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On 9/26/11, Raj Debbarma <[email protected]> wrote:
> i strongly belief that white cane should  use by everyone of us.
> every time its not possible  to walk with your companion. yes it is
> importent to take help of sighted esistence but it is more asential
> to cary white cane along.
> if i tell you about me; i prefer to use white cane when i walk alone
> specially in public places like railwaystation, road, govt offices and
> hospitals etc.
> ya, when i  go for hang out and colledge i'm  always with my friends.
> i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall,
> discos, night clubs  and restaurants etc.
> it doesn't mean that they are not ready to come  apart from these
> places. but in my personal work i prefer to do alone for my own
> setisfection.
> my family and my friends are so  caring , they never want to live me
> alone at any point of time.  sometimes i find  so much difficultys to
> convince them.
>
>  thank you..
> regards
>  raj debbarman.
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> On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Well said Vetri.
>> Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly.
>> However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of
>> wasting
>> it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound idea I
>> have given to a few who have made a good use of it.
>> But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be taught
>> and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US claim to
>> do?
>> Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique?
>> Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues practically
>> at
>> AI convention, which I would regretfully miss.
>>
>> Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility assistance by
>> sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting anybody.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam
>> Vetrivel Murugan
>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>
>> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid
>> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no
>> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are
>> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation
>> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on
>> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the
>> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone
>> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's
>> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put
>> himself or herself in danger.
>>
>> Vetri.
>>
>> On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Sorry,  in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could
>>> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white
>>> cane, and that too is not well explained.
>>> Renuka.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Friends,
>>>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all.
>>>>  Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen
>>>> readers.
>>>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social
>>>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one.
>>>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern  yet for me
>>>> personal satisfaction matters most.
>>>> Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules
>>>> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go
>>>> with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good
>>>> mobility.
>>>> I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without
>>>> sighted escort.
>>>> Above all, self satisfaction is really important.
>>>> Though it's tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is
>>>> possible.
>>>> I don't want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary
>>>> sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try
>>>> to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible.
>>>> let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list.
>>>> Thanks...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, I'm glad to see this thread.
>>>>> I think that this matters more than all other screen readers,
>>>>> assistive devices and all such other things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move
>>>>> on their own.
>>>>> I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around.
>>>>>  Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are
>>>>> more dependent on others than those who use white canes are.
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide
>>>>> instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on
>>>>> others.
>>>>>  Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not
>>>>> require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really
>>>>> don't know how they actually manage it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards
>>>>> those who use white canes.
>>>>> I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic
>>>>> change in their behavior.
>>>>> They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they
>>>>> start asking ridiculous questions.
>>>>> All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I
>>>>> believe that it happens more if you use a white cane.
>>>>> Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we
>>>>> have?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the
>>>>>> disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply
>>>>>> accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational,
>>>>>> free and independent.
>>>>>> We need to  may be think further in lines of human interdependence
>>>>>> rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not
>>>>>> only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled.
>>>>>> When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would
>>>>>> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural
>>>>>>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter
>>>>>>> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which
>>>>>>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons
>>>>>>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my
>>>>>>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the
>>>>>>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were
>>>>>>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in
>>>>>>> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted
>>>>>>> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in
>>>>>>> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a
>>>>>>> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing
>>>>>>> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in
>>>>>>> falling down and injuring oneself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the
>>>>>>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> come when this topic itself will become redundant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee.
>>>>>>> cell: 09433305139
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace
>>>>>>>> withit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Raj Debbarma" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hi sir,
>>>>>>>>> i agree with all your point.
>>>>>>>>> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new
>>>>>>>>> surrounding
>>>>>>>>> and also belief nothing wrong  to ask direction to  find  our way.
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> terms of holding hand, what i think  there might be cultural
>>>>>>>>> differences reguarding this.  but if you are caring cane  its
>>>>>>>>> automatically represent your blindness twards the society  that
>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>> of time if  anyone hold your hand, i don't think  anybody should
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> any sort of problem.
>>>>>>>>> its raj, have a nice day ahead  to all of you. cheers
>>>>>>>>> thank you..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our
>>>>>>>>>> ways
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time
>>>>>>>>>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about
>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>> thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little
>>>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>>>>> Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean
>>>>>>>>>> made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of
>>>>>>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>> someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in
>>>>>>>>>> India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who
>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>> is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding
>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>> hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be
>>>>>>>>>> aware
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to do
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should
>>>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>>>> make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, but at
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> same time there is nothing wrong in asking for directions. Just a
>>>>>>>>>> passing comment about my attitude towards others assistance:
>>>>>>>>>> Either
>>>>>>>>>> guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am intelegent
>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>> to find my ways around.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vetri.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm
>>>>>>>>>>> concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance. but
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> Mr
>>>>>>>>>>> Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is
>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely
>>>>>>>>>>> valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be
>>>>>>>>>>> discretion
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> making my own choices for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, mahendra <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Rajesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> i only agree with your thurd point,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is
>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must
>>>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>>>>>>>> for our life, and not totaly put responsibility  on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulders
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> secondly  because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is
>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are
>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dear Srinivasu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>mobility as totally blind do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>My point is, without escort,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>to fumble around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>curtailed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> afford,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>utmost importance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajesh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come
>>>>>>>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tips
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks a lot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>-Srinivasu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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