There are 19 messages totalling 787 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. MONITORING PROGRAM
2. COM file by GOTHER (2)
3. FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
4. Upload files to FTP
5. getweb error
6. Setting up Autoresponder
7. kfs, failed mail?
8. HTML Mail
9. TCP/IP
10. Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories (7)
11. About cracking Metacrawter search engine
12. About FTP by mail and Win9x
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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:04:23 -0300
From: Jonatan Galletti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MONITORING PROGRAM
Hello ACCMAILERS:
I'm looking for a programme to "monitoring de dial-up connections
(INTERNET CONECTIONS)".
Thanks
Jonat�n Galletti
Calle 13 Nro. 1442
(6360) General Pico, La Pampa
Argentina
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:58:52 +0400
From: coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: COM file by GOTHER
I need file
www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe
How get *.exe by gother ???
I did so, By get nothing:::
Split=250K
#
Name=the_bat.exe
Type=9
Port=80
Path=GET /ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe
HOST=www.ritlabs.com
Where was my error?
CoFFin. 19.04.99
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 06:01:29 +0100
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Subject: FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:10:26 EDT
From: William C Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upload files to FTP
"Gerald E. Boyd" wrote:
>Miroslav Zidek wrote the following:
>
>>Is it possible to upload files to FTP server (my free web pages) via
>>e-mail?
>
>No...
Sounds like something to add to the FAQ and Version: 8.x of
"Accessing The Internet By E-Mail; Guide to Offline Internet Access"
Not that anyone reads them.
$0.02
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:10:27 EDT
From: William C Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: getweb error
Kai Schindelka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wrote:
>> > -- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> I got this error msg.Could someone tell me
>> the correct method of using emailfetch ?
>
>That message does not imply you are using an incorrect method of
>contacting the service. It simply say it could not be reached
>because it was permanently busy or seems to be gone down. Just
>try the address of another getweb server such as
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, Mr. Boyd informed us that *both* GETWEBS are down. I think
it was yesterday or the day before.
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:10:27 EDT
From: William C Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Setting up Autoresponder
Marc Loehrwald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wrote:
>> >Procmail will do it for you.
>>
>> Does Procmail work in Dos? If not, can you recommend a
>>good alternative for Dos?
>
>AFAIK procmail works only under Unix, Linux, etc.
>
>You could use Pegasus Mail with the sendfile addon to get the
>same results.
You may want to check out: DragonLinux It is a free Linux
that runs on top of DOS.
Quote from gratis.it e-mail newsletter
<<<
http://www.dragonlinux.nu/
Linux can now co-exist with Windows on the same partition and
take up less space than your word processor! DragonLinux is a
tiny Internet-ready distribution of Linux. At less then 20MB
installed, it is a fully functional UMSDOS (Unix under MS-DOS)
Linux installation complete with networking tools and
documentation.
>>>
The download is ~9 meg, I thunk and maybe broken it floppy
size chunks.
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PS. I am planning out a DOS based 'autoresponder' for Juno-v1.49
It will require the user to cause it to run (through a batch
file or some other method). Any Juno users that wish to send me
their ideas/suggestions, I am open to them.
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:28:01 +0000
From: Neville Jenkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kfs, failed mail?
Hey Jan, that way gets you one url, but what if you want more.
Do you use the body and does it work?
I have used kfs for a couple of months, with 100% success, until
recently!+!
Neville
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:38:56 -0400
From: "Dr. Robert Butters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HTML Mail
Seeking sources of information about HTML mail.
Thanx.
R. Butters
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:17:38 +0300
From: BAHADIR ARMAGAN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: TCP/IP
TCP/IP = TransferControlProtocol/InternetProtocol
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 06:37:35 -0400
From: Redtenbacher Software <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories
Gerald E. Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 18 Apr 1999 11:54:47 -0700:
>The PC with Windows and the 'net has become a point-and-click medium
>with no thought behind how any of it works -- and nobody much cares any
>way.
While I agree with your observation that Windows-PCs have become a
point-and-click medium that is used by many without any understanding of
how it works, I do not share your pessimistic conclusions.
The success of Linux with its many competent contributors shows that there
are still many people who are not satisfied with just
pointing-and-clicking. And as we all know, problems cannot be solved anyhow
by pointing-and-clicking, but only by people who understand the underlying
principles.
So, even if many newbies are asking stupid point-and-click style questions,
there is an objective need for a deeper understanding. Let us strive to
support this deeper understanding and reduce the attention we give to those
newbie questions that display the attitude: "Just tell me which icon I have
to click."
One of the laws of this universe is: "You will get what you support or
concentrate on." If we bother too much about giving no-charge support for
"mouse-clickers who don't want to understand what they do", we are actually
increasing the number of those people.
If we ignore these types of requests and instead further the ones who also
want to _understand_ what they do, we will increase the number of that type
of people.
After all, no one is _obliged_ to spend his/her time in support of
M$-mouse-click-and-don't-think people. If they have to pay for commercial
support, we at least increase the probability that they may wake up one day
and start to become interested in "how things really work".
Therefore, let us concentrate on those interested in gaining a deeper
understanding, and simply ignore the other lot!
- Wolfgang Redtenbacher
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Redtenbacher Software Tel.: +49 7159 17046
Roemerstr. 11/1 Fax: +49 7159 17047
D-71272 Renningen e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:03:26 -0500
From: Bruce Cordero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories
> The PC with Windows and the 'net has become a point-and-click
> medium with no thought behind how any of it works -- and nobody
> much cares anyway.
>
> How many people even care about programming? -- not many I'd
> guess...
Now, now, Mr. Boyd. We must do our best to console you.
What you say is quite correct, but please, do not become sullen.
Think in terms of paintings. Many people love to have them
hanging on their walls though not painters themselves. Others
dabble but lack time for developing the skill. Still their
efforts make them appreciate all the more the skill of the great
painters.
I think this matter similar. A good programmer along with
the fine painter are both artists. They exert creative powers
upon available resources to produce a piece that satisfies.
Always they look for improvement. Never do they feel they have
finished. Yes, they release an individual work; but the next
will be better. If Leonardo DeVinci were alive today, would he
restrain his creativity from the keyboard?
But, as in the world of paintings, there are those who mass
produce often uninspiring work because there are many who "need"
it to hang on their walls.
In the meantime, the true artists, like yourself can create
and those with appreciation will admire.
We on the list who have dabbled in programming appreciate
your skill and contribution. And I, for one, would love hearing
a little about programming history. As long as it is not too far
off topic. What is wrong with a little art appreciation lesson
now and then.
Was he morose? I'm too verbose! So now I close.
Bruce Cordero
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:59:22 EDT
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:03:26 -0500 Bruce Cordero wrote:
>> The PC with Windows and the 'net has become a point-and-click
>> medium with no thought behind how any of it works -- and nobody
>> much cares anyway.
>>
>> How many people even care about programming? -- not many I'd
>> guess...
>
> Now, now, Mr. Boyd. We must do our best to console you.
>What you say is quite correct, but please, do not become sullen.
Funny that when I posted this that I was having two off list
converstions with others that concerned the state of teaching and
learning. My observations are based upon 35 years of programming and 20+
years of part-time teaching of computer related courses and some 5 years
of ACCMAIL...
> Was he morose? I'm too verbose! So now I close.
Yes I probably am morose and concerned with what Windows has wrought.
The more I think about how things are going the more depressed I become.
The US Department of Labor produces statistics anbout just about
everything. One table to look at is the "Fastest Growing Occupations
1996-2006"
http://stats.bls.gov/emptab1.htm
The 3 top jobs are all computer related...
Further information is found in "Computer Scientists, Computer
Engineers,
and Systems Analysts" at http://stats.bls.gov/oco/ocos042.htm
and "Computer Programmers" at http://stats.bls.gov/oco/ocos110.htm
If you really read the details, none of the work is related to "point
and click"...
--
Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:47:56 EDT
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 06:37:35 -0400 Wolfgang Redtenbacher wrote:
>Gerald E. Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 18 Apr 1999 11:54:47 -0700:
>
> >The PC with Windows and the 'net has become a point-and-click medium
> >with no thought behind how any of it works -- and nobody much cares any
> >way.
>
>While I agree with your observation that Windows-PCs have become a
>point-and-click medium that is used by many without any understanding of
>how it works, I do not share your pessimistic conclusions.
I'm getting more and more pessimistic, unfortantely for me. This list
used to have between 3000-3100 members but has been falling steadily in
the last year. We are now done to about 2500+. Other lists that
concentrated on the 'net have also seen this loss. However, the Windows
lists grow and grow.
Win95-l list has 2300 subscribers
Win98-l has has 1100 subscribers
>The success of Linux with its many competent contributors shows that there
>are still many people who are not satisfied with just
>pointing-and-clicking. And as we all know, problems cannot be solved anyhow
>by pointing-and-clicking, but only by people who understand the underlying
>principles.
Out of 22 Linux lists at LISTSERV, the largest one has 546
subscribers...
[snip]
>Therefore, let us concentrate on those interested in gaining a deeper
>understanding, and simply ignore the other lot!
This list won't have many postings if I eliminate everything not E-mail
related.
Here is a summary of last weeks postings that I let through...
<No subject>
????Shuting Down Windows 98???? (2 messages)
About CGI-BIN...
FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics (7 messages)
FW: <No subject given>
Fw: 4useries will no longer be updated
Has Ask Jeeves been 'cracked'? (2 messages)
Help me to stop it (2 messages)
How to get html file? (2 messages)
Looking for an AutoCAD mailing list.
MS-Office, Lotus Notes Support, IE5 download
Need help with MS Photo Editor- print problem
Netscape Download problem
Postscript Files in DOS
Re.: What is [EMAIL PROTECTED]?
Shuting Down Windows 98
Software Directory Directory
The_bat 1.22
Type 0 Negative
U.S. Patents. (2 messages)
VB List
VisualBasic Mailing list was <no subject given>
WWW to IP (2 messages)
What is [EMAIL PROTECTED]?
What's file formated *.pl ?
email to paper mail in France?
finding name of list.
get News. What www4mail i can use.??
how to get Postcript file ? (3 messages)
intel 82557 10/100 (2 messages)
mailing lists search ...
port on ftp? (2 messages)
the other gophermail server?
the other gophermail server? X-no-archive:yes
where to find zip-codes of the largest american ( Usa ) and Canada
www4 and Eudora( POP3 send) (2 messages)
How many of these are really E-mail access related? -- not many
--
Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:48:48 +0200
From: Kai Schindelka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerald E. Boyd) on 18.04.1999:
> >Some time Gerald E. Boyd post a remember from past time
> >like that about about the genesis of Y2K.
> >
> >I kindly suggest to do this more often.
>
> From the questions that appear on this list and others that I belong
> to, nobody nowadays is much interested in computing history.
Too sad. It's like riding a motorbike without knowing what the plate
with the letters "Harley Davidson" on it's side really means.
> The PC with Windows and the 'net has become a point-and-click medium
> with no thought behind how any of it works -- and nobody much cares any
> way.
<sigh> The same applies to it's correct usage even. Nobody seems
to read FAQs and general informations nowadays. I guess newsgroups
which end in .newusers.infos must be the most deserted on the net
anyway.
> How many people even care about programming? -- not many I'd guess...
Don't you dare ask about optimizing the code...!
Well, here's at least one of them. But since I'm already filling
two more niches (I'm an Amiga user and focused on the Amiga Rexx
programming language, ARexx in short), that doesn't question your
statement at all.
--
Bye; Kai
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:01:01 +0100
From: Netmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories
Well I for one found the essay referred to
extremely interesting.
To ask GEB to post such articles regularly
might be imposing a bit too much on our
obviously overworked leader
but I found that the Y2K article put the problem
very neatly within its historical context
and any such articles would be warmly welcomed by me.
Moreover, I might well be willing to publish any such articles
on my website.
yours
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http://members.tripod.co.uk/netmiser/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald E. Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 April 1999 19:54
Subject: Re: Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories
>At 06:36 AM 4/18/1999 +0300, Dan Platon wrote the following:
>
>>Some time Gerald E. Boyd post a remember from past time
>>like that about about the genesis of Y2K.
>>
>>I kindly suggest to do this more often.
>
>>From the questions that appear on this list and others that I belong
>to, nobody nowadays is much interested in computing history. All the
>questions appear to relate to how does some M$ product work, how to
>make a web page, and how to fix some software or hardware problem.
>
>The PC with Windows and the 'net has become a point-and-click medium
>with no thought behind how any of it works -- and nobody much cares any
>way.
>
>How many people even care about programming? -- not many I'd guess...
>
>--
>Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:17:10 -0000
From: Anonymous - Widow Remailer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: About cracking Metacrawter search engine
Dear listers,
An advanced Metacrawler search string as described in wsmeta.faq is
http://www.metacrawler.com/crawler\
?general=frog+dissection&method=0&target=®ion=0&rpp=20\
&timeout=10&hpe=10&format=2
Does anybody know how to ask for the next matches?
Your comments will be appreciated,
Dogberry
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:14:13 EDT
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: COM file by GOTHER
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:58:52 +0400 Coffin wrote:
>I need file
>www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe
>
>
>How get *.exe by gother ???
>
>I did so, By get nothing:::
>
>
>Split=250K
>#
>Name=the_bat.exe
>Type=9
>Port=80
>Path=GET /ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe
>HOST=www.ritlabs.com
>
>
>Where was my error?
You didn't have one. Unfortunately for you, the web site uses a
Javascipt to point to the file and retrive it from the web page.
Gophermail doesn't handle Java. You might try a ww4mail server.
I looked at the web page and tried the mirror sites but then all do the
same thing. That is, use a Javascript to retrieve the file.
You might try the actual FTP site at:
ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe (1355K)
#
Split=250k
Name=the_bat.exe
Type=9
Port=70
Path=ftp:ftp.ritlabs.com@/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe
Host=gopher.eunet.cz
BTW, your subject title is incorrect, the is an EXE file by gopher...
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:52:16 EDT
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:01:01 +0100 Netmiser wrote:
>Well I for one found the essay referred to
>extremely interesting.
>
>To ask GEB to post such articles regularly
>might be imposing a bit too much on our
>obviously overworked leader
>but I found that the Y2K article put the problem
>very neatly within its historical context
>and any such articles would be warmly welcomed by me.
It usually happens that when I read a lot of articles or postings that
upset me no end. Especially, if I happened to participate at the time so
I really know why something happened.
The Y2K stuff really started in earnest about 1990 but the newspapers,
magazines, and the 'net really didn't jump on it until 1998. Most
writers of an article research by getting in contact with somebody that
has published a book or article, is referred to in some other context,
is a University professor, or some other type of notable person. For
instance, I found out the the author of the Time magazine article was
only in their 30s. They looked around for people to contact and quoted
them. Unfortunately, the writer didn't get it nor did the people he
contacted.
If they really wanted to get it right, they would have had to ask around
in a manner of "is there some old fart that worked on mainframes in the
60s that knows about 2-byte dates?" But let's face it, magazine article
writers don't do this. Really, is some author going to ask anybody on
this or any other list about PCs or speak to and quote Bill Gates?
Speaking of Bill Gates, he made the front cover of Time magazine because
of his new book and his "12 Rules for Succeeding in the Digital Age".
1) Insist that communciation flow through E-mail
2) Study sales data to share insights easily
3) Shift knowledge workers into high-level thinking
4) Use digital tools to create virtual teams
5) Convert every paper process to a digital process
6) Use digital tools to eliminate single-task jobs
7) Create a digital feedback loop
8) Use digital systems to route customer complaints immediately
9) Use digital communciation to redefine boundaries
10) Transform every business process into just-in-time delivery
11) Use digital delivery to eliminate the middle man
12) Use digital tools to help customers solve problems for themselves
E-mail was invented in 1971, when did M$ start with it? Do you notice
anything common to all 12 Rules? Or uncommon?
Similarily, I'm still waiting to be contacted by some respected
publication about using E-mail -- but I won't hold my breath. I'll see
more articles by people who make E-mail software or write books or teach
courses in it. Do you really think that I will be contacted?
How many people on this list worked with 80-column punched cards? Who
made a 90-column punched card? What is "snow white and the seven dwarfs"
as related to early mainframe computers? What is DASD? What is the term
"Winchester" and how does it relate to DASD? Who were the "BUNCH"? Who
made the first supercomputer?
--
Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:24:03 +0300
From: Cristian Stanca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: About FTP by mail and Win9x
I have only email (that's the reson I subscribe to Accmail) and when I want
to get a file by ftp-mail server, I always receive the first part of the
file as an attachment
but the rest are always inside the body as text. How can I make to get all
the parts in the body as text? I have Outlook Express and I look for an
option in the menus but I didn't find anything.
The second problem is with Windows 98. Recently, I up-grade my Voodoo with a
Voodoo 2 card and since then Windows is freezing for about 15 - 20 seconds,
then everything goes well. I had this problem ago, when I didn't push firmly
the IDE cable from the CD-ROM and the CD-ROM wasn't detected by Windows. Now
everything is detected, "is working properly" Win98 says. So I boot with the
Step by step confirmation option and I found things in "Bootlog.txt" that I
don't know what are. Can you tell me what are those lines and why that
devices
are "skipped" or "initfailed". Here's the lines:
[000D228B] Loading Vxd = vserver.vxd
[000D228D] Skipped (not needed) = vserver.vxd
...
[000D2295] Loading Vxd = ebios
[000D2295] Skipped (not needed) = ebios
...
[000D22A9] Loading Vxd = EBIOS
[000D22AA] Skipped (not needed) = EBIOS
...
[000D22ED] DEVICEINIT = MTRR
[000D22ED] DEVICEINITFAILED = MTRR
...
[000D2397] DEVICEINIT = VPD
[000D2397] DEVICEINITFAILED = VPD
...
[000D260F] INITCOMPLETE = SDVXD
[000D2610] INITCOMPLETEFAILED = SDVXD
...
I would appreciate any information you could give me, thank you.
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