On 6/21/10, Srinivasu Chakravarthula <[email protected]> wrote: > Reem, > I do agree with you, most of the material is not available in Braille, but > my suggestion of using Braille is just to put efforts to learn spellings. > For that matter, reading any literature may be helpful. > > On a separate note, please write your reply on the top of the thread, so > that it's available easily to recipients. One possibly tip perhaps would > help you is, when you reach message body - may it be on web mail interface > or Microsoft Outlook or outlook express, Press Insert + Home to place cursor > and then type your reply. Once you are done writing, press Enter twice so > that your reply will get separated from the rest of the thread. Having said > that, as far as my experience goes, Microsoft Outlook place the cursor on > the top of the thread when you choose to reply / forward. > Thanks, > > Regards, > Srinivasu Chakravarthula > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of reem s > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Care for spellings in postings - a request > > On 6/21/10, Srinivasu Chakravarthula <[email protected]> wrote: >> Reem, >> >> This is why we highly recommend people to use Braille in school and if > they >> are not schooled in English medium, at least one needs to have habit of >> reading English books in Braille thus to improve spellings. >> >> As far as I know, if someone who is visually impaired and wants to learn >> spellings, perhaps, Braille would only possible solution. >> >> Folks, correct me, if I am wrong. >> >> Regards, >> Srinivasu Chakravarthula >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of reem s >> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:42 PM >> To: accessindia >> Subject: Re: [AI] Care for spellings in postings - a request >> >> On 6/21/10, Subramani L <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I gave the example of the American author's awful article to precisely >>> refute that notion. I am not an English speaker by birth and I have >>> learnt my English in the last 18 years (after I crossed my adolescence, >>> and ironically, after becoming blind). Even today, I don't speak English >>> at home. Well, had I not told you this, would you have recognised >>> yourself by reading my mails? Expressing your ideas clearly goes beyond >>> the confines of language. >>> >>> Subramani >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BHAWANI >>> SHANKAR VERMA >>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 6:00 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Care for spellings in postings - a request >>> >>> i am of the experience that a person study in his mother language, more >>> efficiently use English. because he always care about spellings and >>> grammar >>> errors. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Subramani L" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Care for spellings in postings - a request >>> >>> >>>> The criteria is not if one has studied in English medium or have >>> learnt >>>> English through and through at school. I have seen this in some blogs >>>> and other platforms where the so-called learned folks share >>> information. >>>> Even there, I found plenty of mistakes and very obvious grammatical >>>> errors. I wish I am able to share a few examples, because recently I >>>> read an article written by an "AUTHOR" (and, of all the things, she is >>>> an American) which was full of errors... so much that it was hard to >>>> believe that the person who actually wrote it was an author. Imagine >>>> someone who is making a living out of writing putting out messages >>> like >>>> that? >>>> >>>> The root cause of poorly written mails in my opinion is lack of care. >>>> People do not understand that their writing says something about them >>>> and it definitely has an impact on other people and they have a >>>> responsibility to write in an intelligible, clear way. I list the >>>> following points which people may like to take into account while >>>> writing: >>>> >>>> 1. Avoid SMS language. SMS language has had a negative influence on >>>> people, particularly on youngsters. Believe me, how much ever you try >>>> and simplify your writing in terms of shortening words and using >>>> alphanumeric, writing, as a process, is essentially different from >>>> speaking and you do not have the necessary expertise to use one for >>> the >>>> other. So when writing, whether through a mobile phone or >>>> twitter/facebook, treat it as a writing task. >>>> 2. Read sites like BBC, which uses simple sentences to convey the >>> news. >>>> If you read it for a long time, it has an influence on the way you >>>> write. If you need help in honing your language skills, you can switch >>>> to learning English or other specific sites in BBC, which provide both >>>> audio and text information for practice. >>>> 3. Never send a message without reading it at least once. I am having >>> a >>>> terrible time with the keyboard I am using to type this message (and >>> so >>>> many other things like filing my stories) since it doesn't type A with >>> a >>>> single touch. I have to hit the key several times to get it typed, but >>> I >>>> do it since I don't want my messages to appear bad (still you may find >>> a >>>> word or two with a missing A, but that is after I try my best). Take >>>> pride in the fact that you are amongst the privileged few in this >>>> country to use things like computers and emails to communicate and so >>>> have to show you actually do what it takes to use them. >>>> 4. Your writing is a part of your personality. You wouldn't like to >>>> attend a party wearing an awful dress, dirty and dishevelled. So why >>>> should you write badly and show that you are after all not someone who >>>> people like to meet in person? You indeed raise your stakes >>>> (expectations) higher if you write well. So put in that effort. If you >>>> think you can't, learn. >>>> >>>> Subramani >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of prateek >>>> aggarwal >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 10:14 PM >>>> To: accessindia >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Care for spellings in postings - a request >>>> >>>> Agreed. >>>> I too have observed a few mails with major errors in spellings. >>>> While we are using screen readers, we don't usually read the word >>>> letter by letter, hence our focus does not go to the spelling of a >>>> word. >>>> >>>> Yes, I fully understand that many of you folks haven't got chance of >>>> doing studies in English medium schools, and that's not at all a >>>> problem, neither that is any criteria of judging your capabilities. In >>>> fact, a lot of you folks are scholars and experts in your respective >>>> areas, and I'm proud for that. >>>> Sometimes, incorrect spellings or grammar makes your e-mail >>>> ineffective to an extent that the intended recipient does not notice >>>> it that warmly, hence you remain destitute from the right answer which >>>> you would have got if the spellings were all correct. >>>> Moreover, the fact described by vasu bro about the appearance of >>>> search results by search queries is also one of the major factors. >>>> Considering this, I request all the learned fellows without any >>>> preference of name that please try checking the spelling of the word >>>> you are writing here, it only takes a bit. >>>> In fact, a better approach is to write the e-mail in Microsoft word >>>> first, and run the spelling and grammar check. >>>> Of course, the spelling and grammar check is not the best solution and >>>> it won't point all the mistakes, neither the suggested things by it >>>> are all perfect, yet you can get an idea and decide what to correct. >>>> An other important thing that I'd like to suggest is to read whatever >>>> you have written with the help of your screen reader. >>>> Many times, your screen reader will pronounce a word in strange way if >>>> its spelling is not correct. >>>> This will let you know that there's some problem with the spelling of >>>> that respective word, which you can correct then. >>>> >>>> I have been thinking to write spellings of some of the most commonly >>>> used words so the chances of collision can be reduced down. >>>> >>>> Based on your suggestions, I may start a series somewhere either here >>>> or on my website about the spellings of some very commonly used words. >>>> >>>> Response awaited. >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> Prateek agarwal. >>>> Skype: >>>> Prateek_agarwal32 >>>> Wanna see inside me? My blog is the telescope: >>>> http://www.myfriendprateek.blogspot.com >>>> website: >>>> http://www.prateekagarwal.webs.com >>>> >>>> the best way to accomplish your softwares/websites development needs. >>>> You tell, I'll build. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Original message ---------- >>>> From: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:12:54 +0530 >>>> Subject: [AI] Care for spellings in postings - a request >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> Off late, there are several emails with lot of spelling and grammar >>>> mistakes. I do understand some of you may not got opportunity to study >>>> in >>>> English medium school and I'm one of them and that would be one of the >>>> possible reasons for spelling mistakes in emails and I don't mistake >>> any >>>> of >>>> you. >>>> >>>> At the same time, please understand that postings of Access India are >>>> archived and easily available for people to come across the content >>>> through >>>> search engines and useful information posted by you would not come up >>> in >>>> the >>>> search engines unless your content matches to the spelling that a >>>> researcher >>>> is looking for. So it would be a biggest disadvantage for us, if our >>>> content >>>> do not have correct spellings and grammar. >>>> >>>> To make your postings better, may I please suggest a couple of things, >>>> although I am aware, this would be a little more additional effort: >>>> >>>> 1. If you are using Microsoft Outlook / outlook express, be sure >>>> to do >>>> a spell check by pressing F7 (not sure for outlook express) >>>> >>>> 2. If you compose emails using webmail and use Mozilla Firefox, >>>> most >>>> often it notify you about spelling errors and by using the >>> applications >>>> key, >>>> you can access the suggestions and use the correct spelling. >>>> >>>> 3. This suggestion would really be an additional effort, but you >>>> can >>>> try; if you are using webmail, may be, draft your email using Word >>>> Processor >>>> and run the spell check, then copy the same and paste to your compose >>>> box in >>>> web mail. >>>> >>>> Hope this would be of help to someone. No offense please. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>> Hand phone: +91-990-081-0881 >>>> Website: >>>> http://www.srinivasu.org >>>> Yahoo! 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There are many visually impared people who are not trained in > Braille due to several reasons. My experience says, while we go for > continuous reading using the screne reader, if we feel like any doubt > regarding the spelling, just take effort to clarify it. i think, > rather than english medium, and regional medium; how much effort a > person takes matter. > regards Reem. > > Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with > disability bill at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm > > To unsubscribe send a message to [email protected] with > the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with > disability bill at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm > > To unsubscribe send a message to [email protected] with > the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > Thank you Srinivas for your advice regarding threads. i am doing what you have asked to do, hope it will work. Regarding Braille, hundred percent I support reading and writing in Braille. I am passionate about using Braille. Especially for someone who wants to do creative writing in regional language, Braille is the best medium, where possibilities of editing independently are open. but I was generally considering about the situation of the lack of required materials; and also those who are not taught the script. Regards reem.
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