thank you so much sir.
i didn't check before sand this mail.
Randomly I’ve sanded the mail.
 I extremely apologize for this.
Definitely, I’ll take care of it.
regards
raj debbarman


On 9/26/11, Phen Varghese <phenvargh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear, raj debbarman.
>
> When you type please check what you are typing.
> There are a lot of mistakes.
> Try to use MS word and spell check and copy it to your compose mail.
>
> With regards,
>
> Phen Varghese
>
> On 9/26/11, Raj Debbarma <rdbbarma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> i strongly belief that white cane should  use by everyone of us.
>> every time its not possible  to walk with your companion. yes it is
>> importent to take help of sighted esistence but it is more asential
>> to cary white cane along.
>> if i tell you about me; i prefer to use white cane when i walk alone
>> specially in public places like railwaystation, road, govt offices and
>> hospitals etc.
>> ya, when i  go for hang out and colledge i'm  always with my friends.
>> i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall,
>> discos, night clubs  and restaurants etc.
>> it doesn't mean that they are not ready to come  apart from these
>> places. but in my personal work i prefer to do alone for my own
>> setisfection.
>> my family and my friends are so  caring , they never want to live me
>> alone at any point of time.  sometimes i find  so much difficultys to
>> convince them.
>>
>>  thank you..
>> regards
>>  raj debbarman.
>> no:
>> +919545810447
>> email:
>> rdbbarma...@gmail.com
>>
>> On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote:
>>> Well said Vetri.
>>> Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly.
>>> However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of
>>> wasting
>>> it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound idea I
>>> have given to a few who have made a good use of it.
>>> But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be taught
>>> and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US claim
>>> to
>>> do?
>>> Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique?
>>> Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues practically
>>> at
>>> AI convention, which I would regretfully miss.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility assistance
>>> by
>>> sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting anybody.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam
>>> Vetrivel Murugan
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM
>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>>
>>> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid
>>> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no
>>> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are
>>> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation
>>> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on
>>> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the
>>> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone
>>> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's
>>> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put
>>> himself or herself in danger.
>>>
>>> Vetri.
>>>
>>> On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar <eren...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Sorry,  in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could
>>>> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white
>>>> cane, and that too is not well explained.
>>>> Renuka.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur <jigneshthaku...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Friends,
>>>>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all.
>>>>>  Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen
>>>>> readers.
>>>>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social
>>>>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one.
>>>>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern  yet for me
>>>>> personal satisfaction matters most.
>>>>> Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules
>>>>> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go
>>>>> with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good
>>>>> mobility.
>>>>> I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without
>>>>> sighted escort.
>>>>> Above all, self satisfaction is really important.
>>>>> Though it's tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is
>>>>> possible.
>>>>> I don't want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary
>>>>> sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try
>>>>> to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible.
>>>>> let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list.
>>>>> Thanks...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, I'm glad to see this thread.
>>>>>> I think that this matters more than all other screen readers,
>>>>>> assistive devices and all such other things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move
>>>>>> on their own.
>>>>>> I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around.
>>>>>>  Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are
>>>>>> more dependent on others than those who use white canes are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide
>>>>>> instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on
>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>  Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not
>>>>>> require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really
>>>>>> don't know how they actually manage it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards
>>>>>> those who use white canes.
>>>>>> I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic
>>>>>> change in their behavior.
>>>>>> They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they
>>>>>> start asking ridiculous questions.
>>>>>> All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I
>>>>>> believe that it happens more if you use a white cane.
>>>>>> Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we
>>>>>> have?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker <maheshspanic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the
>>>>>>> disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply
>>>>>>> accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational,
>>>>>>> free and independent.
>>>>>>> We need to  may be think further in lines of human interdependence
>>>>>>> rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not
>>>>>>> only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled.
>>>>>>> When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would
>>>>>>> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured.
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural
>>>>>>>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter
>>>>>>>> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which
>>>>>>>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons
>>>>>>>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my
>>>>>>>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were
>>>>>>>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in
>>>>>>>> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted
>>>>>>>> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare.
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a
>>>>>>>> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying
>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in
>>>>>>>> falling down and injuring oneself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the
>>>>>>>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> come when this topic itself will become redundant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee.
>>>>>>>> cell: 09433305139
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA <bsvermad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace
>>>>>>>>> withit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Raj Debbarma" <rdbbarma...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hi sir,
>>>>>>>>>> i agree with all your point.
>>>>>>>>>> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new
>>>>>>>>>> surrounding
>>>>>>>>>> and also belief nothing wrong  to ask direction to  find  our way.
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> terms of holding hand, what i think  there might be cultural
>>>>>>>>>> differences reguarding this.  but if you are caring cane  its
>>>>>>>>>> automatically represent your blindness twards the society  that
>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>> of time if  anyone hold your hand, i don't think  anybody should
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> any sort of problem.
>>>>>>>>>> its raj, have a nice day ahead  to all of you. cheers
>>>>>>>>>> thank you..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan <vadhimoo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our
>>>>>>>>>>> ways
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time
>>>>>>>>>>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about
>>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little
>>>>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>>>>>> Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean
>>>>>>>>>>> made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>> someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in
>>>>>>>>>>> India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who
>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding
>>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>>> hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be
>>>>>>>>>>> aware
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to do
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should
>>>>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>>>>> make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, but at
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> same time there is nothing wrong in asking for directions. Just a
>>>>>>>>>>> passing comment about my attitude towards others assistance:
>>>>>>>>>>> Either
>>>>>>>>>>> guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am intelegent
>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>> to find my ways around.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vetri.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance.
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is
>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely
>>>>>>>>>>>> valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be
>>>>>>>>>>>> discretion
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> making my own choices for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, mahendra <gal...@chello.at> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Rajesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i only agree with your thurd point,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must
>>>>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for our life, and not totaly put responsibility  on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulders
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> secondly  because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dear Srinivasu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mobility as totally blind do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My point is, without escort,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to fumble around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>curtailed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afford,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>utmost importance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajesh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tips
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks a lot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-Srinivasu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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