>> >>> english but student does not want to spoil his exam he started with >>> >>> exam, after scribe started facing problems with pronunciation he >>> >>> started to speeking spelling e.g. transaction he told t r a n s a >>> >>> c t I o n since the student was from english medium school he was >>> >>> given best scribe in previous exams. and now he was faseing problem >>> >>> but he was understanding and answering questions, when student was >>> >>> answering questions he have to tell most of word in the form of >>> >>> spelling e.g. if student want to dictate isolation he have to do >>> >>> like I s o l a t I o n which is taking time please note that the >>> >>> scribe was from senter and was studying in class IX because of this >>> >>> the student got only 64 % >>> >>> >>> >>> part end >>> >>> questions >>> >>> what was the falt of student? >>> >>> now who is responsible for this? >>> >>> >>> >>> case 2 >>> >>> this time that student opted for PC based exam for his class XII >>> >>> exam he was having subjects accounts, English, economics, business >>> >>> studies, maths and psychology on the first day he has paper of >>> >>> accounts when he reached on his examination center he found out >>> >>> that the computers were not fine and >>> >>> screen reader was crashing he suffered from time shortage harf of >>> his >>> >>> paper was unattempted >>> >>> 2nd day when he having english exam things were fine he did his >>> >>> paper before time and came back home 3rd day when he has maths paper >>> >>> the screen reader was not reading question properly again his paper >>> >>> was not good e.g. screen reader was reading times simble as X pai >>> >>> simble as !! divided simble as dash or plus, union simble U and 2 >>> >>> upon 5 as 2 >>> >>> 5 >>> >>> next day psychology paper was good >>> >>> but on the day of economics paper because of OCR problem again >>> >>> mathematical simble were not read properly and 5X5 XY graf was >>> >>> told like xx >>> >>> 5 >>> >>> 4 >>> >>> 33 >>> >>> 2 >>> >>> 1 >>> >>> 012345 >>> >>> how will he answer questions like these on the day of business >>> >>> studys paper suddenly computer got stopd, and it wasn't started >>> >>> after many tries. >>> >>> on the result day >>> >>> he got psychology 97 English 99 economics 43 maths 50 accounts 59 >>> >>> and in business study paper it was 0 total 348/600=58% his pre boad >>> >>> result he got psychology 87 English 90 economics 93 maths 90 >>> >>> accounts 99 and in business study 95 total 554/600 >>> >>> >>> >>> he can't make to his dream college >>> >>> case end >>> >>> what was the falt of student? >>> >>> now who is responsible for this? >>> >>> shouldn't we have to improve infrastructure first? >>> >>> who will lisson his part? >>> >>> what about his hardwork? >>> >>> should he stop studying subjects like economics, maths etc? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> now if we are talking about scribe vs screan reader what is write >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> note both cases are not related to any live or ded person >>> >>> >>> >>> want to just explain how are problems are different in real life >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> and yes I was just putting my points don't want to hert anyone's >>> >>> feelling regards ishan jain co founder of EscaFate EdTech student of >>> >>> indian institute of management indore alumni of KiroriMal College >>> >>> University of Delhi contact at WhatsAPP >>> >>> <https://wa.me/919462942428> LinkedIn >>> >>> <https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/ishan-escafate> >>> >>> official mail [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> WhatsApp <https://wa.me/919462942428> contact >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 9:02 AM Marisport A <[email protected]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Dear AI members, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> This is a good discussion. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> When we were asked to give our voice on NEP on Disabilities, we >>> >>>> have given our views on macro level and few points on each type of >>> >>>> disabilities. however, I opine the outcome based inclusive >>> >>>> education is the need of the hour. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> when we are thinking about scribe related mal practices I would >>> >>>> like to highlight the following points,- >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 1) scribe as an option given to visually impaired who is totally or >>> >>>> partially blind. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 2) the total blind has the option of learning screen reader from >>> >>>> the beginning >>> >>>> or using scribe from the beginning or both. however, the low >>> >>>> vision candidates may not have the experience of the both from >>> >>>> beginning. In fact, I come across some of the low vision candidates >>> >>>> have opted for scribe due to the font size and other technical >>> >>>> glitches in the examination. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 3) I have appeared a group 4 exam in TNPSC, I have been allotted a >>> >>>> scribe and at the time of commencement of the exam, the examiner >>> >>>> asked the scribe to record our conversation during the exam in an >>> >>>> audio cassette. I opine that this can be adopted as best practice; >>> >>>> but, there is a possibility of haggling arrangement between the >>> >>>> scribe and the blind candidate. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 4). audio and video recording of the entire exam by the blind while >>> >>>> using scribe could be a viable option; for this, mobile of examiner >>> >>>> or other people can be used for the recording. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 5). though bringing scribe is given as an option to blind candidate >>> >>>> still, I advocate that government should have pool of scribe with >>> >>>> adequate qualification as per the requirements of each exams so >>> >>>> that, states and PSUs could minimize these mal practices. I would >>> >>>> like to highlight that my struggle on finding scribe during covid >>> >>>> time while writing swayam exam was very painful. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 6) we should not forget stories of how genuine candidates who lost >>> >>>> their class exams and competitive exams due to unqualified scribes. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 7) now option of scribe is also provided to other bench mark >>> >>>> disabilities as well; hence, I also emphasize to widen the >>> >>>> discussion for having comprehensive scribe policy. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Regards, >>> >>>> Dr. A. Marisport >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 8/20/22, Pranav Lal <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>> Vaibhav, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I would have agreed a few years ago where screen readers did >>> >>>>> indeed have different keystrokes. However, these days, most screen >>> >>>>> readers have >>> >>>> adopted >>> >>>>> similar keyboard layouts. Yes, there are differences but those are >>> >>>>> shrinking. 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