What happens to the NIHH / ali yavar Jung effort? And Arun's signs? We are constantly reinventing the wheel.
We need to first put this scheme on 'pause' and approach the authorities after discussing a strategy. Best regards, Anita www.ekansh.org > On 25-Mar-2015, at 11:05 am, Shankar Subbiah S <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > Recently Ramakrishna Mission Vivekananda University launched their second > version of Indian Sign Languages researching on it more and it goes on. > > http://indiansignlanguage.org/ > > Probably, standardization of signs through such efforts would help us more. > > With best regards, > > Shankar > > >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Anita <[email protected]> wrote: >> This is what I ranted about on the phone call to you. While I did want >> Arun's dictionary I changed my mind because I saw that here people sign even >> regular words differently. >> >> I am appalled that after 7 years of trying to talk to 'deaf experts' they >> are unable to understand the need for a common sign language to communicate >> in. >> >> How can anyone misuse a language? What are the fears? How can a common >> language do anything but simplify communication! >> >> Total communication is the use of signs, spoken language/speech/ lip >> reading, visual aids and cues, text/subtitles - basically all and any >> methods or combinations that will help in communication and education. >> >> Am typing on my phone. Will elaborate as soon as I get to a comp. >> >> Best regards, >> Anita >> www.ekansh.org >> >>> On 25-Mar-2015, at 10:02 am, Vaishnavi Jayakumar (Inclusive India) >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Anita, >>> >>> Could you clarify what Total Communication means for the rest of us so that >>> we are not totally clueless about the Deaf world? >>> >>> Was really stunned on reading this piece in DNIS. All this while we have >>> been clamouring for recognition of ISL as a language and there is no >>> standard sign language? Diversity by way of regional variations is crucial, >>> but isn't it chaotic to have a bunch of dialects without a language?! >>> Wouldn't it be like a tree with branches but no trunk? >>> >>> Am sure the Deaf community manage, but if for example in the case of the >>> young deaf girl raped recently in South India, how would one communicate? >>> Even if the Court were to appoint a sign language interpreter, heaven knows >>> what would be lost or misunderstood in translation. Again, what sign >>> language would a teacher use pan India? >>> >>> Was again amazed to see these figures in the following study Deaf and Sign >>> Language in India: Problems,Awareness and M3 Solutions >>> >>> <Fig1.JPG> >>> >>> Fig.1. Regional Variation.In Bombay the two signs mean: (left) GOVERNMENT >>> and (right)GUJARAT.In Baroda, Gujarat they mean: (left) GUJARAT And (right) >>> WHEN? >>> >>> <Fig2.JPG> >>> >>> Fig.2 Caption. Intraregional Variation. Four signs for GREEN, all from >>> greater Bombay. Top left is the "standard"sign, top right is the "ASL" >>> sign, and bottom right is the "older" Bombaysign. >>> >>> >>> http://www.dnis.org/features.php?issue_id=7&volume_id=3&features_id=71 >>> >>> >>> Talking hands >>> >>> >>> Feature >>> >>> The world of sign language is all about hands that talk and eyes that speak >>> a fluid, graceful speech. Sadly, however, the absence of a standard >>> language is often a barrier in communication between deaf/hearing impaired >>> people and others, says D.S. Chauhan. >>> >>> Signs and gestures are used and understood universally. However, for those >>> who are born deaf, it is their mother tongue. In the absence of the faculty >>> of hearing, a deaf child cannot learn a language the natural way, by the >>> process of hearing and copying the sound of spoken words. >>> >>> In such cases, a formal education is required to teach language. Sadly, >>> existing educational institutions of deaf people in India do not cater to >>> the needs of even 1 per cent of deaf children of school-going age. >>> Therefore, the very vast majority of those born deaf remain without the >>> knowledge of a language. >>> >>> For them, signs and gestures are normal modes of self-expression and >>> understanding others. However, these signs and gestures are self improvised >>> and, therefore, only those who are exposed to them can use and understand >>> them. >>> >>> Essentially, these signs are pantomimes of the motions involved in a >>> specific activity, such as eating, drinking, sleeping, and so on. The more >>> innovative among deaf people devise signs for a wide range of signs, >>> largely for meeting their personal needs. Sometimes hands and fingers are >>> also formed in different shapes to denote an object, essentially of daily >>> use, such as a cup, tumbler, plate, toothbrush, toothpaste and so on. >>> >>> Being self-improvised, these differ from person to person and from place to >>> place. If there are two or more deaf people present at a given place, they >>> develop their own local sign language by communicating with each other. >>> When these deaf people come into contact with deaf people of nearby areas, >>> they are able to achieve a short of synthesis which is often taken as the >>> regional language, which for the more learned among the sign language >>> experts becomes a dialect. >>> >>> The sign language used in India can be roughly divided in four zones or >>> regions: East, West, North and South. The basic signs, which are based on >>> any form of human activity, are basically the same, but variations do >>> exist. For example, the sign for drinking water in the North is the cupping >>> of the palm and touching it to the lips, a mode of drinking quite common in >>> the region. In the South, water is poured directly in the mouth, with the >>> head tilted backwards, from a vessel kept high over the head. So a sign >>> denoting that, or a sign such that that used in the North, could both be >>> used. >>> >>> Then there are the signs which are based on customs prevalent in a >>> particular area or religious ritual. For example, to signify a wife, in >>> North India, the sign used is to place one palm over the other as is done >>> during the marriage among the Hindus. In the South, the sign is motion of >>> tying ‘Thali’ around the neck. >>> >>> From the above examples, it will be noted that these signs, though good >>> enough to convey some sense, have no academic value at all. In fact, these >>> signs are few and far between. A deaf person, for example, cannot explain >>> his illness or the symptoms of his disease. He cannot also interact with >>> those who are not exposed to his particular usage of sign language. Though >>> there is difficulty initially when deaf people from different regions meet >>> and use their regional sign language, the use of supporting signs and >>> understanding can be achieved after some give and take. >>> >>> But with this limited sign language deaf people cannot lead satisfying >>> lives. They may be able to learn some trade or vocation and earn just >>> enough to meet the family’s needs but social, cultural, religious >>> activities are not for them because of communication barriers. Many deaf >>> people have established themselves on their own in their chosen field but >>> when it comes to issues such as the education or marriage of their >>> children, or the partition of the family’s assets, they find themselves >>> quite at sea. >>> >>> What is more, they cannot enlist the help of an average hearing person, who >>> most likely will not be able to understand the deaf person. Only a person >>> with knowledge of sign language can understand them. Sadly, such persons >>> are not easily found. Therefore, it is not surprising that even for the >>> drafting of a petition people come from relatively far-away places go to >>> Delhi or go to State capitals, believing that there would certainly be >>> qualified persons who would become their saviours. >>> >>> Had there been a standard Indian sign language in place, deaf people would >>> not suffered that much. This is because it would have been possible to >>> familiarise the relevant people with a standard Indian sign language by >>> conducting special orientation courses. Alas, even after 57 years, no >>> sincere attempt has been made to develop a standard Indian sign language: >>> easy to use, easy to understand by deaf/hearing impaired and non-hearing >>> impaired alike, and which can meet the domestic, educational, training, >>> economic, social, cultural and religious needs of deaf people. >>> >>> Even though there is no Indian sign language as such, so-called experts on >>> sign language, some of them imported, go about telling people that there is >>> already an Indian sign language, complete with its grammar. If such be the >>> case, one wonders as to why it cannot be used to explain lessons to deaf >>> students in their special schools. Even though they may spend 10 years in >>> their special school and possess Matriculation certificates, sadly they >>> cannot write even a single sentence which is grammatically correct. Would >>> this be so had there been a standard Indian sign language complete with its >>> grammar in place? >>> >>> No doubt some efforts have been made in this direction and more are being >>> made. However, the basic approach is wrong. The collection and codification >>> of existing signs used by adult deaf people is hardly development. What is >>> needed is a sign language which can be used in the classrooms to explain >>> lessons to deaf students. At present their teachers have no means to >>> explain lessons. No wonder, when the average deaf student leaves school >>> after completing his studies, his knowledge levels are the same as when he >>> was admitted. >>> >>> In the developed world, 39 countries have already accorded the status of a >>> ‘national language’ to the country’s sign language, and these are used as >>> the medium of instruction. And in India, we are yet to take even the first >>> step in this direction -- development and standardisation of sign language. >>> >>> The right course would be to broad-base sign language development work, >>> currently confined to one or two agencies. Also, involvement of Institutes >>> of Technology and universities is called for. An active involvement of >>> organisations of adult deaf people, so far kept out, is essential if the >>> sign language development efforts are to prove not only successful, but >>> also acceptable. >>> >>> In this context, mention can be made of the revolution that Braille has >>> brought about in the education of visually persons. This is because it >>> tapes the astonishing sense of touch and feel with which Nature has endowed >>> visually impaired persons. >>> >>> Deaf people, on the other hand, hear with their eyes and speak with their >>> fingers. If this natural talent of theirs, symbolised by their sign >>> language, is developed and used, they can benefit the most. It has already >>> been established by the results obtained during the past 100 years and more >>> that the present system of educating deaf people has not delivered the >>> desired results. A sign language-based system, custom made for the needs of >>> deaf people, can revolutionise their education. For this, however, we have >>> to have a standard Indian sign language. This, if put into place, can open >>> new vistas of progress for deaf people through proper formal education. >>> Uneducated deaf people and normal hearing people will also benefit equally >>> from such a step. >>> >>> The question now is: Will the right sense prevail and requisite steps be >>> taken to develop and standardise Indian sign language and make it a medium >>> of instruction for deaf people? >>> >>> We wait for an answer. >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------- >>> VAISHNAVI JAYAKUMAR >>> http://about.me/vjayakumar >>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Anita <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Do we have professors and interpreters that are capable of total >>>> communications? Or will this be another incomplete effort to showcase? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Anita >>>> www.ekansh.org >>>> >>>>> On 25-Mar-2015, at 8:19 am, Vaishnavi Jayakumar >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> P.R. No.116 >>>>> Date:20.03.2015 >>>>> >>>>> Press Release >>>>> >>>>> The Department of Empowerment of Persons with Disabilities, Ministry of >>>>> Social Justice and Empowerment, New Delhi has announced a new Central >>>>> Sector Scheme of “ Establishment of College for Deaf in each of the five >>>>> regions of the country” with effect from 29.1.2015. >>>>> >>>>> The Scheme envisages financial assistance to one college, affiliated to >>>>> the UGC approved Universities, in each of the five regions of the country >>>>> (a) for expansion of the infrastructure of the existing college (b) for >>>>> purchase of aids/equipment, office equipment, computers, furniture & >>>>> fixtures etc. (c) financial assistance in the form of grant in aids to >>>>> reimburse the cost incurred by the college towards payment of salaries >>>>> and allowances etc. to the college faculty, staff and sign language >>>>> interpreters and (d) financial assistance for construction of building >>>>> and etc. >>>>> >>>>> The details regarding proposed scheme/ guidelines/ conditions are >>>>> available in the website-“www.socialjustice.nic.in” . The eligible and >>>>> interested University/ Colleges may submit the proposal to the >>>>> Commissionerate for the Welfare of the Differently Abled, Ist Floor-State >>>>> Resource cum Training Centre, Government Peripheral Hospital campus, >>>>> Jawaharlal Nehru Inner Ring Road, K.K.Nagar, Chennai-78 on or before >>>>> 31.3.2015 for forwarding the proposal along with recommendation to >>>>> Government of India. >>>>> >>>>> State Commissioner for the Differently Abled >>>>> >>>>> Issued By: DIPR, Secretariat, Chennai 9 >>>>> >>>>> http://cms.tn.gov.in//sites/default/files/press_release/pr200315_e_116.pdf >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> EMAIL OVERLOAD? 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