Dear Mam, UGC net paper has also be included in the list, and it needs the special and seprat attention. more I'll write later.
On 9/2/10, Kartik Sawhney <[email protected]> wrote: > We are discussing about tactile formats. But, my question is: there > are certain figures involving very complecated stuff. And, one > shouldn't forget 3D diagrams. How can we attempt such questions or > represent them using tactile diagrams? I'll share my experiences in > the NTSE here. In the theory test, there were questions on non-verbal > reasoning as in count the No. of squares, complete the pattern, folded > paper and what not. Even if we understand the picture, it will be > difficult for a person who's never seen anything to visualise and > comprehend the figure properly. Writer's assistance will still be > required. Eventually, this is not the true ability and intellect of > the candidate which is being tested. The concept of tactile diagrams > work well only where the figures are easy to interpret. But, one > cannot be sure of the complexity in figures. So, according to me, the > best bet will be alternate theoretical questions, testing the same > concept in a different way. > > -Kartik > > On 9/3/10, Kanchan Pamnani <[email protected]> wrote: >> Rajesh, very complicated and too much emphasis on the candidate being able >> to prove and too many variables. anyway lets look at it in more details. >> The >> more complicated we make it the tougher it will be to live with later. >> Getting it passed is not the problem. Need to be practical. Kanchan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Examinations >> >> >>> 1. I said should not have appeared in the past, primarily to satisfy >>> paranoids. >>> However, it is better dropped. >>> Or at least, a reasonable time limit, say past three years, may be >>> prescribed. >>> However, it also will lay the onus of proving the non-appearance on the >>> candidate or scribe which is difficult. >>> 2. Upper age limit I mentioned to mean that scribe should not be >>> ineligible merely due to upper age limit for taking the exam. >>> So, this condition does not apply to exams where there is no age limit. >>> Hence, anybody, say who cannot appear for M.A. part 2 in English, >>> because >>> >>> she does not have M.A. part 1 pass certificate in English, will be able >>> to be a scribe. So will be anybody who has done PG in say, physics, or >>> PH.D. in anything but English, for that matter. >>> Upper age limit will come into play when, say, I take a scribe for SBI >>> exam where upper age limit is 28 years, and minimum qualification for >>> applying is graduation. So, a person who is 35, but who is a graduate >>> cannot be a scribe, for she could herself have taken the exam, but for >>> her being overage. Here, anybody who does not have a graduation degree >>> will be a scribe.... >>> >>> I know this condition will deviate a little from strictly having one year >>> junior scribe, but I propose it to be a short eligibility criteria for >>> all >>> >>> exams. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kanchan >>> Pamnani >>> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:13 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Examinations >>> >>> 1. How is it possible to prove that someone did not give the exam in the >>> past? If the writer is younger than the candidate it may be possible but >>> if >>> my mom wrote an exam eg. a exam for recruiting to SBI for you then how >>> will >>> you prove that she didnt sit for the same exam 30 years ago? >>> >>> 2 >>> . >>> Also there are many exams like M. A. which does not have an upper age >>> limit for the candidate so any person who is about 22 years or more even >>> 100 >>> will be eligible to give the exam. Can such a person be a writer? >>> >>> I dont know lets analyse these situations more in depth. I had started >>> drafting but I put it aside because I knew there were many complications. >>> I >>> have read Apoorva, Kartik,Rakesh and Vasu's views. Waiting for others. >>> This >>> affects each of us and at various times in our lives. >>> >>> I also understand that there is a feeling that there should be tactile >>> questions and that all visual questions should have alternatives. This is >>> a >>> great leap forward. However the young visually challenged have to be >>> taught >>> this from school. Are our organisations either special schools or >>> supplementary facilities ready for this? I can tell you that one of the >>> turning points in the latest physiotherapy case was when I handed over >>> tactile diagrams of the foot to the judges. how many organisations have >>> these machines, how many will do it on time, how many readily teach their >>> kids to read and understand these?Sorry for going off on a tangent. Lets >>> get >>> back to the real issue of the examinations. >>> Kanchan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Examinations >>> >>> >>>> May I add a proviso to the eligibility condition mentioned in my earlier >>>> mail to the effect that the scribe should not have appeared in the >>>> same >>>> exam at any past time, or could have appeared but for upper age limit. >>>> >>>> Simplified, the eligibility condition for the scribe should be: >>>> Anybody who has not appeared for and is not eligible to appear for >>>> exactly >>>> the same exam as she is acting as scribe at the time,, and such >>>> ineligibility should not be merely due to upper age limit for the exam. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pamnani >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:29 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [AI] Examinations >>>> >>>> Most of you know that I have been working on the guidelines for >>>> examinations especially the issue of scribes for some time. >>>> All of us have realised the need for standard guidelines in the country. >>>> After the maharashtra guidelines were issued many of you approached me >>>> and >>>> have been approaching me regularly for All India guidelines. Therefore >>>> it >>>> is time to act. >>>> >>>> I have based my work on the: >>>> 1. Guidelines in Maharashtra >>>> 2. Minutes of meeting held in2008 >>>> 3. Judgement in Asif's case >>>> 4. University of Bombay's circular on psychology >>>> >>>> I need to know from each of you as to what you want in the new Rules. >>>> What >>>> you want to safe guard against,What you want the Examination authority >>>> to >>>> take care of and what will be the visually challenged's responsibility. >>>> Anything that I should take into account especially for any particular >>>> exam. Please ask for the moon we just might get it of course be >>>> practical. >>>> Think of all the variations and combinations and complications that >>>> someone somewhere may face. Thats why I am still on this group. >>>> >>>> I cannot take care of the idiot who denies the rules but I can ensure >>>> good >>>> rules on paper at least. So lets go for it. Please dont send me a list >>>> of >>>> what happened in the past I cant rectify it but I can see that it does >>>> not >>>> happen again. So requesting for some input. >>>> The new rules will apply to : >>>> 1. All recruiting exams >>>> 2. All college and school exams >>>> 3. 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