Sorry, I ave sent half written email. About ID Cards, I would leave the decision to railways as to what works best for them. All we have to suggest is to get rid of photocopies.
Regards, Srinivasu http://srinivasu.org Twitter: @vasutweets Sent from my iPad On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:11 PM, "Umesha Economics" <[email protected]> wrote: > hi mohit, > yes, it is exactly what I meant. dear srinivasu, please don't think only > about Access Indians. how many VIs have IPhone or android? > regarding identity cards, I don't believe in mingling with UID card. there > are many controversies in it and it is not completely done in all regions. > should this train facility which would be inherently slow, should be further > halted due to those problems? moreover, the database should be fully owned > and maintained by railways. UID data is kept by a separate firm. if there is > a problem in data connections between the 2, the customers will be adversely > affected. > > Umesha > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mohith B. P." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, 27 January, 2013 12:58 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Braille stickers in trains for visually-challenged > > >> Hi Srinivas, >> >> As for as my understanding Umesha is suggesting to have audio out put >> at every dore with coatch number. >> I feel this will help visually impaired people to find the right >> coatch quickly as reading braille lables and moving in another >> direction always hassel and there is a possibility of getting confused >> of the direction to move to another coatch. >> As the volume of the speakers are not as equally high as loud speakers >> used for anouncements it may not confuse and moving closer to the >> anouncement will surely help to understand whether we are at the right >> coatch or not. >> Phone app: surely it is a great idea, but it will not serve the >> purpose for everyone since mejority VIs use basic hand sets. >> >> On 1/26/13, Srinivasu Chakravarthula <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Umesha, >>> Thanks for this. Please see my responses below. >>>> 1. while announcing the train shortly arriving into the station, they >>>> should announce the position of disabled coach. >>> Agreed. >>> >>>> 2. instead of Braille labels, making audio announcement of coach number >>>> putting speakers at the doors of coaches facing outwards. this is very >>>> much advantageous. one can listen from distance and no need of touching >>>> the train to read coach number which is risky. flexibility to change >>>> numbers since it is through computerized speech output. numbers can be >>>> announced before the train stops completely so that visually impaired >>>> persons can prepare themselves to board the coach within time. >>> I'm not sure what you meant or I didn't understand it quite well. Wouldn't >>> it be confusing, if coach starts speaking all at once? Other option, we can >>> think of a phone app, where you click on your phone app and you get the >>> coach number around you or could locate and guide you to your desired coach >>> >>>> 3. similar to talking ATMs, a talking I V R S based machine to give the >>>> train schedule and train running information to VI with headphone. >>> This is exactly what Harips is talking about kiosks >>> >>>> 4. reservation charts be made available in Braille and other accessible >>>> formats. >>> I am unsure asking Braille chart would be a reasonable ask, but SMS would be >>> fine. >>> >>>> 5. separate ticket counters for disabled including visually challenged >>>> persons in major stations and exemption from the queue in small stations. >>>> (once I visited such a counter in Bangalore city junction many years ago >>>> to buy a ticket with my escort. the operator told me that only wheelchair >>>> users are given tickets in that counter.) >>> Agreed. >>> >>>> 6. issue of identity cards to VIs with unique number and make the database >>>> available while issuing tickets at the counter for verification instead of >>>> asking the Xerox of concession certificate. as you know, we face lot of >>>> problems in getting tickets as they want to vary every part of our >>>> certificate like seal, signature, name of the doctor, his/her register >>>> number, etc. many times they ask us the name and register number when the >>>> writing of doctors is illegible. in some places, they take several minutes >>>> to finish it. >>> I agree, also this would save the paper, but issuing of a separate ID may >>> not be a good idea. Probably UID should play a role. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Srinivasu >>> http://srinivasu.org Twitter: @vasutweets >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, "Umesha Economics" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Harish has given a good list of recommendations. to add a few, >>>> 1. while announcing the train shortly arriving into the station, they >>>> should announce the position of disabled coach. >>>> 2. instead of Braille labels, making audio announcement of coach number >>>> putting speakers at the doors of coaches facing outwards. this is very >>>> much advantageous. one can listen from distance and no need of touching >>>> the train to read coach number which is risky. flexibility to change >>>> numbers since it is through computerized speech output. numbers can be >>>> announced before the train stops completely so that visually impaired >>>> persons can prepare themselves to board the coach within time. >>>> 3. similar to talking ATMs, a talking I V R S based machine to give the >>>> train schedule and train running information to VI with headphone. >>>> 4. reservation charts be made available in Braille and other accessible >>>> formats. >>>> 5. separate ticket counters for disabled including visually challenged >>>> persons in major stations and exemption from the queue in small stations. >>>> (once I visited such a counter in Bangalore city junction many years ago >>>> to buy a ticket with my escort. the operator told me that only wheelchair >>>> users are given tickets in that counter.) >>>> 6. issue of identity cards to VIs with unique number and make the database >>>> available while issuing tickets at the counter for verification instead of >>>> asking the Xerox of concession certificate. as you know, we face lot of >>>> problems in getting tickets as they want to vary every part of our >>>> certificate like seal, signature, name of the doctor, his/her register >>>> number, etc. many times they ask us the name and register number when the >>>> writing of doctors is illegible. in some places, they take several minutes >>>> to finish it. >>>> >>>> Umesha >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 22 January, 2013 1:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Braille stickers in trains for visually-challenged >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear Harish, >>>>> Certainly, this is a great list. I have captured them in a word document >>>>> and soon put up on my website so that it will be add further notes. Soon >>>>> I >>>>> get the contact info, I shall email them and copy you on it. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> -Srini >>>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Kotian, H P <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> * Gap between train and platform to be reduced to avoid fatal >>>>>> accidents >>>>>> * Floor of the platform and coach to be on the same level. >>>>>> Especially usefully for wheel chair users >>>>>> * Gap between 2 compartments to be filled up to avoid fatal >>>>>> accidents especially to the blind >>>>>> * Tactile skirting along the edge of the platform to avoid >>>>>> falling >>>>>> of visually impaired on the railway track. >>>>>> * Tactile markings on the platform should lead from compartment >>>>>> for >>>>>> disabled to bridges, escalators, wash-rooms and exits. >>>>>> * Inside the train, in addition to the station announcement, it >>>>>> should announce the direction of the platform, give a steady tone when >>>>>> it >>>>>> is on the platform and make a rising tone when the train is about to >>>>>> start. >>>>>> * Display of Train information and announcements should be >>>>>> prominently displayed so as to enable hearing impaired to get access. >>>>>> * Auditory and Visual announcement of upcoming stations in the >>>>>> train >>>>>> * There should be a separate help-desk for the disabled on all >>>>>> stations for providing assistance to the disabled including wheel chair >>>>>> and >>>>>> escort to the blind. There should be a centralized toll free telephone >>>>>> number which would also be coordinating with these help-desks. >>>>>> * Lift to be accessible for all including wheelchair users to use >>>>>> the cross over bridges and move to platforms >>>>>> * Automated ticket facility should be accessible to all kinds of >>>>>> PWD >>>>>> including visually impaired >>>>>> Online ticketing should also be available while availing concessions >>>>>> provided. >>>>>> * Information Kiosks at Stations should be accessible to all as >>>>>> per >>>>>> Accessibility Guidelines >>>>>> * Provide Sign Language support at help-desk for hearing impaired >>>>>> users >>>>>> * Train schedule available in alternate formats >>>>>> * Accessible Toilets for PWDs >>>>>> * Accessible Tactile Maps >>>>>> * Berth Number in Accessible format >>>>>> * All waiting rooms, cafeterias, night stay accommodation and >>>>>> other >>>>>> facilities provided at the station must be accessible to wheelchair >>>>>> users >>>>>> swell. >>>>>> * have a boarding device such as a portable ramp or a hydraulic >>>>>> lift >>>>>> available on each platform to be used by wheelchair users wanting to >>>>>> board >>>>>> the train. Coolies must be trained in using it >>>>>> * Coolies must be sensitized in assisting disabled passengers >>>>>> Stations should designate reserved parking place for disabled persons. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/VasuTweets >>>>> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org >>>>> >>>>> Let's create an inclusive web! >>>>> >>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>>>> of mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Search for old postings at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of >>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> Search for old postings at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> [email protected] >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of >>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> [email protected] >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> -- >> "Strength is life, weakness is death" >> >> Best Regards >> Mohith B. 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