You seem to be arguing whether a CNet reference is more reliable than a wikipedia reference. That was not the point I was making in my last message. I'll rephrase the point for your benefit:
1. When you copy-paste material from the Web in your mails to the list, try to include the source where you copied the material from (regardless of whether it is from CNet or wikipedia). This will allow people to not just judge the material's reliability but also explore it in more detail on their own. 2. While copy-pasting the IPhone review from CNet, you have not only not provided the original source but have gone ahead and replaced references to the "London tube" with "Delhi metro" and "we" to "I" to make it look as if this was your own personal experience (which it clearly is not). The CNet review article is not written by a VI person while you made it sound as the first hand experience of a VI person -- doesn't that sound like an important distinction? Regards, Manish -----Original Message----- From: KARAN GUPTA [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:19 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible gps comparison To cut it short - cnet in any country works closely with Reuters, standard & poors and top university professors etc. I know it because they're my colleauges and we never post anything right from one or two sources. Our process is intense to read hundreds of journals first, for example, jstore.com - before coming to unanimous conclusion and our write-ups. I never meant, who's right, who's wrong or blame-game. It's just all about spreading right information for the right people and for the right reason. I still strongly believe, I wish, should I get influence from one or two sources so easily, I'd have stopped going to libraries, consulting top facilitators etc. Moreover, please match Harvard or MLA referencing system with Wiki because I can send you the list of CNET (UK/US) bibliography database, if you want to. Everyone has got different writing style. My colleagues from cnet are the people who met the innovators themselves at MWC 2010 at Barcelona and CES 2010 Los Angles. It is as simple as that, it's wasn't about you mate, it was all about the reliable source you refer to, so we all can put our faith in that piece of information. I don't know, how serious you are about the quality and an organized content. Lastly, I had a positive argument about one topic from wiki because I have all the recorded video podcasts of Steve Jobs and lary page only from cnet, where they clearly explained the developments of gps-thingy in the last two years. On 27 Feb 2010, at 11:38 AM, "Manish Agrawal" <[email protected]> wrote: > Similar to my earlier comment on pointing people to the source of > where you > are quoting from, most of the text below seems to have come from the > cnet > review at: > http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39030106,49302553-2,00.htm > > Even if it was you who wrote the original review (which in this case > is not > the case), it will be useful if you point people to the whole thing > to help > them learn on their own. > > > -Manish > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of KARAN > GUPTA > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible gps comparison > > Firstly, it's Karan not Karen. Please do refer the archive of iPhone > 3GS > where I mentioned about its accessibility options. In short, it > comes with > built-in voice-over synthesizer exacltly like Mac and a built-in > magnifier > and a add-on app for shake dialing. I won't recommend its voice over > though > entirely based on its touch screen because there are always a loads of > confusion and trouble to access it accurately and speedly for my > totally VI > friends unlike the other traditional phones, which gives you tactile > feedback. Having said that, its magnification technology is really > state of > the art. Infact, once you use it - you get addicted of it somewhat > like > zoomtext and even better than 'magic' on PC but all this features > are really > very handy for low vision or partially-blind. About its performance: > Among > the 3G S' new features, the unsung heroes have to be the improved > performance and battery life. Well, the improved performance is > somewhat > sung, since the 'S' in the phone's name stands for 'speed'. Although > it's > not as glamorous as cut-and-paste capability -- I never thought I'd be > writing that -- it improves the experience of using a phone that > already > feels top of its class for responsiveness. The 3GS also supports voice > control, which suits me, since I like to yell to myself on the Delhi- > Metro > to frighten off muggers. lol. It's activated by holding down the > home button > or pressing the button on the included headphones. You can use it to > control > the iPod functionality, as well for making calls. I was happy to see > that it > supports UK/US English, so I didn't have to put on a Cupertino > accent to > make myself understood. It had no trouble recognising who I wanted > to phone > or what band I wanted to play, and it prompted me pleasantly when > there were > several phone numbers on offer. Not a day goes by when I don't use > in-built > GPS system, which is overall alright. I can track all that running > with the > built-in GPS, and there's a compass to point me where I want to go > in Google > Maps. It's also great for finding the correct exit from the London > Tube or > Delhi Metro, but it isn't used in Google Street View in the very > cool way > I've seen on the HTC Magic. I'm looking forward to what developers > will do > with the compass app in the future. The landscape keyboard makes its > way > into the messaging apps and Web browser in OS 3.0, which is great for > sausage-fingered typists, and could help if this is your first > touchscreen > keyboard. I've always been big fans of the iPhone's keyboard, > whether in > portrait or landscape orientation, because of its great predictive > text. > It's even better than a full netbook keyboard for typing in the > passenger > seat of my coach everytime I go out of town. OS 3.0 also includes > MMS, so > you can send images, video, audio and contacts in text messages. It > works > painlessly, but only images can be put in directly to a text. You > can also > send links to locations from Google Maps, which is my favourite use > of MMS. > > For such a great entertainment phone with access to the iTunes > store, I used > to be frustrated that I couldn't grab TV shows and movies as easily as > music. Thankfully, Apple's now remedied that, although I'm still > annoyed > that we can't stream to podcasts. Damn the data costs. > > Cheers > - KG > > > > On 21 February 2010 19:17, <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Send AccessIndia mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of AccessIndia digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: accessible gps comparison (Pranav Lal) >> 2. Re: off topic-inspiring. (Geetha Shamanna) >> 3. suggestions needed for buying a new Laptop..... (Amit Bhatt) >> 4. Re: accessible gps comparison (Subramani L) >> 5. Re: Artificial Retina Enables Blind To See Again (Subramani L) >> 6. Re: About trimming in gold wave! (Subramani L) >> 7. FW: IIT Madras & Polaris Software jointly LAUNCH Intellect >> Privacy Card - Monday, 22nd Feb - 11: a.m IIT, Madras >> (Subramani L) >> 8. Super Nova, an another screen reading software with >> magnifier! (Swati Sinha) >> 9. Re: off topic-inspiring. (KARAN GUPTA) >> 10. Re: Super Nova, an another screen reading software with >> magnifier! (padmanabham) >> >> >> --- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:25:01 +0530 >> From: "Pranav Lal" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> <snip nokia has freed its map and it works good. the only this is >> that it >> has to be made accessible. >> PL] Which is the problem. I am told that The Nokia maps application >> requires >> significant redesign before it can work accessibly. >> >> Pranav >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:55:31 -0000 >> From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [AI] off topic-inspiring. >> Message-ID: <aa554c07d8b34935bc0c5e010177f...@sys> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> Hi Vamshi, >> >> I remember reading a piece about this auto driver on Rediff >> sometime ago. >> This article provided his mobile number along with the number of >> his auto. >> Here it is: >> Sandeep Bacche >> MH-02-Z-8508 >> 9022416338. >> >> Please pass it on to your contact in Bangalore. He deserves all the >> coverage >> he can get. >> Geetha >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Vamshi. G" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 10:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] off topic-inspiring. >> >> >> Hi >> >> I had posted this on Access India before and this is not an off topic >> post. There is lot to learn for our governments from the auto driver >> who does the following >> 25 per >>> cent discount on metered fare for the handicapped. >>> Free rides for blind passengers up to Rs. 50. >> >> And seeing my post on the list in google search, one Mr. Ravindra Rao >> has called me from Banglore asking for the contact details of that >> auto driver as he wanted to write about him in an international >> magazine. Unfortunately, I didn't get that. >> >> So, if anyone of you, especially from Mumbai, knows about him or >> comes >> across him, provide me with his contact details. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> G. Vamshi >> PH Res : +91 877-2243861 >> Mobile: +91 9949349497 >> E-mail ID: >> [email protected] >> Skype: gvamshi81 >> >> God helps those who help themselves >> >> >> >> On 2/21/10, Manish Agarwal <[email protected]> wrote: >>> hello, >>> Good man in Mumbai, India. >>> >>> Exact Narration by an auto-rickshaw passenger, >>> >>> Suvendu Roy of Titan Industries, who shares his inspirational >>> encounter with a rickshaw driver in Mumbai: >>> >>> One Sunday, my wife, kid, and I had to travel to Andheri from >>> Bandra. >>> When I waved at a passing auto rickshaw, little did I expect that >>> this >>> ride would be any different... >>> As we set off, my eyes fell on a few magazines (kept in an aircraft >>> style pouch) behind the driver's back rest. >>> >>> I looked in front and there was a small TV. The driver had put on >>> the >>> Doordarshan channel. >>> >>> My wife and I looked at each other with disbelief and amusement. In >>> front of me was a small first-aid box with cotton, dettol and some >>> medicines. >>> This was enough for me to realize that I was in a special vehicle. >>> Then I looked round again, and discovered more - there was a radio, >>> fire extinguisher, wall clock, calendar, and pictures and symbols of >>> all faiths >>> - from Islam and Christianity to Buddhism, Hinduism and Sikhism. >>> There were also pictures of the heroes of 26/11- Kamte, Salaskar, >>> Karkare and Unnikrishnan. >>> I realized that not only my vehicle, but also my driver was special. >>> >>> I started chatting with him and the initial sense of ridicule and >>> disbelief gradually diminished. >>> I gathered that he had been driving an auto rickshaw for the past >>> 8-9 >>> years; he had lost his job when his employer's plastic company was >>> shut down. >>> He had two school-going children, and he drove from 8 in the morning >>> till 10 at night. >>> No break unless he was unwell. "Sahab, ghar mein baith ke T.V dekh >>> kar >>> kya faida? Do paisa income karega toh future mein kaam aayega." >>> >>> We realized that we had come across a man who represents Mumbai ? >>> the >>> spirit of work, the spirit of travel and the spirit of excelling in >>> life. >>> I asked him whether he does anything else as I figured that he did >>> not >>> have too much spare time. >>> He said that he goes to an old age home for women in Andheri once a >>> week or whenever he has some extra income, where he donates tooth >>> brushes, toothpastes, >>> soap, hair oil, and other items of daily use. >>> He pointed out to a painted message below the meter that read: "25 >>> per >>> cent discount on metered fare for the handicapped. >>> Free rides for blind passengers up to Rs. 50. >>> >>> My wife and I were struck with awe. The man was a HERO! >>> >>> A hero who deserves all our respect!!! >>> >>> Our journey came to an end; >>> >>> 45 minutes of a lesson in humility, selflessness, and of a >>> hero-worshipping Mumbai, my temporary home. >>> >>> We disembarked, and all I could do was >>> to pay him a tip that would hardly cover a >>> free ride for a blind man. >>> >>> I hope, one day, you too have a chance to meet Mr Sandeep Bachhe in >>> his auto rickshaw: MH-02-Z-8508. >>> >>> My religion is a matter between me and my maker : Gandhiji >>> >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to [email protected] >>> with >>> the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>> changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> >>> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to > [email protected] >> the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:55:40 +0530 >> From: "Amit Bhatt" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [AI] suggestions needed for buying a new Laptop..... >> Message-ID: <005301cab2e8$9b9cecf0$0201a...@amit268711bbbd> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Dear friends, >> >> I am looking to buy a new Laptop for my personal use. >> There are two models in my mind: Compaq Presario CQ41 216TU with the >> configuration of Core I3 Mobile Processor, 2.13 gh , 4 GB of DDR3 >> Ram, 320 >> GB Harddisk and another one is Dell new Inspiron 1464 with Core >> I3, speed >> 2.13, 2 GB DDR3 Ram, 250 GB Harddis, Windows 7 basic home premium. >> Compaq has no OS installed whereas the Dell is giving me the >> Windows 7. > The >> price for Compaq Presario is Rs. 33000 and Dell is costing me around > 31000. >> Another good thing I found in the Warranty system of Dell that the >> Machine >> has all complete cover onside warranty where as the Compaq doesn't > include >> any such complete cover, onside or replacement provision. Compaq >> seems > good >> with it's configuration of Ram and Hard drive but the Dell is found >> very >> good in the support and warranty. >> Apart from user friendly Keypad, I will require good sound in the >> Machine. >> >> Any suggestion or opinion of the members would be highly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Amit Bhatt, +91 9560175887 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:58:54 +0530 >> From: "Subramani L" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison >> Message-ID: >> < >> fda23f70e778f94293c28128b654e11c01e82...@dhtpmlmail.deccanherald.co.in >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hai Karen: >> >> Pl give me a short review on iPhone 3GS in terms of its performance >> and >> accessibility. >> >> Subramani >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of KARAN >> GUPTA >> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:48 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AI] accessible gps comparison >> >> Hiya >> I also use google maps, which is built-in my iPhone 3GS and it works >> very accurately with turn by turn directions. However, As I said in >> my >> earlier post that accuracy and functionality would stll remain a >> problem for some time in India, unless companies don't come out with >> detailed maps. For example, google's street view. No matter, how >> accurate or good your GPS systems are but I strongly do believe there >> are still so many details are missing as it should be there on maps. >> Also the updation process of maps in any GPS system is quite slow. >> I'd >> always expect more and more details in any GPS system with better >> accuracy and updation process so that a larger chunk of VH population >> can take full advantage of this and won't hesitate to be dependant on >> it to a certain extent. Exactly like JAWS, I wish GPS would work the >> same way for VH sooner or later but I really don't think so that any >> GPS is that reliable for VH because of the lack of details. >> Cheers >> -KG >> >> >> >> On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:08 AM, [email protected] >> wrote: >> >>> accessible gps comparison >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [email protected] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >> n >> >> Email secured by TPML Electronics >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:14:44 +0530 >> From: "Subramani L" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Artificial Retina Enables Blind To See Again >> Message-ID: >> < >> fda23f70e778f94293c28128b654e11c01e82...@dhtpmlmail.deccanherald.co.in >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Dr. Rajat Agrawal, Founder Trustee of Retina India, works for >> Dohini Eye >> Institute. >> >> Subramani >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of shahnaz >> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 7:47 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [AI] Artificial Retina Enables Blind To See Again >> >> >> The U.S. Department of Energy has awarded major responsibility for >> the >> development of a third-generation retina pr To unsubscribe send a message to [email protected] with the subject unsubscribe. 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