Harish Bhai! No way! I cannot believe it! Are you sure you did not write that excellent poem yourself? This effort requires appreciation of human emotion such as “love” and “hope”. Something not conscious in the way we are, cannot use those concepts in such creatively and knowing ways. You have to actually realize these feelings to do that, not so? I mean, in the same way that a blind person from birth cannot properly express the subtleties of colours in a poem until they are directly given associations with other sensory experiences to compare? And since a non-living entity does not have any sensory and what to speak of emotional experience (realization), then how can it do what you just described, is completely frightening. Does it now experience human consciousness? If so that would destroy the very foundation of my faith: that God is the only designer of consciousness. Surely it cannot be consciously experiencing anything, to do what it does? Please say how then can it do this otherwise! For now I’m shocked so severely that my emotions are affected and my breathing has actually become shallow on reading this poem, as if someone has just nocked the wind out of my stomach.
Yamuna Jivana Dasa From: Harish Kotian Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2023 4:51 PM To: [email protected] ; Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) Subject: Re: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person understand the concept of colours Hi You are correct in your comments. However, Chat-gpt is expected to understand natural language and makes necessary allowances. However, it correctly understood the intend and responded correctly. Ketan and others- it too admitted it is not possible to give an exact experience however it did best to put across the points in the best ways possible. The important point was did it make any headway at all in comprehending this concept. Were the examples helpful at all? I was sort of trying to test its capability. I asked it to write a poetry on 'celebrating emptyness'. I suppose it would have found very little in terms of learning from earlier responses as there would have been very little to fall back on a topic like this which as a topic is difficult to catch in the first place. Hold on for a moment and think what you would have come up with this topic. now compare with its response: Here are the lines with Chat GPT has penned. I have already done a google search and plagiarism check. Sure, here's a poem that celebrates emptiness: Emptiness, a blank canvas, unadorned A space for growth, a chance to be reborn A void to fill, a space to create A world of possibility, it's ours to make It's not a emptiness of loss or lack But one of hope, a second chance at back A space to breathe, to start anew A chance to see what you can do Emptiness, a space for the soul A place to grow, to find a goal A journey ahead, with endless dreams A world of hope, or so it seems So let us embrace this emptiness with pride And fill it with love, from deep inside A new beginning, a chance to thrive Emptiness, a gift for which to strive. Harish On 05/04/2023 17:52, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) wrote: Dear Harish Bhai, Very nice explanation. However I would reconsider words like “understand” and “Comprehend”, replacing those with words like “associations” or “Analogy” Etc. I say this because we must be clear to the sighted world, and even the totally blind who have seen before, that it is currently not possible to allow a blind-from-birth person to actually realize by experience the concept of colour. At best we can make associations with other sensory experiences we do know. My personal experience is that they just can’t imagine it that our brains do not realize the experience at all, and so we cannot imagine the actual experience even in our minds or in dreams. They are often blown away and can’t comprehend the extent that we cannot know by actual realization, in as much as our minds are blown away when we think of trying to have the actual experience of colour. One time back in South Africa, I was trying to explain my difficulty of realizing relative North in a known spacial context without clearly having another direction defined to me. I struggled to help this totally blind, formally sighted friend appreciate how I do not have much of a mental map in my head. He couldn’t see my point, and I gently let it go. Now having said that, there are other born-blind people who seem to have a far better spacial dimension than I do, so perhaps it’s just my own shortcoming. I leave that to think about. Nice discussion. Thanks. Yamuna Jivana Dasa From: Harish Kotian Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2023 5:34 PM To: AccessIndia:a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning thedisabled. Subject: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person understand the concept of colours Hi An interesting response to the captioned query: Understanding the concept of colors for a person who is blind from birth or has severe visual impairments can be challenging. However, there are several ways in which a blind person can comprehend colors: 1. Associating colors with other sensory experiences: Colors can be associated with sounds, tastes, textures, and smells. For example, red can be associated with the taste of spicy food or the sound of a trumpet. 2. Learning color names through verbal description: A sighted person can describe colors to a blind person using words such as "red is warm like fire" or "blue is cool like water." 3. Touch-based systems: There are various touch-based systems, such as raised line drawings, tactile graphics, and Braille labels, that can help a blind person understand colors. These systems use different textures or shapes to represent different colors. 4. Technology: With the advancement of technology, there are now devices such as color recognition apps, which can help a blind person identify colors. These apps use a smartphone camera to detect and identify colors and announce them through audio output. 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