Dear Subramini, I share your concerns for we have seen how bureaucracy and society in general implement policies and reacts to new technology. A simple example is ban on smoking in public in Delhi. Despite a blanket ban, people still smoke in public, perhaps because no one raises a voice or even reacts to it.
Need is to raise a voice and mark your protest. I don't say go and fight but just register your protest. The ground is made. In this case also the disability advocates need to consistently try, push & raise voice. Though it is difficult to change the age-old mindsets in a short span of time, but we will see many small small accomplishments in near future. The present is far better than the past which itself indicates that small initiatives have worked. Lets join to fight the injustice! regards 2009/11/3 Subramani L <[email protected]> > But Vhashisht, the question about our system is not how good is the > technology, but how effectively we use them and how commonsensical is > our policy and our bureaucracy. There will be little surprise if our > authorities fail to understand the prupose of something like NUIC. > > Subramani > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SC > Vashishth > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Demands & Strategies put forth at the > NationalConsultationon Issues related to Railways > > Dear *Vamshi,* Great to know your experience but often they insist an > escort > with those with physical disabilities using crutches, wheelchairs and > other > assistive devices for mobility. I have seen few instances where they > insist > an escort even for a blind passenger. > > *Amar,* the right way is to have a uniform disability certificate with > necessary imprints on it with electronic data chip on the lines of > Credit/Debit Card/Vehicle RC. Mr. Nandan Nilekani is working on the NUID > (national unique identity card) project which will solve these problems > to > great extent. This card will have all details in electronic form about > the > identityy of the person and his entitlements. > > *Mukesh*, there have been several instances of misuse which needs to be > checked by authorities. I am not justifying their ill actions and I > agree > that there is an urgent need to sensitize the public dealing/clerical > staff > of railway booking counters on Disability Etiquette. Yes, I agree that > 3% > quota of the total train space should be pushed for so that it becomes > easy > for the disabled and the elderly to travel with ease and comfort. That > is > why a full 72 seater reserved coach and one unreserved general class > coach > for the disabled has been demanded. > > *Surya Prakash*, Railways are trying hard to compensate for losses that > they > incur on free ships hence, they are not keen on adding the passengers > with > Low Vision, but the fight should be on. There is lot of pilferage and if > this could be plugged, Low vision passengers could be easily > accommodated in > the quota. > > *Ashwani,* thanks for raising a very relevant point of concessions in > Rajdhani, Shatabdi and Jan Shatabdi etc. This demand is being pushed for > a > long time with no success. Lower berth can be allotted if available as > that > is given on first come first serve basis. > > *Rakesh,* there have been instances of misuse and fake certificates. So > railways want to cross-check the veracity of DC (Disability Certificate) > by > a CC (Concession Certificate) ! May be this can be done away with once > we > have the electronic ID Card in place. > > regards, > > 2009/11/3 SC Vashishth <[email protected]> > > > No Rajesh, converting four general berth of Boggies for disabled in to > a > > Reserved Disabled Quota was debated strongly that is why you see the > the > > first two demands originating from that very issue. that is Increase > the > > number of Reserved compartments to at least one reserved (72 seater) > and one > > unreserved coach, secondly that they should not take away the existing > > benefits. > > > > The idea of having the boggies in the front or the rear was to ensure > that > > people, hawkers should not disturb them in the through and through > connected > > boggies. Secondly railways thought that it would be easy to assist > them by > > the train Guard/Security if it is close to engine or at the rear near > parcel > > van where generally the RPF constables are on deployed. > > > > However, keeping the boggie in the middle of the train will have its > own > > problems. Firstly, deploying police force may not be feasible as per > > railway. Secondly not many people follow the rules strictly during the > day > > and most of the coaches immediately in the centre get filled up with > > unwanted crowd who are often short distance travellers and never > reserve > > their seats. Even if it is a reserved compartment, people least bother > > except in some trains in south India!! > > > > regards > > > > > > > > 2009/11/3 Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> > > > > Well, handicapped coach is in front or back because the same wrack > plies > >> back and forth without turning. > >> It would be wise to position it almost in middle and interconnecting > it > >> with rest of the train. > >> Surprisingly, demands and strategies discussed at Chennai do > not > >> mentionethe mess created by railways by converting four berths of > >> handicapped coach into HP quota and making the coach > reserved-cum-general... > >> > >> > >> Rajesh Asudani > >> > >> Assistant General Manager, > >> Reserve Bank of India > >> Nagpur > >> 09420397185 > >> O: 0712 2806676 > >> Res: 0712 2591349 > >> Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?" > >> John Milton > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] [mailto: > >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Amar Jain > >> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:22 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Demands & Strategies put forth at the > >> NationalConsultation on Issues related to Railways > >> > >> Respected Sir, > >> > >> Would like to say following: > >> > >> 1. Uniformity in concession format. > >> Many a times I myself have faced the problem of difference in > concession > >> format, say if you make concession in Rajasthan, they generally do > not put > >> round seal. Further, their language is Hindi. > >> Specifically I face problem on chennai station. They never hear. > Everytime > >> I have to contact supervisor. > >> > >> 2. Since we are demanding online concession, they may raise the > problem > >> that many a times concessions are not maid in propper format, or > sometimes > >> some information is missing from the concession certificate. > >> There are various options to deal with such problem, the one which is > >> coming in my mind right now is to register your concession > certificate once > >> and then they can keep that number in their database. So when it is > verified > >> by railway, no problems in using online booking. Such thing can be > enshrined > >> in the concession certificate form itself. > >> > >> 3. this point has to do with implimentation, at every station we hear > the > >> coatch position. But I have never heard that where handicap coatch is > >> coming. So announcers must announce the same. > >> And there should be fixed place for handicap coatch because sometimes > they > >> keep it in front and sometimes in back side. > >> > >> 4. couple of times I have seen railways authorities misusing handicap > >> coatch. and when we tell them anything, they talk like railway is of > their > >> fourfathers. > >> So for various problems, need to have grievence redressal body. > >> Regards > >> Amar Jain. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Vamshi. G" <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:04 PM > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Demands & Strategies put forth at the > >> NationalConsultation on Issues related to Railways > >> > >> > >> Dear Vasisht sir, > >> > >> > 5. Provide concession to the disabled person without an escort > >> > >> I availed this facility several times. But yes, I have heard of > >> incidents where some of us were deprived of the same. So, I think > >> this is concerned more with the implementation than the legislation. > >> > >> -- > >> G. Vamshi > >> PH Res : +91 877-2243861 > >> Mobile: +91 9949349497 > >> E-mail ID: > >> [email protected] > >> Skype: gvamshi81 > >> > >> God helps those who help themselves > >> > >> > >> > >> On 10/30/09, SC Vashishth <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Dear Prashant and friends, > >> > The following was the Draft of the Demands & Strategies finalised > at the > >> > National Consultation held in Chennai last month on the issues with > >> Railways > >> > concerning disabilty Sector. > >> > > >> > *Demands* > >> > ** > >> > 1. Increase the number of Reserved compartments to at least 1 > >> reserved > >> > (72 seater) and 1 unreserved coaches > >> > 2. They should not take away the existing benefits > >> > 3. Budgetary allocations should be made. > >> > 4. Make concessions mandatory for e-ticket booking also. > >> > 5. Provide concession to the disabled person without an escort > >> > 6. Ramps at all stations > >> > 7. Accessible toilets in Trains and Railway stations > >> > 8. Make e booking more accessible for the disabled people > >> > 9. Need to have a Disability enquiry booth > >> > 10. Make sign language information possible for the hearing > impaired > >> > on display screens > >> > 11. The Disabled coach needs to be nearer to the platform entry > >> > 12. Separate Rest room with accessible toilet and medical > facilities > >> > 13. Consult the stake holders before the budget session > >> > 14. Ensure safety of women with disability > >> > 15. Formulate a committee consisting of stake holders to review > and > >> > implement the universal design model. > >> > > >> > *Strategies* > >> > > >> > 1. Focus on trains and stations at rural areas as much as the > urban > >> > railway network > >> > 2. Involve political participation from state level by > approaching > >> > chief ministers of the states / state MPs of both ruling and > opposition > >> > parties > >> > 3. Take the agenda to the central minister for Railways > >> > 4. To conduct sensitization programs for railway staff > >> > 5. To conduct awareness camps for political representatives > >> > 6. To take to streets if the demand is not implemented by the > >> Railways > >> > 7. Implementation of Specific designs for toilets > >> > 8. To ensure that representatives from the sector are elected > to > >> the > >> > legislative bodies at various levels. > >> > 9. Focus on larger issue of the universal accessibility rather > than > >> > limited accessibility > >> > 10. Audio signal in the trains and stations > >> > 11. Reconsider the renewal system of concession forms > >> > 12. Formulate Support services to be included from the entry > into > >> the > >> > station like electrical car , facility counter, etc. > >> > 13. National ID card to be considered as enough valid document > for > >> > Railway or other concessions. > >> > 14. 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