There are 20 messages totalling 820 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories (4)
2. Failed mail & KFS
3. Content versus point-and-click
4. Yugoslavia
5. Off topic: Gerald E. Boyd stories
6. FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
7. MONITORING PROGRAM
8. Setting up Autoresponder
9. how could i update my mr.cool's data files and how could i get exe files?
10. Composers by e-mail (2)
11. Is very easy with mailserver, but how...?
12. kfs, failed mail?
13. news via email
14. Only getting 143 of 244 parts... (2)
15. free pop3 mail account
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:57:28 +0300
From: Uzi Paz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories
> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:52:16 EDT
> From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> It usually happens that when I read a lot of articles or postings that
> upset me no end. Especially, if I happened to participate at the time so
> I really know why something happened.
>
> The Y2K stuff really started in earnest about 1990 but the newspapers,
> magazines, and the 'net really didn't jump on it until 1998. Most
> writers of an article research by getting in contact with somebody that
> has published a book or article, is referred to in some other context,
> is a University professor, or some other type of notable person. For
> instance, I found out the the author of the Time magazine article was
> only in their 30s. They looked around for people to contact and quoted
> them. Unfortunately, the writer didn't get it nor did the people he
> contacted.
>
> If they really wanted to get it right, they would have had to ask around
> in a manner of "is there some old fart that worked on mainframes in the
> 60s that knows about 2-byte dates?" But let's face it, magazine article
> writers don't do this. Really, is some author going to ask anybody on
> this or any other list about PCs or speak to and quote Bill Gates?
Gerry,
You cry a big cry that many of the people do.
It is not specifically where the Internet goes, it is where the media
goes.
The situation is very bad and becominbg worse every year.
It has nothing to do with the success of Accmail and similar lists, the
reason for the loss of power is different in my view, and I shall come to
that later.
The media is interested in Bill Gates' words not because their contents,
The content itself is of less importance. We are talking about a
celebrity!!! A rich, famous, and powerful person.
Bill Gates worked hard until he became a celebrity.
Media sometimes build a celebrity out of nothing.
Once the person is a celebrity people will be interested in his/her views.
It is more interesting than to know the views of some Gerry Boyd that
no one have ever heard of (more or less). The content of the discussion is
of less relevance.
Well at least if I could trust what is written in the newspapers to give
me a sincere picture...
A claim that "Steven Hawking has a new idea for a model and one of its
outlines is the addition of one more source of arbitrariness, and that in
a recent conference he tried to convince that the idea is good enough for
making more research in this direction" is not an interesting news. a
claim that "Steven Hawking claimes in a recent conference that he
succeeded to prove, that Einstein was wrong in his thoery that god does
not play with a dice" is an interesting story - this is an example of an
article that I saw once in Times magazine and its relation with the true
story, (The story about Einstein here is also presented incorrectly).
It's ok with me if people are not interested in programming or in
Internet protocols. One person is interested in painting, another in
computation, another one in History of education, and another one in
music. Anyway we don't have enough time for things that we like.
The Internet is an impressive tool for whatever you wish, Painting,
computation, history of education, music, and you can also contribute in
each of those fields on the Internet and even without knowing what is
nslookup. I on the list that I maintain (Help-Net) I contribute for those
who are interested in Internet as itself, (although I also wish that there
were more questions which are not for solving specific problems).
But if people treat the Internet as a no-more-than-a-tool for discussing
recording techniques, that's fine with me.
What bothers me on the Internet are two things:
a) Its commercialization.
The reason why I believe Accmail as well as Help-Net lose subscribers, is
because people did not heard of those lists. Today you need to use
somewhat aggressive advertisements if you want people to hear about your
list - it is not enough to announce it on New-List and Liszt.
and what happen if you are against aggresive advertisement? most people
will not hear of your list. I'm bothered with that.
This situatuation becomes worse when you hear that search engine and
announcement sites receive money for giving recommendations or giving a
better weight for specific sites.
PC related lists will be always more popular but for a legitimate reason,
non-technical people suddenly need to maintain their computer.
b) Second thing is what I call zapping culture. Part of it is the
Internet, part of it, is the other media, part of it, is the rapid
technology change (A la Alvin Toffler "The future shock").
We learn to use a pecific program and one year later there is a much
smarter one waiting for us to master.
On the end of our era, we replace all the time technologies with new and
better ones, and as a result we never have the time to master one.
You want to stay with one and master it? you can't! Techonolgy assumes
that you change with it. This what allows development to be cheap.
Part of it, is commercial motivation. Part of it is us.
We don't have the time to master something.
You could be a master in making shoes. It was worthy at that time. No
longer. You could be a master in MSDOS. less people will be care about
that.
As a result of this thing, people (besides what is related to their job)
are no longer interested in getting deep into anything.
The Internet gives you so much, that what you mostly do is zapping
(reading a few lines about y2k, contributing those two lines to others,
there is no time to get in deep in anything. Everything is learned on the
surface. Part of it is also related to the media.
I get each week some news in idg.net and in news.com .
It's written there something like "Sony joined some other company to
develop new technology that will replace MP3.
"Hmm", I say, "Interesting". I jump to the web site to read the story, it
says the same thing as in the title and another line of info, and many
quotes. I had to wait a few minutes in order to get a big article that
doesn't tell me much more than its title.
Uzi
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:25:32 +0300
From: Dan Platon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Failed mail & KFS
Hi,
I gave up to use KFS because of failure messages
Have a nice day,
Dan
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:53:44 +0300
From: Dan Platon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Content versus point-and-click
> Gerald E. Boyd wrote the following:
>
> From the questions that appear on this list and others that I belong
> to, nobody nowadays is much interested in computing history. All the
> questions appear to relate to how does some M$ product work, how to
> make a web page, and how to fix some software or hardware problem.
>
> The PC with Windows and the 'net has become a point-and-click medium
> with no thought behind how any of it works -- and nobody much cares any
> way.
>
> How many people even care about programming? -- not many I'd guess...
>
OOO
As I have read some time ago there are 2 kind of Internet users:
1. < 30 years;
2. > 30 years.
The first are more interested in point-and-click and the second one
in contents.
Is obviously the under 30 years Internet users are more then the others but
that means nothings. This list is owned by the second and much more that
the second group educate the first.
I have read maybe on MEME something like "In the ASCII time kids was kings",
at the end the author wrote his teacher have not even install C++ in the
late '90s. The programming is more complex now and individuals have to give up.
The average lifetime for a Web page is 180 days, but someone says the good
WWW page is that one who last, and his pages last from 1996 and more years
to past more audience.
Is maybe not mainframe versus PC but both contents and point-and-click.
That is my point and sorry for the poor english.
Have a nice day,
Dan
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:52:14 EDT
From: David Ames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Yugoslavia
A couple of weeks ago, this list took note of a German university site
which posted recent developments in Yugoslavia.
Today's Boston Globe mentions an organization Justwatch, which deals with
information on the world's trouble spots, at this time particularly
including Kosovo. It is stated that Justwatch's bulging news archives
are indexed and available at
listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/justwatch-l.html
It is unclear whether this archive provides a means of subscribing to the
list. The newspaper states, however, that Justwatch subscribers have to
apply in writing. The organizer of Justwatch is Andreas Riedlmayer, who
has testified before Congress and the United Nations war crimes tribunal
at the Hague on cultural destruction in warfare.
David Ames
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:59:55 EDT
From: David Ames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic: Gerald E. Boyd stories
Yes, I worked on 80-column cards. I know who the BUNCH were: Burroughs,
Univac, NCR, Control Data, Honeywell. I also know that experience on
BUNCH machines
doesn't get me a job in an IBM shop. Not now, nor even then before I
became flatus antiquus -- yes, nominative case is correct, and I presume
flatus is second-declension and not fourth.
Someone mentioned optimizing code -- actually, said not to mention it. I
heard about a novice programmer who ran into problems on his first job.
He thought he was supposed to suboptimize the subroutines. :-) You see,
I didn't mention it.
David Ames
--
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:01:26 +0100
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:10:58 +0600
From: Chrishantha Gunawardena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MONITORING PROGRAM
At 22:04 1999-04-18 -0300, you wrote:
>Hello ACCMAILERS:
>
>I'm looking for a programme to "monitoring de dial-up connections
>(INTERNET CONECTIONS)".
>
>Thanks
>Jonat=E1n Galletti
You Can use NeoTrace for this. It's about 1.5 MB and can be downloded at
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:00:44 +0200
From: "Vacquier, Marco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories
>The Y2K stuff really started in earnest about 1990
Here in The Netherlands it was already a problem in 1970. In this
country it is
not common to buy a house / appartment with self saved money, but we
take a
mortgage. These mortgages usually run for 30 years. As 30 years with
such an
amount of money is a big financial risk for the house owner, the
mortgage banks
force you to take a life insurance. However, these banks are forbidden
to force
you where you buy a life insurance. So 30 years ago, the mortgage banks,
and the
life insurance companies here hit their heads on this problem and dealt
with it.
To keep the computer community groing and going, we need good
programmers, and
good users. Giving free advice is a good start to educate both types of
computerists. Look at Linux. Being Open Source, it forced programmers to
program
good or else other people alter the bad programmed parts. In my free
time I volunteer at workshops at a computerclub to help users in
how to use programs. It keeps people using their computers as computers
instead as
dust collectors. I've seen too many dust collecting computers in my life
:(
I like the teaching of computer history here, and wished that more
people could read it. As a professional software tester, I study other
peoples code at assembly
code level, and find similar errors over and over again, which I have to
patch.
BTW, my job has nothing to do with Y2K issues, but more with badly
converterted 16
to 32 bit code.
Bye,
Marco Vacquier.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:07:53 +0200
From: Marc Loehrwald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Setting up Autoresponder
William,
> You may want to check out: DragonLinux It is a free Linux
> that runs on top of DOS.
It's not really running on top of DOS, it's running from a DOS-Partition
of your HD. By that it runs much slower as from a native Linux ext2-FS.
I checked their Site and found the following under Support:
> Known Issues/Bugs
>
> PPP is broken
>
> Somehow PPP didn't get compiled into the kernel. I will get
> replacement kernels available for download soon.
That takes you the most common opportunity to contact your
mailservers.
If you really want to check out Linux get a "real" Distribution that
gives you the possibilies to compile a kernel, that fits your needs.
Marc
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Fax: +49-40-2780-9402
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:33:30 +0800
From: =?gb2312?B?t+u8zLar?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how could i update my mr.cool's data files and how could i get exe
files?
hello,everyone,
i am a rookie and i have two question,
the one is how could i update my mr.cool's data files?
the other one is how could i get a exe file like address:
http://zfiles.zj.cninfo.net/new/download/Magics25.zip
Best regards
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:52:56 +0200
From: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bergstr=F8m?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories
Gerald E. Boyd wrote:
> How many people even care about programming? -- not many I'd guess...
>
I think there are more than you suspect, we just don't have the patience to
cope with the questions that are becomming common on this list.
BTW. does anybody know of any list about computer history and/or programming
without M$ annoyance, and how to subscribe by e-mail.
May you all live long and spamless,
Andreas Bergstr�m
--
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:36:01 +0200
From: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bergstr=F8m?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Composers by e-mail
I am looking for information about composers like James Swearingen
and D. Ployhar. Does anybody know how I can find something about them by e-mail,
altavista and metacrawler has let me down so far.
Thanks in advance.
May you all live long and spamless,
Andreas Bergstr�m
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:59:00 -0600
From: "Ariel O. Famadas Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Is very easy with mailserver, but how...?
I'm trying to get a part of a file using [EMAIL PROTECTED], but the
results are not so good than i want.
Can anyone tell me what i'm doing wrong ?
The message i sent:
chdir ftp.online.be/raid/freebsd/incoming/
mailquota 3M
encoder uuencode
partsize 30k
parts 1
send frontpage98.arj
The message i've recieve:
> chdir ftp.online.be/raid/freebsd/incoming/
* Directory validity sense reported error on
`/ftp.online.be/raid/freebsd/incoming'
** Previous command terminated with serious enough error,
** Rest of the input is flushed.
> mailquota 3M
> encoder uuencode
> partsize 30k
> parts 1
> send frontpage98.arj
Count of input lines: 8
Did 1 command(s)
command processing program exited with ERROR status: 65
Resource usages:
Self: Utime: 0.027, Stime: 0.103
Children: Utime: 0.026, Stime: 0.033
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:33:54 EDT
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off topic Gerald E. Boyd stories
On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:52:56 +0200 Andreas Bergstr�m wrote:
>BTW. does anybody know of any list about computer history and/or programming
>without M$ annoyance, and how to subscribe by e-mail.
This list is the discussion forum for the American Association for
History and Computing (AAHC). The AAHC aims to support and encourage
the productive use of electronic technology across all fields of
historical endeavor. The AAHC discussion list will provide a moderated
venue for all comments, conversations, questions, and announcements
related to the union of history and electronic technology. It is part
of a group of lists in the field operated by EH.Net, a chartered
organization.
You can mail a request for an "info" file to the server address,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Put this single line in the mail message:
info histcomp
The other history sites I know about are all web pages. I also belong to
a computing history site but it's specific to the US state of California
called the CHAC (Computer History Association of California).
--
Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:18:05 EDT
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Composers by e-mail
On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:36:01 +0200 Andreas Bergstr�m wrote:
>I am looking for information about composers like James Swearingen
>and D. Ployhar. Does anybody know how I can find something about them by e-mail,
>altavista and metacrawler has let me down so far.
These band compositions are by James Swearingen:
All Glory Told
Allred Honour March
Aventura
Blue Ridge Saga
Brooke Park
Celebration and Dance
Chesford Portrait
Classic Overture
Covington Square
Exaltation
Invicta
Lexington March
Light Eternal
Northpointe Fantasy
Of Pride and Celebration
Rough Rider March
Trails of Glory
United Nations March
Found plenty of band pages referring to him and this site that appears
to be his home pages:
http://www.capital.edu/conserv/conjswearingenbio.htm
http://www.capital.edu/person/jswearin/jswearinhp.htm
James D. Ployhar is listed on this web page for the Blacksburg Community
Band Music Library August 1997. Several of his arrangements are shown:
http://www.bev.net/community/NRAC/perform/bbcbmusic.html
An annotated biography is available at:
http://www.und.nodak.edu/instruct/knorman/521/composer.html
--
Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:31:31 +0200
From: Jan Wagemakers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kfs, failed mail?
Hello,
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Neville Jenkinson wrote:
> Hey Jan, that way gets you one url, but what if you want more.
> Do you use the body and does it work?
I have never tried to use the body. However, recently I have send a
request to kfs and I had forgotten to erase my signature in the body of
my message. And kfs has send me back the webpage I have requested by the
'send'-command _AND_ the webpage in my signature. So, I asume that the
'body' is also working.
Regards - Jan Wagemakers -
Internet : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://bewoner.dma.be/JanW (Linux & Assembler)
Fidonet : 2:292/854.19
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:16:32 -0400
From: "Pedro J. Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: news via email
Hi,
I am trying to access newsgroup via email, but there are several "details" I
cann't fix :-( ...
1- Is it posible to "download" news posting within a particular news server
via www4mail ?
e.g,
---
to: www4mail@...
body:
news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.director.lingo
---
2- How to post a message to a particular news server via a mail2news gateway
?
TIA,
Pedro J.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:42:51 PDT
From: "Jerel D. Arbaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Only getting 143 of 244 parts...
}Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:22:58 +0800
}From: Zhong Xiao Jun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
}Subject: Help me to stop it
}
}Once upon a time, I asked a file from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
}Unfortunately, the file is too big and server divided it into 244 parts.
But
}I can only get 143 parts of it. Can anybody tell me why?
}What's more, the most terrible thing happen. Almost everyday till now, I
}will receive a copy of the 143 parts. What a ****!!!! Can anybody here
tell
}me how to stop it?
}Thanks a lot.
}
The most likely cause of this is if your ISP side mail box is filling up,
causing the other 101 parts to bounce. To test for this, try setting a
different part size.
}An interesting is, I found almost all the questions were answered by our
}moderator. Where're other peoples?:-) So dear moderator, can you tell me
how
}many hours do you spend in answering the questions from accmailers, if
this
}question will not bother you.
}
Three reasons for the moderator to answer:
1: He sees it first, in that he must approve it to be posted to the list.
2: If he answers, it will likely come before others see it, and the
others will likely see his answer and not comment further.
3: He likely is keeping up better than most with the current answer, as
often these answers change with time.
On the other hand, even when the answer appears to arrive late, like this
one, it is often good to get more than one answer to a question. This is
because more than one wording of essentially the same answer can help
some one understand a concept, and a different, but also correct, answer
can help form alternate methods of attacking a problem, that may work
better for some.
Also, due partly to the limited english of some of the posters of
questions here, some times the question is misunderstood. More than one
person reading the question may see different questions. With more than
one answer, it is more likely that the real question will be answered.
The primary reason for fewer than usual number of answers here is likely
burn-out: most posters are getting tired of re-re-re answering questions
that are fully covered in the FAQ lists.
All of this is just my humble opinion.
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| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jerel.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:14:59 EDT
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Only getting 143 of 244 parts...
On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:42:51 PDTJerel D. Arbaugh wrote:
>Three reasons for the moderator to answer:
>
>1: He sees it first, in that he must approve it to be posted to the list.
>
>2: If he answers, it will likely come before others see it, and the
>others will likely see his answer and not comment further.
>
>3: He likely is keeping up better than most with the current answer, as
>often these answers change with time.
Not a bad list. However, many of the answers that I provide are only in
those things that interest me at the moment. Some types of questions I
never answer -- usually those that have to do with chat, ICQ, video,
graphics, games, sound, movies, or any others that I happen to consider
time-wasting activities.
I'm also starting to pass on all the basic questions and allow the other
users to answer.
--
Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:49:48 +0300
From: Gabriel Teodorescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: free pop3 mail account
I was wondering where could I find a list with providers of this type of
service. I know only of usa.net which is no longer free.
I believe Mr. Boyd posted a list some time ago. Could you, please, repost it
if it isn't much trouble?
Thanks in advance,
--
Gabriel Teodorescu
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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