Hello Aisha, I think you are doing some journalism course, and you're staying in delhi. just not thought appropriate to drop this query in your inbox that's why writing here.
On 9/29/10, aisha sahani <[email protected]> wrote: > well, > i wanted to continue this discussion, but read from moderator just > now, will have to close this thread from my end at least. > > i'd like to get in touch with you about it off the list > aisha sahani. > > On 9/29/10, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote: >> I think paying extra money to hold mahesh's hand while in america was not >> at >> all insisted upon by him. >> Boss simply rejected hisnomination due to the fact that they would be >> required to hold his hand while traveling in america!!! >> Now, what do you say? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of aisha sahani >> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:17 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >> >> I agree that equality is not uniformity, but put yourself in shoes of >> his boss, why in the world he'd like to invest extra money for mr. >> Mahesh? >> >> >> I'm aware there are CSR drives, but you can't fight for CSR things, >> they are done as per the company policies and one's own willingness. >> >> If mr. Mahesh is using jaws in his office, company people might have >> provided that, which is a reasonable accommodation. >> >> Suppose he demands for a daily escort to pick and drop him saying that >> his mobility is not good and he is skilled otherwise, would you say >> its justified? >> >> I don't say that its at all possible for a blind person to move with >> complete independence, but no one denies you to take help from local >> people including strangers, the world is still helpful around the >> globe. >> >> Moreover, that's what i say. >> He can surely take help from his colleagues, but he can't insist his >> management to pay money to those colleagues for helping him. >> >> When i go to college, i take help from strangers to catch the buss, to >> reach my destination, etc. >> I won't like to ask my parents to pick and drop me every day, as they >> all have their own works. Right? >> >> I guess i'm still independent in mobility. >> >> For me, the definition of independence is to perform your work without >> bothering others. >> In fact, if a stranger helps me, he/she is doing from willingness, not >> any insistence. >> Aisha sahani. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/28/10, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Of course, of course, she also would fall foul of coming upto >>> expectations >>> of votaries of strict self reliance. >>> And, then why madam aisha, do we give maternity leave to female >>> employees, >>> if everybody is equal and must be treated according to fixed standards of >>> so-called independent productivity? >>> >>> Please remember, equality is not uniformity. >>> differences have to be duly defered to. >>> >>> And, let me reitterate again, independent mobility is a myth at least for >>> blind, let anyone prove me wrong if they can. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Sathiyaprakash >>> Ramdoss >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:01 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>> >>> In addition to Steve Hawkins, are we also taking Helen Keller not in >>> to consideration? >>> >>> On 9/27/10, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Stefen Hawkins better pass his days confined in his home, no? >>>> Why waste time for a cripple and a dumb? >>>> >>>> Remember, mahesh is not asking for any special guide.\ >>>> Only his team members have to escort him a bit. >>>> Stringent laws are the need of the hour. >>>> no education or counseling does any good. >>>> Coercion is many a times sole basis for morality. >>>> That's why whole gamut of godliy heaven and hell and that's why whole >>>> gammut of rule of law. >>>> As my psychology teacher remarked once in exasperation at my repeated >>>> query >>>> about potential of cognitive behavioural approach in changing response >>>> to >>>> disability: >>>> "Mr. Asudani, chastize them with direct verbal onslaught, and the whole >>>> attitude would change". >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of namdeo2000 >>>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:43 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>>> >>>> According to you, helping somebody is a waste of time? Suppose there is >>>> a >>>> poor man who has a very good ability of doing business. To start with, >>>> he >>>> needs only RS 100 which he doesn't have. Now as far as you or people >>>> like >>>> you, will not concede him that amount because your logic is, why should >>>> you >>>> waste your hard-earned money on him. >>>> This gentleman from Pune, only needs somebody to guide him to move >>>> around.In >>>> the conference he can exhibit his technical expertise thereby making the >>>> name of his company. >>>> But he can not do this, as long as there are people like his boss and >>>> people like you, who think that if he is not independent in moving >>>> about, >>>> his being a expert technician is useless. Mahesh is only blind but, >>>> suppose, >>>> there is some scientist of a very high stature, but he has lost his both >>>> legs. As per your view, he must never be allowed to attend any seminars >>>> or >>>> conferences because he would need somebody to push his wheelchair >>>> around. >>>> Why should you waste your precious time for him? --- Original Message >>>> ----- >>>> From: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]>; "Geetha Shamanna" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:35 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>>> >>>> >>>>> Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes, >>>>> saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has >>>>> to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal >>>>> opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have >>>>> skills of independence? >>>>> >>>>> On 9/26/10, namdeo2000 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his >>>>>> mobility >>>>>> so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand and guide >>>>>> him, >>>>>> he >>>>>> should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about >>>>>> independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection >>>>>> whatsoever. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Geetha Shamanna" gee...@millernorbert. >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Mahesh, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how >>>>>>> independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within the >>>>>>> office >>>>>>> on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently >>>>>>> outside >>>>>>> Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a >>>>>>> large >>>>>>> extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person >>>>>>> requires >>>>>>> assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work, >>>>>>> colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the >>>>>>> only >>>>>>> blind person they have come across in their whole existence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Instead of going to the press and publicising this issue, what is >>>>>>> probably >>>>>>> required here is for you to have a long and candid talk with your >>>>>>> superior >>>>>>> and try and convince him that you are capable of looking after >>>>>>> yourself >>>>>>> during the US trip, and that you will not be excessively dependent on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> colleagues traveling with you. You can also ask him to specifically >>>>>>> list >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> his reservations; you can then address them individually. If you >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> traveled alone previously, tell him how you did so and how >>>>>>> independently >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> dealt with the situation. It won't be easy, but each of us will have >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> fight this battle on our own. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Finally, if he is not sufficiently convinced and does not agree to >>>>>>> send >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> to the conference, do not give up. Whenever opportunities to travel >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> local >>>>>>> conferences or other events within Pune or other parts of India >>>>>>> arise, >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> the first one to apply. He may not be averse to sending you to local >>>>>>> events; >>>>>>> so make full use of it and try to be as independent as possible >>>>>>> during >>>>>>> these >>>>>>> events. You will then notice how your superior's impression of you >>>>>>> changes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Geetha >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Mahesh Shah" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: "accessindia" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 5:45 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Friends-- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am writing to this list after a long time. I wish to tell you an >>>>>>> incident happened in my office , which shocked me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Every year, a delegation goes from my office, C-DAC, to participate >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> SuperComputing conference in USA. This year I put my self-nomination >>>>>>> for this. I am the most qualified and most senior person for the job. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But my boss called me for a one-to-one discussion and informed me >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> it will be 'embarrasing' to send a person (VI) like me in . the >>>>>>> delegation. Because I will require someone's support and will hold >>>>>>> someone's hand. Also if some accident happens to me because of my >>>>>>> disability, he and office will be hold responsible for why they sent >>>>>>> such a person. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was really shocked and upset with the behaviour. Then I withdrew my >>>>>>> nomination for participation in the conference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Friends, I want to show you that how these learned so-called >>>>>>> superiors >>>>>>> fail to understand the VI peoples aspirations and behave in such a >>>>>>> nonsense way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for sharing my concerns. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mahesh Shah >>>>>>> Pune >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >>>>>>> disability bill at: >>>>>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>>>> please >>>>>>> visit the list home page at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >>>>>>> disability bill at: >>>>>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >>>>>> disability bill at: >>>>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> with >>>>>> the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>>> please >>>>>> visit the list home page at >>>>>> >>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>>> Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 >>>>> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org >>>>> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets >>>>> >>>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >>>>> disability bill at: >>>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to [email protected] >>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>> >>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >>>> disability bill at: >>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to [email protected] >>>> with >>>> the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please >>>> visit the list home page at >>>> >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >>>> and >>>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >>>> addressed. 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