I am really happy that we could clarify this, sincere apologies for misunderstanding a light hearted comment! šCheers Ajay
Ajay Minocha Mobile: +91-9584076767 Email: [email protected] [email protected]. <[email protected]>in On Fri, 27 Jun 2025, 08:00 Mujtaba Merchant, <[email protected]> wrote: > Iām sorry, I think you misunderstood, my humour. I was talking about > myself, not anybody on this list. šš» > > Sincerely, > > > > *Mujtaba Merchant* > > Bangalore | INDIA > > Sent from my iPhone Ā® > *Help support my causes:* NVDA > <https://www.nvaccess.org/support-us/#donation-support> | Billion Strong > <https://www.billion-strong.org/donate-today/> | EyeWay > <http://eyeway.org.in/?q=donate-0> > > > On Jun 27, 2025, at 12:00āÆAM, Ajay Minocha <[email protected]> wrote: > > ļ»æ > That being a proud Android user does not make me aur anyone else poor, > spending wisely is again situational.Ajay Minocha > Mobile: +91-9584076767 > Email: [email protected] > [email protected]. <[email protected]>in > > On Thu, 26 Jun 2025, 22:15 Mujtaba Merchant, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hey, what does your below mail mean? What are you trying to say? >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> >> *Mujtaba Merchant* >> >> Bangalore | INDIA >> >> Sent from my iPhone Ā® >> *Help support my causes:* NVDA >> <https://www.nvaccess.org/support-us/#donation-support> | Billion Strong >> <https://www.billion-strong.org/donate-today/> | EyeWay >> <http://eyeway.org.in/?q=donate-0> >> >> >> On Jun 26, 2025, at 8:01āÆPM, Ajay Minocha <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ļ»æ >> Well - I never wanted a debate in the first place but it's concerning >> when personal preferences become a subject of mudd shedding. >> I hope the moderator has a fair look at this message. >> >> Cheers, >> Ajay >> >> >> On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 at 15:11, Mujtaba Merchant <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for sharing your detailed experience with iOS and Android >>> accessibility features. I completely agree that iOS has a more seamless and >>> refined experience, especially with VoiceOver. For me, it's not about >>> luxury, but about the return on investment (ROI) - and in this case, the >>> ROI is 100%! I've had to save up for 2-3 years to get an iPhone, and even >>> then, it's not the latest model. But for someone like me who relies on >>> accessibility features, it's worth the wait. Guess some of us are just poor >>> like that, and we need to prioritize our spending! š Thanks again for >>> your insights! >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On >>> Behalf Of *sagar Verma >>> *Sent:* 21 June 2025 09:18 PM >>> *To:* AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled. <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Request for Lobbying Disability Discounts on >>> Smartphones for the Blind Community >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Honestly, the issues on Android are serious deal breakersāespecially for >>> someone who relies on accessibility features every day. There are just too >>> many problems that impact daily use. >>> >>> For instance, TalkBack becomes extremely laggy when typing. Text editing >>> with TalkBack really, really sucks. It's nowhere near as good as iOS. On >>> iOS, you have multiple reliable typing methods: standard typing where you >>> find the character and double-tap, direct touch where lifting your finger >>> enters the character, and ātap-tapā input for users familiar with key >>> positioning. Thereās also Braille screen input and built-in dictation. All >>> of this makes text entry on iOS much smoother. >>> >>> Action implementation is also far better on iOS. Navigating and >>> interacting with elements feels more intuitive and consistent. Even the >>> selection mode on TalkBack only works within edit fieldsāit does not work >>> globally like iOS text selection, which is far more powerful and flexible. >>> >>> If you use a Braille display, Android will disappoint you. Braille >>> support on iOS is simply miles ahead. Day-to-day, iOS clearly remains the >>> best platform in terms of accessibility. >>> >>> In the past, Android had an edge due to the variety of text-to-speech >>> engines, especially the beloved Eloquence voice. But now that Eloquence is >>> practically dead on Android, weāre left with limited and often subpar TTS >>> options. The experience feels sluggish and incomplete. >>> >>> Even basic tasks like writing an email in the official Gmail app are >>> frustrating. With TalkBack, focus jumps unpredictably, making editing a >>> chore. You end up searching for workarounds just to get through what iOS >>> handles effortlessly. >>> >>> Yes, iPhones are expensive, but the accessibility on iOS is deeply >>> integrated and refined. Android is only good if youāre willing to >>> experiment and waste time. Even if you buy a flagship Pixel or Samsung >>> device, the experience is often no better than using a ā¹10,000 Android >>> phone. >>> >>> With the release of the Commentary Screen Reader, some issues have been >>> minimized, but not enough to match the experience VoiceOver provides on >>> iOS. All in all, iOS still remains the best platform when it comes to >>> accessibility. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Google pixel >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2025, 20:34 Mujtaba Merchant <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ajay, >>> >>> >>> >>> I understand your perspective, but for me, an iPhone isn't just a luxury >>> ā it's an accessibility necessity. The gestures and features are intuitive, >>> and the security features provide peace of mind. While Android has made >>> great strides in accessibility, my experience with iPhone has been >>> seamless. That being said, I agree that affordability is a major concern, >>> and discounts or subsidies would greatly benefit the blind community. Let's >>> focus on making accessible technology more affordable and available to >>> those who need it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On >>> Behalf Of *Ajay Minocha >>> *Sent:* 21 June 2025 12:09 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Request for Lobbying Disability Discounts on >>> Smartphones for the Blind Community >>> >>> >>> >>> Agreed, with an accessible android phone costing around 10k these days, >>> Iphone is nothing but a luxury. Our focus has to be on expanding the reach >>> of government schemes to genuine beneficiaries coupled with Student / other >>> focus group discounts and easy EMIs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ajay >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 at 09:03, Srinivasu Chakravarthula < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I would rather prefer we lobby to make affordable phones made >>> accessible. Android has evolved greatly. Itās app developers who need to >>> ensure their apps are accessible. Iām told that Android has a mechanism to >>> send an accessibility report when an app is published on play store b >>> >>> >>> >>> That said Governmentās ADIP scheme includes smart phones and laptops. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> āSrinivasu >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> on behalf of Mujtaba Merchant <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2025 10:30:05 PM >>> *To:* AccessIndia Google Group <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* [AI] Request for Lobbying Disability Discounts on >>> Smartphones for the Blind Community >>> >>> >>> >>> I am reaching out to discuss a pressing concern for the blind community >>> in India. As you may be aware, smartphones like iPhones have become >>> essential tools for independent living, enabling access to information, >>> communication, and various assistive technologies. >>> >>> >>> >>> However, the high cost of these devices poses a significant barrier for >>> many individuals in the blind community. Given the challenges in gaining >>> employment and financial constraints, it becomes increasingly difficult for >>> them to afford these technologies. >>> >>> >>> >>> In light of this, I was wondering if we could lobby for disability >>> discounts on smartphones and related devices. This would greatly enhance >>> the accessibility and affordability of these life-changing technologies for >>> the blind community. >>> >>> >>> >>> I believe it would be beneficial to bring this issue to the attention of >>> the Indian government and explore possible solutions. By working together, >>> we can make a meaningful difference in the lives of individuals who rely on >>> these technologies for independence and empowerment. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you for considering this request. I look forward to hearing your >>> thoughts on this matter. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> >>> >>> *Mujtaba Merchant* >>> >>> Bangalore | INDIA >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone Ā® >>> *Help support my causes:* NVDA >>> <https://www.nvaccess.org/support-us/#donation-support> | Billion Strong >>> <https://www.billion-strong.org/donate-today/> | EyeWay >>> <http://eyeway.org.in/?q=donate-0> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Disclaimer: >>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >>> the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >>> >>> 2. 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