That being a proud Android user does not make me aur anyone else poor, spending wisely is again situational.Ajay Minocha Mobile: +91-9584076767 Email: [email protected] [email protected]. <[email protected]>in
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025, 22:15 Mujtaba Merchant, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey, what does your below mail mean? What are you trying to say? > > Sincerely, > > > > *Mujtaba Merchant* > > Bangalore | INDIA > > Sent from my iPhone ® > *Help support my causes:* NVDA > <https://www.nvaccess.org/support-us/#donation-support> | Billion Strong > <https://www.billion-strong.org/donate-today/> | EyeWay > <http://eyeway.org.in/?q=donate-0> > > > On Jun 26, 2025, at 8:01 PM, Ajay Minocha <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Well - I never wanted a debate in the first place but it's concerning when > personal preferences become a subject of mudd shedding. > I hope the moderator has a fair look at this message. > > Cheers, > Ajay > > > On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 at 15:11, Mujtaba Merchant <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks for sharing your detailed experience with iOS and Android >> accessibility features. I completely agree that iOS has a more seamless and >> refined experience, especially with VoiceOver. For me, it's not about >> luxury, but about the return on investment (ROI) - and in this case, the >> ROI is 100%! I've had to save up for 2-3 years to get an iPhone, and even >> then, it's not the latest model. But for someone like me who relies on >> accessibility features, it's worth the wait. Guess some of us are just poor >> like that, and we need to prioritize our spending! 😊 Thanks again for >> your insights! >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On >> Behalf Of *sagar Verma >> *Sent:* 21 June 2025 09:18 PM >> *To:* AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Request for Lobbying Disability Discounts on >> Smartphones for the Blind Community >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Honestly, the issues on Android are serious deal breakers—especially for >> someone who relies on accessibility features every day. There are just too >> many problems that impact daily use. >> >> For instance, TalkBack becomes extremely laggy when typing. Text editing >> with TalkBack really, really sucks. It's nowhere near as good as iOS. On >> iOS, you have multiple reliable typing methods: standard typing where you >> find the character and double-tap, direct touch where lifting your finger >> enters the character, and “tap-tap” input for users familiar with key >> positioning. There’s also Braille screen input and built-in dictation. All >> of this makes text entry on iOS much smoother. >> >> Action implementation is also far better on iOS. Navigating and >> interacting with elements feels more intuitive and consistent. Even the >> selection mode on TalkBack only works within edit fields—it does not work >> globally like iOS text selection, which is far more powerful and flexible. >> >> If you use a Braille display, Android will disappoint you. Braille >> support on iOS is simply miles ahead. Day-to-day, iOS clearly remains the >> best platform in terms of accessibility. >> >> In the past, Android had an edge due to the variety of text-to-speech >> engines, especially the beloved Eloquence voice. But now that Eloquence is >> practically dead on Android, we’re left with limited and often subpar TTS >> options. The experience feels sluggish and incomplete. >> >> Even basic tasks like writing an email in the official Gmail app are >> frustrating. With TalkBack, focus jumps unpredictably, making editing a >> chore. You end up searching for workarounds just to get through what iOS >> handles effortlessly. >> >> Yes, iPhones are expensive, but the accessibility on iOS is deeply >> integrated and refined. Android is only good if you’re willing to >> experiment and waste time. Even if you buy a flagship Pixel or Samsung >> device, the experience is often no better than using a ₹10,000 Android >> phone. >> >> With the release of the Commentary Screen Reader, some issues have been >> minimized, but not enough to match the experience VoiceOver provides on >> iOS. All in all, iOS still remains the best platform when it comes to >> accessibility. >> >> >> >> Sent from my Google pixel >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2025, 20:34 Mujtaba Merchant <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Ajay, >> >> >> >> I understand your perspective, but for me, an iPhone isn't just a luxury >> – it's an accessibility necessity. The gestures and features are intuitive, >> and the security features provide peace of mind. While Android has made >> great strides in accessibility, my experience with iPhone has been >> seamless. That being said, I agree that affordability is a major concern, >> and discounts or subsidies would greatly benefit the blind community. Let's >> focus on making accessible technology more affordable and available to >> those who need it. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On >> Behalf Of *Ajay Minocha >> *Sent:* 21 June 2025 12:09 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Request for Lobbying Disability Discounts on >> Smartphones for the Blind Community >> >> >> >> Agreed, with an accessible android phone costing around 10k these days, >> Iphone is nothing but a luxury. Our focus has to be on expanding the reach >> of government schemes to genuine beneficiaries coupled with Student / other >> focus group discounts and easy EMIs. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ajay >> >> >> >> On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 at 09:03, Srinivasu Chakravarthula < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> I would rather prefer we lobby to make affordable phones made accessible. >> Android has evolved greatly. It’s app developers who need to ensure their >> apps are accessible. I’m told that Android has a mechanism to send an >> accessibility report when an app is published on play store b >> >> >> >> That said Government’s ADIP scheme includes smart phones and laptops. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> —Srinivasu >> >> >> >> Sent from Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> >> on behalf of Mujtaba Merchant <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2025 10:30:05 PM >> *To:* AccessIndia Google Group <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* [AI] Request for Lobbying Disability Discounts on Smartphones >> for the Blind Community >> >> >> >> I am reaching out to discuss a pressing concern for the blind community >> in India. As you may be aware, smartphones like iPhones have become >> essential tools for independent living, enabling access to information, >> communication, and various assistive technologies. >> >> >> >> However, the high cost of these devices poses a significant barrier for >> many individuals in the blind community. Given the challenges in gaining >> employment and financial constraints, it becomes increasingly difficult for >> them to afford these technologies. >> >> >> >> In light of this, I was wondering if we could lobby for disability >> discounts on smartphones and related devices. This would greatly enhance >> the accessibility and affordability of these life-changing technologies for >> the blind community. >> >> >> >> I believe it would be beneficial to bring this issue to the attention of >> the Indian government and explore possible solutions. By working together, >> we can make a meaningful difference in the lives of individuals who rely on >> these technologies for independence and empowerment. >> >> >> >> Thank you for considering this request. I look forward to hearing your >> thoughts on this matter. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> >> *Mujtaba Merchant* >> >> Bangalore | INDIA >> >> Sent from my iPhone ® >> *Help support my causes:* NVDA >> <https://www.nvaccess.org/support-us/#donation-support> | Billion Strong >> <https://www.billion-strong.org/donate-today/> | EyeWay >> <http://eyeway.org.in/?q=donate-0> >> >> >> >> -- >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. 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