There are 11 messages totalling 439 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
2. Is it possible to download email from yahoo.com or usa.net offline ?
3. Downloading images with downloadslave (2)
4. [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Alas, another service gone :-(
5. My e-mail provider turns into ISP
6. what is www.netzero.net?
7. DejaNews via Juno Mail?
8. DOWNLOADSLAVE (2)
9. Again about FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics - Pro and Con's
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:02:01 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics for Thu 24 Jun 1999, posted Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:00:47
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:57:20 +0430
From: "Mohammad R. Arjomandi Lari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is it possible to download email from yahoo.com or usa.net offline
?
At Tuesday, June 22, 1999 11:11 AM, Andrew E.Pastukhov
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the following:
>Let's say you have a free email at yahoo.com, usa.net or somewhere else. To
>dowload email you need to make several steps:
>1. To login
>2. To select proper folder
>3. To select message
>4. To kill message
>5. Back to the folder and repeat step 4-5 until the messages exist.
>All these steps have their URLs.
>During all that the connection should be established to provide continious
>session for saving your login information. How can I do this by email
>and with what server?
Dear Andrew,
This is not an exact reply, but may be helpful.
Last ago, when I had online Internet access, I had many free email accounts
in yahoo, hotmail, etc. Then I had offline (email) access only. I questioned
Help-Net about finding any way to forward my emails in that servers to my
new email account (in nasim.com), and G. E. Boyd answered (I have lost his
exact reply):
"I read Hotmail help, and it seems there is no way to forward emails from
that server."
Regards,
Mohammad R. Arjomandi
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:30:18 +0800
From: Andi Siregar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Downloading images with downloadslave
Gerry wrote:
>>Can I get Web pages with all its pictures and graphic
>> with downloadslave.?
>Nope...
>Dr. Valerio Di Stefano wrote:
>Images from the web page(s) are sent with downloadslave by separated
>mail, with "Base 64" uuencoding.
But I've never get this separated mail. Is there any other syntax to get
this?
Andi Siregar
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:51:36 +0200
From: Rick Swartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Alas, another service gone :-(
Hi ACCMAILers, here is a reply I received from [EMAIL PROTECTED] today:
As of June 23, 1999, this service is no longer supported by Quote.Com. Please
visit us at http://www.quote.com for quotes, news, streaming charts and much
more.
--
Quote.Com http:www.quote.com
The Network for The Investing Revolution
--
Rick S.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:17:16 +0200
From: Frits Westra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: My e-mail provider turns into ISP
Hello all,
I just received word from my Dutch e-mail account provider "Hetnet"
that they will throw in full internet access for old clients like me.
In the first year I won't have to pay anything extra for this service,
subscription cost will remain 60 DFL per year. New clients will have
to pay 90 DFL per year, which is still cheap for Dutch standards. The
future will show how their bandwidth compares to other ISPs in this
country.
I'll stay on the Accmail list however. In August 1998 I was still an
absolute beginner, and at times a desparate beginner. After I had
filled almost two 1.44 MB diskettes with help files and faqs, to which
you listers, and especially Gerry Boyd, kindly pointed me, I slowly
came to grips with Accmail methods. For a non-computer-guru /
non-internet-guru like me it has NOT been a piece of cake, to be
honest.
But during the past 10 months, thanks to help posted to this Accmail
list, I've developed quite some skill in Accmail methods, and in fact
I began to like it more and more! And thinking of the 2000 or so
websites I must have retrieved by e-mail, I'm convinced that www by
e-mail has spared me quite some online time. You in the USA may not be
aware of it, but for most people in Europe and elsewhere in the world
local phone calls to an ISP are not free. We have to pay for our
online time by the second.
I think I'll remain an Accmailer and use my internet access only to
fill out forms on the web. After the demise of [EMAIL PROTECTED],
filling out forms by e-mail has become a problem for me. I haven't
mastered the www4mail method yet.
Read you later,
Frits Westra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Net-Tamer V 1.11.2 - Registered
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:45:04 PDT
From: "Jerel D. Arbaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: what is www.netzero.net?
}Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 15:35:08 -0400
}From: azuaje <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
}
}Hy everybody,
}
}I met an ad about http://www.netzero.net/. They offer free Internet
}access and email account services (???), but in order to gain access to
}these services you have to install a netzero.exe file in your HD. I
}enter their site but there is no FAQ. I'm reluctant to install exe files
}from dubious origin. If any person know what is it about or has any
}clue, I'll be gratefull to any provided information regarding this
}issue.
}
}Thanks.
}
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netzero is real: It only runs on W9x, as the software places an AD banner
on your screen. This can be relocated, for when you need to see around
it, but must be on your screen while connected. It is the ads in this
banner that pay for the service. They snoop the URL of what you are
looking at to decide what ad to display. I think they may still send a
CD with the software, and more than one browser, if you ask. There is a
netzero mailing list, I think it is on [EMAIL PROTECTED], that may
give more info. That list is run by users, not netzero!
Good Luck!
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| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jerel.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:00:43 -0500
From: Lloyd Colston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DejaNews via Juno Mail?
I am able to get DejaNews at my Juno account. Just did it this
week as a matter of fact.
> Is there a way to get DejaNews via e-mail without receiving attachments? I
> have an account there (I used to use it while I was in school), but since
> I use Juno now and can't get or send attachments, I don't know if I can
> access it via e-mail. Can I or do you have to be able to use attachments?
> If you can, please let me know how.
>
> Thanks
> Matt
>
> On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:25:43 -0700 "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes: >Other than MyDeja from DejaNews (which requires a web page for
> >subscription) email only users don't have any more options except for
> >gophermail methods.
>
Lloyd Colston Excellence is not an accident
Pryor, OK USA social worker, writer, editor
http://ld.net/6.9/kc5fm 6.9-cent domestic long distance
KC5FM Home page http://www.Lloyd.Colston.com/
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:56:51 +0400
From: de Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DOWNLOADSLAVE
Is it possible to split downloads to more manageable sizes with
Downloadslave?
Linton
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:23:10 +0300
From: "Ma. Cri." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Again about FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics - Pro and Con's
Sorry if this issue is not of interest for everybody, but there have
already been discutions about Steve's daily satistics.
Me, I don't use them as they are, as soon as I get the digest, I delete them.
OK, you will say this is only a personal opinion, just one subscriber out
of the 3,000 or so, consequently it doesn't matter.
But there are also some hard FACTS to be considered:
1. Undoubtely, the information concerning the response time of diferent
servers IS useful. But:
2. As Sriram N. A. pointed out, "The logs are even getting quite large..."
and this creates problems for Juno users or other people with resticted
mailbox capacity. Of course, the 2K statistics are not the worst offender -
too long quotings are the real cause.
3. As K Sethu has shown, the statistics presented in the ACCMAIL digest
have a big delay, they are 23 hours old! This make them USELESS for daily use.
It is like if I subscribe to a wheather bulletin. Of course, I want to know
what time it will be tomorrow, or at least if today, NOW, it rains or how
hot it is outdoors. But owing to the big delay, in fact I get the
meteorological information from ... yesterday!
3. Some divisions are not fine enough, i.e "Less than 1 hour" may sometimes
not be accurate enough. Let me explain: in my country, by night the
telephone billing unit is 10 minutes long. So once I esteblished the
connection with the ISP, it is the same to me if it lasts 30 seconds or all
of the 10 minutes. I have seen that sometimes, if I send requests to
www4mail servers, I receive the message INSIDE the ten minutes interval.
So, it would be useful to know accurately if the answer to the request will
come during one, two or three 10-minute intervals.
4. I said the statistics are useful, but the actual ones, not from yesterday.
So, when I want to know the time lag of the servers, I use the "get file
stats.txt" command.
5.Finally, a matter of detail: grouping the stats by response time alone is
not very meaningful. The sorting criterion should have been the FUNCTION, I
mean:
1. agora
a less than one hour
b 1-4 hours
c less than 10 hours
...
2. FTMmail
a less than one hour
b 1-4 hours
...
3. Web4Mail
a less than one hour
b 1-4 hours
Conclusion: the delayed statistics ARE still useful as a guide, so they
should be posted once or twice a week (letting us know which servers are
defunct, etc.), but NOT every day!
Regards,
Ma. Cri.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:17:22 -0700
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DOWNLOADSLAVE
At 11:56 AM 6/25/99 +0400, de Silva wrote the following:
>Is it possible to split downloads to more manageable sizes with
>Downloadslave?
Nope...
This server has no options whatsoever. You just send a URL (current is
3 maximum) and receive a file. No MIME, no splitting of long URL
lines, no parts, no file splits, no web page images (contrary to what
some one else said I have never received one), etc.
The current maximum file size is 10,000Kb or 10Mb.
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:20:30 -0700
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Downloading images with downloadslave
At 03:30 PM 6/25/99 +0800, Andi Siregar wrote the following:
>---------------------- Information from the mail header
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>Sender: ACCMAIL Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Poster: Andi Siregar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Downloading images with downloadslave
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>Gerry wrote:
>
>>>Can I get Web pages with all its pictures and graphic
>>> with downloadslave.?
>>Nope...
>
>>Dr. Valerio Di Stefano wrote:
>
>>Images from the web page(s) are sent with downloadslave by separated
>>mail, with "Base 64" uuencoding.
>
>But I've never get this separated mail. Is there any other syntax to get
>this?
Got me. I've never received a web page image either.
This server has no options whatsoever. You just send a URL (current is
3 maximum) and receive a file. No MIME, no splitting of long URL
lines, no parts, no file splits, no web page images (contrary to what
some one else said I have never received one), etc.
The current maximum file size is 10,000Kb or 10Mb.
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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