Dear Vikas Kapoor,

This is interesting. I wonder how did they manage to illiminate the other providers. Is it about price-fixing and plans-fixing here in India? In sSouth Africa we have a free-market system in which generally this type of price-fixing is illegal. Anything like that in India to protect the consumer and encourage better competition between providers offerings?

To bring this on-topic for this group, I suspect such competition will see more providers wanting to make their products accessible to more people, hence accessibility build into Apps Etc.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-----Original Message----- From: Vikas Kapoor
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2023 10:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AI] Re: Looking for Cellular provider with Accessible App and helpdesk

Forget about that, gone are those days when you have unit-based
charges, the most pathetic story here in India is that everyone apes
the other one. In any case, at one point of time, we in India used to
have nearly 8 service providers which has now been reduced to only 2
or 3. So, each service provider has almost the same structure of call
charges and tariffs.

On 22/03/2023, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Folks,
I’m adding one more item to this list which I forgot in my previous
message.
I am looking for your personal experience on a combination of the following
factors:
1. A cellular provider whose App is accessible to Talkback for Android, or
which uses a good Web interface to view account balance and prepaid history
that can be navigated from a PC Web Browser.
2. A cellular provider which offers simple pricing without funny bells and
whistles but does what it is supposed to do: allows the user to make phone
calls and use Data at the best prices.
3. If possible, a cellular provider which charges by usage unit prices and
not by expiry dates.
4. A cellular provider which has a helpdesk number that actually effectively
leads to a human operator.

Any advice will be appreciated. You can write me off-list if this might hog the list, although I believe the accessibility questions may prove useful to
others here.


Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Harish Kotian
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 11:31 AM
To: [email protected] ; Muralidharan Vishwanath
Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

Hi

It is necessary to start with a deadline.Sure enough, looking at the data it
will be extended. Glad to know you concur with UDID implementation.We have
seen with linking PAN with Adhar, the deadline was extended.




We too tend to lax without a deadline.



May I clear the myth which tends to be propagated in some quarters that I am
arbitrary in intervening in a flamed and out of scope postings.It was
certainly spelt out without context presently.



In many occasion in the past there was a effort to have a single disability card. However, the effort was halfhearted then. Hopefully, linked with Adhar
it really happens.

We too need to keep the pressure that it happens.



Harish



On 19/03/2023 10:47, Muralidharan Vishwanath wrote:

  For your information, it is the NPRD which advocated for a universally
valid ID for disabled right at its inception in 2010.
  It was also  at the NPRD's behest that the universal validity of the
disability certificate was incorporated into the RPD Act, 2016.

Therefore, the allegation that we are attempting to"stalling" this effort
is baseless and malafide. (I am sure, I too will be kicked out of the list
now).

But the DEPwD is setting a deadline of April 1, 2023 even while more than half of the disabled population who possess disability certificates have not
been issued UDID cards. How can this be accepted?

Secondly, the central government's own departments do not accept the UDID - railways for instance insists that one should procure the card that it is
issuing. Every year several cases are highlighted of MBBS aspirants whose
UDID cards are rejected and a reverification of their disability done at
designated centres. This defeats the very purpose of the UDID.

  I am not going into the various issues with the procurement of UDID that
people face, that is a different matter.

The NPRD's interest is to see that all disabled are able to get UDID in a hassle free process. When the disability certificate is replaced by the UDID
and becomes valid for all purposes, it is natural that it will become
mandatory (like the certificate earlier) for availing any scheme.

  What we have asked for is the difficulties that people are facing in the
procurement of the UDID so that we can take it up with the government. Let
me make it loud and clear. We have not and do not intend to stall or oppose
the UDID.

  All the best sathiyo.


  On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:52 AM Harish Kotian <[email protected]>
wrote:

    Hi

    It is my personal opinion that UDID should be made mandatory for
availing all services for the disabled.It should be the only identification
means for authenticating disability.




    Having said this, all the services should be put in place before the D
date and scaling  up should be fully factored in. There are numerous
benefits to us through UDID. We should not fall into the temptation of
stalling the effort and rather we should clearly not join them.




    There may be some difficulty for sometime. That always happens during
transition. As what they say, you don't throw the baby with the bathwater




    I am well aware, there is going to be sharp reactions to my line of
thought, however I am convinced UDID is progressive and disabled friendly
and this is the most important thing which can make huge changes for our
benefit.




    Harish



    On 19/03/2023 06:43, bhawani shankar verma wrote:

UDID should not be mada mandatory. we must fight collectively for it.


      On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 9:09 pm Amar Jain, <[email protected]>
wrote:

        I would like to help you out to address your concerns. I am a
corporate lawyer and have an interface with the authorities you are
struggling with.

        Is there a way we can speak? I am reachable on 9892622230. Thank
you.


        Sent from my iPhone


          On 18-Mar-2023, at 12:55 PM, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
<[email protected]> wrote:


          
          Dear Muralidharan,

          Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some
success. In India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something
inaccessible to achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5
biscuits each from the packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit
packet on the table even before the distribution to all the attendees. This
is my experience having come to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for
the blind is impossible here in Vrindavana because the agents say the retina
scan cannot be bypassed. Without Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I
went to buy my home, they refused because a blind person cannot own
property. We have to be linked with a sighted person who has Aadhaar so that
the property can be registered with the sighted person’s name. I am very
hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be no authority in place
who really cares to actually do something.
          Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I
feel life was better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later
the African leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free. How wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I
return home only to find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and
disorganized administration. For example, the National number for the
Aadhaar Helpdesk is 1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!

          Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are
fighting a very difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri
Ramachandra who was the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk with
you – no – carry you through this fight.

          Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)
          From: Muralidharan Vishwanath
          Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM
          To: [email protected]
          Subject: [AI] Issues with UDID

          March 18, 2023



          As all of you are aware, the UDID is being made mandatory from
April 1, 2023 for registering for central government schemes.



          This even while more than half of the disabled who have
certificates, have not been issued UDID or have enrolled but not been issued
certificates, or have been unable to enroll for it, due to various issues.



          UDID is being made compulsory even when central government’s own
ministries/departments viz. railways, for admissions to MBBS, for
recruitment in jobs, or many institutes of higher learning are refusing to
accept the validity of the card



          The NPRD has written to the DEPwD objecting to the mandatory
imposition of the UDID.



It has also raised the issue of the refusal by various departments
to accept its validity.



Notwithstanding this, we would like to list before the department,
the issues that the disabled are facing with regard to procuring UDID.



One of the main issues that has been identified especially in the
rural areas is about non-availability of seva kendras, private centres
charging hefty amounts, or they being far away including their
inaccessibility. Second issue identified is about card not being issued
despite passage of a long time after enrollment.



          We are seeking a meeting with the Secretary DEPwD next week. The
issues that we are attempting to list will be placed before him.



You are requested to assist us by informing us of the issues that
you face. You may please mail to us by March 20, 2023 evening at
[email protected]





          Muralidharan

          General Secretary

          NPRD

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