There are 12 messages totalling 622 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. No more ftp via gopher...
2. FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
3. GetWeb servers (2)
4. html reader (2)
5. Different uses for different search engines
6. emailfetch.com REFUNCT? (2)
7. free phone and e-mail
8. NEWS: New Newsgroup site
9. Fidonet test
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:14:43 +0000
From: "McDade, Christopher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No more ftp via gopher...
The server is still working because I just now grabbed a 6meg file using
this.
are you sure you have put the correct Host?
Try this way.
Split=512K
Name=blahblah
Type=9
Port=70
Path=GET /xxx/file.zip
Host=ftp.lemonxxx
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harun (KPC) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> Subject: No more ftp via gopher...
>
> My request:
>
> Split=512K
> Name=ftp.lemonxxx
> Type=9
> Port=70
> Path=GET /xxx/file.zip
> Host=gopher.eunet.cz
>
> I wonder why I didn't receive my request file.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: The devil himself [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 6:16 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: ftp
> >
> > This is response to your request with Subject: ftp.lemon.dynip.com
> > Mail this file back to gopher with an X before the menu items that you
> > want.
> > If you don't mark any items, gopher will send all of them.
> >
> >
> > Dear gophermail user,
> > we are going to keep this service running and free of charge.
> > But we've decided to put an advertising field into all replies.
> > The field won't be so long, more less like this notice, and
> > will include only plain text data. If you don't like this,
> > please don't use our service.
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jan Hrdonka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > EUnet Czechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:01:20 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics for Thu 12 Aug 1999, posted Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:00:26
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:58:08 +0800
From: "Richard Glenn R. Aceron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: GetWeb servers
Crossposted to Accmail and Help-Net,
Hello,
I just got good news. Did you know that the two getweb servers that are
declared as defunct still works? Well, I just got reply from one of them
today. I never would have found out were it not for this message from Alan
of seeknfind. But please do use these servers only for filling out forms. I
do not want us to go back using those www4mail servers again because I
frankly find getweb so much easier.
>From: "Alan S. Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>I noticed in a certain list archives that it had been reported that the
>GetWeb server at emailfetch.com was defunct. I just wanted to report
>that both Getweb servers at emailfetch.com and usa.healthnet.org are
>working fine. I was just now able to retrieve web pages using both
>services.
>
>Would anyone whom subscribes to ACCMAIL and Help-Net please forward
>this message to those respective mailing lists.
>
>Thanks.
>
--
Richard Glenn R. Aceron
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove
all doubt." - =|:-)=
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:47:40 +0500
From: "Dr. S K Choudhary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: html reader
Please tell me where I can get a good html reader, one that I can use with
www4mail forms. I don't want to load Netscape Communicator because of space
constraints ( also, my computer is already slow enough)
Thank you
Sulochona
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:53:48 +0500
From: "Dr. S K Choudhary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Different uses for different search engines
Thanks Gerry, for the repost.
( I was afraid you'd ask me to go through ALL the archives or something !)
Sulochona
At 02:25 PM 8/12/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Yahoo -- when I'm clueless and need a category. This should only be used
>Liszt - when I want to find a mailing list.
>
>and more and more....
Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:35:28 -0700
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GetWeb servers
At 10:58 AM 8/13/99 +0800, Richard Glenn R. Aceron wrote the following:
>Crossposted to Accmail and Help-Net,
>
>Hello,
>
>I just got good news. Did you know that the two getweb servers that are
>declared as defunct still works? Well, I just got reply from one of them
>today. I never would have found out were it not for this message from
Alan
>of seeknfind. But please do use these servers only for filling out
forms. I
>do not want us to go back using those www4mail servers again because I
>frankly find getweb so much easier.
For about the umpteeth time you didn't receive good news. The two Agora
servers are not listed as defunct. One was possibly listed as defunct
when the I contacted the owner at emailfetch and he stated this on 7Aug99:
"With Linux Redhat 5.2, things have been going from bad to worse.
Right now
the system is virtually down. I will be trying to rebuild using the
old OS.
If and when this comes up, I'll let you know."
Because of this I notified the list members that the site is possibly
defunct. I did not receive a confirmation from the owner that it was up
and functioning fully.
The Healthnet getweb server is limited to Health Professionals and
users from domains other than dot-COM and dot-NET domains. This is in
the NEW policy statement. I received the information from the Chief
Information Officer in Apr99:
Get Web Policy statement
GetWeb was developed by SatelLife, a non-profit organization based in
Boston, Massachusetts, USA. SatelLife's mission is to provide information
and communications services to health professionals in developing
countries. Because direct Internet access is both limited and costly in
developing countries, GetWeb was designed so that World Wide Web pages can
be retrieved via e-mail, thereby saving time and money.
If you are a health, medical, social service, development, or health
informatics professional anywhere in the world - regardless of how you
obtain your email service -- you can continue to enjoy free access to
GetWeb. We also extend our service to users who are visually impaired.
However, to help us manage the system and its use, we ask that you
register
in the SatelLife HealthNet Database of Health Professionals. The
registration form is included below.
SATELLIFE HEALTHNET DATABASE OF HEALTH PROFESSIONALS REGISTRATION FORM
The SatelLife HealthNet Database of Health Professionals serves as an
information resource for people who are interested in health in the
developing world. You can add your profile to the database by completing
the registration form below. Health professionals registered in the
database will be able to:
** access the information services offered by SatelLife including our
global electronic discussion groups, electronic publications, and GetWeb
** act as a resource contact by choosing to make your profile, including
your name, profession, occupational specialty and email address, available
so that others can contact you as a resource person. If you wish to remain
invisible you can do so.
** receive periodic updates on health issues in the developing world
Privacy of information
SatelLife values the privacy of our users and will make every effort to
prevent spamming and other unauthorized use of the database. The
information you provide will not be sold or distributed to advertisers.
The
data provided will help us to inform registered members about current and
new services, develop new features based on user preferences, and contact
members for comment.
Please complete all the items in the registration form below. Thank you!
(Mark an 'X' wherever applicable)
Full name: [ ]
Organization: [ ]
Country: [ ]
Email address: [ ]
Profession: [ ]
Occupational category: (choose ONLY one)
Clinical [ ]
Public Health [ ]
Health Management [ ]
Drugs and Medical supplies [ ]
Information Systems [ ]
Other (specify) [ ]
Main Specialty: [ ]
Area of interest: [ ]
Preferred language(s): English [ ] French [ ] Spanish [ ]
Would you like to be a Resource Contact: Yes [ ] No [ ]
(If you choose 'yes', you will make yourself available to others for
networking. Your name, profession, occupational specialty, area of
interest, and email address will be made available)
Send the completed form to the following email address:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
And in another message from the Chief Information Officer at Healtnet I
received this posting where they where going to restict access from
dot-COM and dot-NET domains:
"The GetWeb server receives about 4,000 requests a day which tends to
overload the system. The .com and .net domains represented a large
proportion of the users who requested a staggering number of documents.
In
the industrialised world, where the majority of .com and .net users exist,
there are other ways in which one can get information. This is just not so
for the people we work with in Africa, Asia and Latin America."
So either the policy has changed (but not for me) or somebody is
declaring themself to be a health professional (I'm not) or they are
not in a dot-COM or dot-NET domain.
I always go to the source or copy exactly the messages I receive before
I make a statement that a service is DEFUNCT, has had a policy change,
or is restricted.
--
Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:22:47 +0600
From: K Sethu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: emailfetch.com REFUNCT?
At 11:29:57 -0700, Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Gerald E. Boyd wrote :
>I too received a reply this morning but I posted my message after
>contacting the owner of the site who had this to say:
>
>"With Linux Redhat 5.2, things have been going from bad to worse.
>Right now
>the system is virtually down. I will be trying to rebuild using the
>old OS.
>If and when this comes up, I'll let you know."
>
>So I warned people that the site might possibly be defunct until I
>received confrimation that it was back up and running. However, I
>received no confirmation until this morning when I unexpectedly
>recieved a request that I had sent.
>
Glad to note that emailfetch.com may be still undead, but I am curious
to know somethings - As I had not used any getweb servers much, just to
get an idea on quota, on 07 Aug 99, I had sent the HELP QUOTA message
to both usa.healthnet.org and emailfetch.com getweb servers.
The healthnet.org replied immediately indicating their current quota for
most users is 200 per week. From emailfetch.com I got the late reply
with date stamp : Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:12:41 -0500.
Comparing the two replies, I found the message body in them to be
IDENTICAL but for 2 differences : 1) The reply of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says : "Access to pages at healthnet.org and msh.org not counted towards
quota." whereas from emailfetch.com it is : "Access to pages at healthnet.org
are not counted towards quota." 2) The second difference is emailfetch.com
is less generous with current quota - only 2 per week compared to 200
for healthnet.org. But for these, the two messages are identical (including
a word with a typo error - "Wedensday") and so I can conclude easily that
they both are run by one organisation.
I had not kept track of changes to these servers, but were these two
servers managed by one party for a long time or is it a case of recent
takeover of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] by healthnet.org ?
Secondly wasn't access to this [EMAIL PROTECTED] restricted to
only health professionals in the past?
K Sethu
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:41:44 +0800
From: LAM Chi-fung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: free phone and e-mail
Hello all, recently someone on this list talk about a service which
provide free e-mail and phone no.
And even it has text to speech, speech to text service...(ie can
receive/send e-mail on phone)
I lose the message and the URL, can anyone provide the URL to me again ?
thanks a lot.
Regds
LAM Chi-fung
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:54:47 -0700
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: emailfetch.com REFUNCT?
At 11:22 PM 8/13/99 +0600, K Sethu wrote the following:
>I had not kept track of changes to these servers, but were these two
>servers managed by one party for a long time or is it a case of recent
>takeover of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] by healthnet.org ?
emailfetch.com is a private company that charges a fee for unlimited
services. The Getweb software is freely available and that is what this
site has installed. Because the original Getweb software was developed
at Heatlhnet (by Rolf Nelson), most of the messages (including typos)
would be the same. The only differences are the quotas and the for
profit motive of emailfetch.com.
>Secondly wasn't access to this [EMAIL PROTECTED] restricted to
>only health professionals in the past?
They changed their policy in January and again in April of 1999. You
are supposed to be a Health professional and not have a dot-COM or
dot-NET address. It looks like something may have changed again even
though the policy document has not changed nor does their web page
state a change. I have received no new information from their Chief
Information Officer whom with I corresponded in the past.
--
Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:33:37 -0700
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: html reader
At 03:47 PM 8/9/99 +0500, Dr. S K Choudhary wrote the following:
>Please tell me where I can get a good html reader, one that I can use
with
>www4mail forms. I don't want to load Netscape Communicator because of
space
>constraints ( also, my computer is already slow enough)
Then try Opera -- it's small and compact and does just about everything.
Unfortunately, I don't have a simple location to tell you where to
downalod. The homw web page for you is: http://www.opera.com/index.html
--
Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:35:37 -0700
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NEWS: New Newsgroup site
Accmailers,
A new web site that allows reading and posting to Usenet called e-News
is now available for web-based users. The bad news is that the site
uses frames. The good news is that I got the unframed web page and it
uses a GET method rather than a POST. So at least you should be able to
get the newsgroups. It allows both for finding a particular newsgroup
or reading one.
Currently 39,114 usenet newsgroups are located here. If you want a list
of them (163K zip file) then use this address:
http://free.dorm.org//dnews/all_groups.zip
The site page [unframed] you want to retrieve is this one for www4mail
forms:
http://free.dorm.org/dnews/rr_news/dnewsweb.exe
Here is a copy of the stripped web page for those of you that want to
use Agora methods...
send http://free.dorm.org/
<form method="GET" action="/dnews/rr_news/dnewsweb.exe">
<input type="hidden" name="utag" value="">
Search for newsgroups by keyword: (jobs, trucks, software, etc.)
<input type="text" name="wild" size="14">
<input name="cmd_grpsearch" type="submit" value="Search">
Read a specific newsgroup: (alt.binaries.pictures, rec.motorcycles, etc.)
<input type="text" name="group" size="24">
<input name="cmd_read" type="submit" value="Read">
</form>
The posting form is on the returned results...
For fun, I used a www4mail server and used this request to search the
alt.comp.blind-users Usenet newsgroup.
>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:19:02 -0700
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>get
http://free.dorm.org/dnews/rr_news/dnewsweb.exe?utag=&group=alt.comp.\
>blind-users&cmd_read=Read
Here are the returned results (in part):
Items in alt.comp.blind-users
Latest Items Post
1010966 [2]Re: pc upgrade advice - Derek Hornby , 13 Aug 1999
1010964 [3]Microsoft Text to Speech - "colin knope" , 13 Aug 1999
1010965 [4]Re: Microsoft Text to Speech - [EMAIL PROTECTED], 13 Aug
1999
1010962 [5]Re: a follow up to my newsgroups qon - "Kristof Burek" , 13
Aug 1999
1010961 [6]Re: outlook express 5 help needed - "Kristof Burek" , 13 Aug
1999
1010955 [7]PINE & newsgroups - Ann Tate , 12 Aug 1999
1010953 [8]Re: Jaws changed my colors - Michael W Morgan, 12 Aug 1999
1010954 [9]Re: Jaws changed my colors - John , 12 Aug 1999
1010958 [10]Re: Jaws changed my colors - Joseph C. Lininger, 12 Aug
1999
[snip to 31 items returned]
The posting form was on this web page:
http://free.dorm.org/dnews/rr_news/dnewsweb.exe?utag=&group=alt.comp.bli
nd-users&from_up=&from_down=1010906&cmd_post=Post
The unstripped web page looks like this:
<form ENCTYPE="multipart/form-data" method=post
action="/dnews/rr_news/dnewsweb.exe">
<input type="hidden" name="utag" value="">
<input type=hidden name="cmd" value="post">
<input type=hidden name="group" value="alt.comp.blind-users">
<input type=hidden name="ref" value="">
<table width="600" cellpadding=10>
<tr>
<td align="left" bgcolor="#C0C0C0">
Newsgroup: alt.comp.blind-users<br>
Your Name: <input name="from_name" value="" size=20 > (Give Name, e.g.
Fred Bloggs)<br>
Your EMail: <input name="from" value="" size=20 > (Give EMail address,
e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED])<br>
Subject <input name="subject" size=50 value=""> (Required)<br>
Attach <input type=file name="attach" value="" size=24"> (Requires
Netscape 3.x)<br>
Please enter your message text here: (press enter at the end of each
line)<br>
<textarea name="message" cols=65 rows=8>
</textarea> <br>
<input type=submit name="action" value="Post" >
</td></tr></table>
</form>
With some work no doubt you can reformat and fix up so you can have a
posting form for any newsgroup that you can send to Agora or www4mail.
I didn't bother trying to do it and leave it as exercise for you readers.
Good luck and have fun!
--
Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:23:46 +0300
From: alx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fidonet test
My message to Daved Kramer was also returned, because "Cannot send message
within 5 days"
My other message to FIDOnet (not for David Kramer) was sent successfully
(but I haven't received the answer yet).
Alexander Chernov
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