hi Ishan, you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems. but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same. by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking about? and what are the infrastructure in this case? and Paul sir, the time has changed. technology is the way of the future.
On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > > I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have > expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on > this list. > > > This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled > centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully. > > > We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to > different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is different > and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology intervention > besides the quality of technology is so very variant. Therefore, what is > required is flexibility and spirit of accommodation. > > > Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice > taking undue advantage of the situation. > > > The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names where > we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those persons and > make only them pay for it. > > > Merely grumbling here and not doing the later part is doing wrong to the > deserving candidates. It is also alarming, the general perception is > altering that blind persons are abusing the system. Therefore, the > onus of proving that we have earned our marks is on us, by raising our > standards that no one dares to think otherwise. > > > Harish Kotian > > > On 22/08/2022 20:45, ishan sangi wrote: >> for more discussion please come on my whatsApp >> <https://wa.me/919462942428> >> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:41 PM ishan sangi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> hellow everyone >>> >>> this is my 2nd mail on this topic >>> >>> let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions >>> which >>> I need answers from all of you >>> >>> case 1. >>> a student of class x who is blind he prepare for his class x exam and >>> he >>> was sure that he will score well in Exams. on the day of exam the bord >>> give him scribe but the scribe was not good with english but student >>> does >>> not want to spoil his exam he started with exam, after scribe started >>> facing problems with pronunciation he started to speeking spelling >>> e.g. transaction he told t r a n s a c t I o n since the student was >>> from >>> english medium school he was given best scribe in previous exams. and >>> now >>> he was faseing problem but he was understanding and answering questions, >>> when student was answering questions he have to tell most of word in >>> the >>> form of spelling e.g. if student want to dictate isolation he have to >>> do >>> like I s o l a t I o n which is taking time >>> please note that >>> the scribe was from senter and was studying in class IX >>> because of this the student got only 64 % >>> >>> part end >>> questions >>> what was the falt of student? >>> now who is responsible for this? >>> >>> case 2 >>> this time that student opted for PC based exam for his class XII exam >>> he >>> was having subjects accounts, English, economics, business studies, >>> maths >>> and psychology on the first day he has paper of accounts when he >>> reached >>> on his examination center he found out that the computers were not fine >>> and >>> screen reader was crashing he suffered from time shortage harf of his >>> paper was unattempted >>> 2nd day when he having english exam things were fine he did his paper >>> before time and came back home >>> 3rd day when he has maths paper the screen reader was not reading >>> question >>> properly again his paper was not good e.g. screen reader was reading >>> times >>> simble as X pai simble as !! divided simble as dash or plus, union >>> simble >>> U and 2 upon 5 as 2 >>> 5 >>> next day psychology paper was good >>> but on the day of economics paper because of OCR problem again >>> mathematical simble were not read properly and 5X5 XY graf was told >>> like >>> xx >>> 5 >>> 4 >>> 33 >>> 2 >>> 1 >>> 012345 >>> how will he answer questions like these >>> on the day of business studys paper suddenly computer got stopd, and it >>> wasn't started after many tries. >>> on the result day >>> he got psychology 97 English 99 economics 43 maths 50 accounts 59 and in >>> business study paper it was 0 >>> total 348/600=58% >>> his pre boad result >>> he got psychology 87 English 90 economics 93 maths 90 accounts 99 and >>> in >>> business study 95 >>> total 554/600 >>> >>> he can't make to his dream college >>> case end >>> what was the falt of student? >>> now who is responsible for this? >>> shouldn't we have to improve infrastructure first? >>> who will lisson his part? >>> what about his hardwork? >>> should he stop studying subjects like economics, maths etc? >>> >>> >>> now if we are talking about scribe vs screan reader what is write >>> >>> >>> note both cases are not related to any live or ded person >>> >>> want to just explain how are problems are different in real life >>> >>> >>> and yes I was just putting my points >>> don't want to hert anyone's feelling >>> regards >>> ishan jain >>> co founder of EscaFate EdTech >>> student of indian institute of management indore >>> alumni of KiroriMal College University of Delhi >>> contact at >>> WhatsAPP <https://wa.me/919462942428> >>> LinkedIn <https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/ishan-escafate> >>> official mail [email protected] >>> >>> WhatsApp <https://wa.me/919462942428> >>> contact >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 9:02 AM Marisport A <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear AI members, >>>> >>>> This is a good discussion. >>>> >>>> When we were asked to give our voice on NEP on Disabilities, we have >>>> given our views on macro level and few points on each type of >>>> disabilities. however, I opine the outcome based inclusive education >>>> is the need of the hour. >>>> >>>> when we are thinking about scribe related mal practices I would like >>>> to highlight the following points,- >>>> >>>> 1) scribe as an option given to visually impaired who is totally or >>>> partially blind. >>>> >>>> 2) the total blind has the option of learning screen reader from the >>>> beginning >>>> or using scribe from the beginning or both. however, the low vision >>>> candidates may not have the experience of the both from beginning. In >>>> fact, I come across some of the low vision candidates have opted for >>>> scribe due to the font size and other technical glitches in the >>>> examination. >>>> >>>> 3) I have appeared a group 4 exam in TNPSC, I have been allotted a >>>> scribe and at the time of commencement of the exam, the examiner asked >>>> the scribe to record our conversation during the exam in an audio >>>> cassette. I opine that this can be adopted as best practice; but, >>>> there is a possibility of haggling arrangement between the scribe and >>>> the blind candidate. >>>> >>>> 4). audio and video recording of the entire exam by the blind while >>>> using scribe could be a viable option; for this, mobile of examiner or >>>> other people can be used for the recording. >>>> >>>> 5). though bringing scribe is given as an option to blind candidate >>>> still, I advocate that government should have pool of scribe with >>>> adequate qualification as per the requirements of each exams so that, >>>> states and PSUs could minimize these mal practices. I would like to >>>> highlight that my struggle on finding scribe during covid time while >>>> writing swayam exam was very painful. >>>> >>>> 6) we should not forget stories of how genuine candidates who lost >>>> their class exams and competitive exams due to unqualified scribes. >>>> >>>> 7) now option of scribe is also provided to other bench mark >>>> disabilities as well; hence, I also emphasize to widen the discussion >>>> for having comprehensive scribe policy. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dr. A. Marisport >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/20/22, Pranav Lal <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Vaibhav, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would have agreed a few years ago where screen readers did indeed >>>>> have >>>>> different keystrokes. However, these days, most screen readers have >>>> adopted >>>>> similar keyboard layouts. Yes, there are differences but those are >>>>> shrinking. I use nvda, orca, narrator and jaws routinely. For basic >>>> word >>>>> processing, the keystrokes are virtually the same. The same applies to >>>>> navigating on the internet. Yes, jaws has forms mode, nvda has focus >>>> mode >>>>> but that is a difference in terminology. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Computer trouble can hit any one and in any exam center. I was >>>>> recently >>>>> taking an exam at prometric where there was a delay of 2 hours because >>>> the >>>>> exam software was not coming up. >>>>> >>>>> Note: >>>>> >>>>> I was using a scribe for that exam, screen readers were not permitted. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pranav >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >>>> of the >>>>> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >>>>> veracity; >>>>> >>>>> 2. 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